[travolta]

I never went to Indigo. Here's where I went, and my thoughts on the venues.

-Arena (Decadence) - Lots of hot girls but mostly sponsor girls and prostitutes. Pretty poor English levels there and lots of older girls dressed like whores (not that whorish looking girls are a bad thing).
-Sorry Babushka - I mentioned this in a previous post. It was usually pretty bad. Once on a Friday it was decent, a good amount of hot girls. Girls were there in groups and consistently rejecting guys. English levels were low. Except for that one time it was pretty bad, but I wouldn't call it "good" that time.
-Forsage - I only went once, and conveniently it was the week after graduation. It had potential, but lots of average looking girls. I went by myself which definitely didn't help. It was a solid 20 minutes from where I stayed in Maidan, so it wasn't worth the trip out there. I'm sure it's great during the college semester though.
-Shooters - Seems like a very hit or miss place. Lots of prostitutes and older girls (late 20's/30's crowd). I got an SNL there but the girl was 28 years old and a 6. It was my first lay in Kiev so I it wasn't too bad, but I wouldn't go back for more girls like her.
-Buddha Bar/Mafia - I only went on a Thursday, but both places were complete ghost towns. They seemed exceptionally dead even for a Thursday, like literally 0 people in both venues. This is probably because of how close they are to Maidan and because of the shady protesters who are still occupying the square.

Overall nightlife in Kiev just seemed a bit weak, but I'm sure I was just hitting the wrong venues. I didn't do enough day game, but Kreshchatik is still good if you lurk around McDonnalds and wait for opportunities over there. Also the parks in the city center have potential. I found that girls in the day time were generally friendly and willing to have at least a short chat with me. Online game is pretty strong in Kiev.

[dontuan]

I was in shooters last night and it kind of sucked. Girl's didn't even look that good. The worse was the crappy house/dance music where everyone dances on their own. No one grinding or partner dancing. It seems like the name of the game is to chat them up and buy them drinks and meals, rather than vibing with the girls like in normal clubs. Girls don't even drink much there.

It's Thursday night! I need to be told where to go, help me out!!

(07-24-2014 01:36 PM)travolta Wrote:  

I never went to Indigo. Here's where I went, and my thoughts on the venues.

-Arena (Decadence) - Lots of hot girls but mostly sponsor girls and prostitutes. Pretty poor English levels there and lots of older girls dressed like whores (not that whorish looking girls are a bad thing).
-Sorry Babushka - I mentioned this in a previous post. It was usually pretty bad. Once on a Friday it was decent, a good amount of hot girls. Girls were there in groups and consistently rejecting guys. English levels were low. Except for that one time it was pretty bad, but I wouldn't call it "good" that time.
-Forsage - I only went once, and conveniently it was the week after graduation. It had potential, but lots of average looking girls. I went by myself which definitely didn't help. It was a solid 20 minutes from where I stayed in Maidan, so it wasn't worth the trip out there. I'm sure it's great during the college semester though.
-Shooters - Seems like a very hit or miss place. Lots of prostitutes and older girls (late 20's/30's crowd). I got an SNL there but the girl was 28 years old and a 6. It was my first lay in Kiev so I it wasn't too bad, but I wouldn't go back for more girls like her.
-Buddha Bar/Mafia - I only went on a Thursday, but both places were complete ghost towns. They seemed exceptionally dead even for a Thursday, like literally 0 people in both venues. This is probably because of how close they are to Maidan and because of the shady protesters who are still occupying the square.

Overall nightlife in Kiev just seemed a bit weak, but I'm sure I was just hitting the wrong venues. I didn't do enough day game, but Kreshchatik is still good if you lurk around McDonnalds and wait for opportunities over there. Also the parks in the city center have potential. I found that girls in the day time were generally friendly and willing to have at least a short chat with me. Online game is pretty strong in Kiev.

[rishboy77]

(07-24-2014 01:36 PM)travolta Wrote:  

I never went to Indigo. Here's where I went, and my thoughts on the venues.

-Arena (Decadence) - Lots of hot girls but mostly sponsor girls and prostitutes. Pretty poor English levels there and lots of older girls dressed like whores (not that whorish looking girls are a bad thing).
-Sorry Babushka - I mentioned this in a previous post. It was usually pretty bad. Once on a Friday it was decent, a good amount of hot girls. Girls were there in groups and consistently rejecting guys. English levels were low. Except for that one time it was pretty bad, but I wouldn't call it "good" that time.
-Forsage - I only went once, and conveniently it was the week after graduation. It had potential, but lots of average looking girls. I went by myself which definitely didn't help. It was a solid 20 minutes from where I stayed in Maidan, so it wasn't worth the trip out there. I'm sure it's great during the college semester though.
-Shooters - Seems like a very hit or miss place. Lots of prostitutes and older girls (late 20's/30's crowd). I got an SNL there but the girl was 28 years old and a 6. It was my first lay in Kiev so I it wasn't too bad, but I wouldn't go back for more girls like her.
-Buddha Bar/Mafia - I only went on a Thursday, but both places were complete ghost towns. They seemed exceptionally dead even for a Thursday, like literally 0 people in both venues. This is probably because of how close they are to Maidan and because of the shady protesters who are still occupying the square.

Overall nightlife in Kiev just seemed a bit weak, but I'm sure I was just hitting the wrong venues. I didn't do enough day game, but Kreshchatik is still good if you lurk around McDonnalds and wait for opportunities over there. Also the parks in the city center have potential. I found that girls in the day time were generally friendly and willing to have at least a short chat with me. Online game is pretty strong in Kiev.

Thanks for the update... due the Summer and political situation it seems the crowd is definitely limited to Friday and Saturday's. Check out Coyote Ugly but again since it is a big place only the weekends will have some action.
For day game instead of Kreshchatik... try retail sales clerks like in those under ground markets or the parks near the University.

[diego69]

Good update and fits my experience as well.
Was in Forsage in Wednesday and Saxon in Thursday, both students clubs which were not busy. In the later I managed to make out with 18 yo cutie (6), they drink much more in those clubs.
Today I plan to start in Coyote ugly and move from there.

What is missing in Kiev is pubs/bars with connecting environment and not just tables. I tried 2 Irish bars but both had below par talent and many older foreigners.
I manage to pull from Mamba a 6 and shes coming every few days for a bang and asking for some cheap gifts, and also had few dates with 7+8 met via day game, hope to bang but it will take 4-5 dates (if)

[Lucky Luke]

I insist, either something very strange happened to Muzei or Dali Park or you are going to the completely wrong places in Kiev.

[diego69]

(07-26-2014 02:14 PM)Lucky Luke Wrote:  

I insist, either something very strange happened to Muzei or Dali Park or you are going to the completely wrong places in Kiev.

What do you mean?
If you can recommend good places to meet attractive open girls please advise.

[Lucky Luke]

Those two places are, by far, the best in Kiev. They are more high-end than the ones listed here, but there are always hot girls and almost no professionals. From what my Ukrainian friends tell me, there are a couple of places down the beach which are getting cool in Summer, I can try to ask for the names.

Cheers

[diego69]

Thanks Luke, I would be happy to get the names.

[William Windsor]

I finally installed Foursquare. Foursquare for Ukraine rocks! Man, I cannot believe the wealth of information there! Doing a nightlife search in Lviv, Odessa, and Kharkiv, it's showing all the top rated bars and clubs along with pictures. The checkins feature gives you a rough approximation of how busy a venue is, very cool.

[William Windsor]

I remember Kharkiv being somewhat slow in early August of 2011, but this weekend was even slower than that. Akula might be right that the crisis is putting a damper on the nightlife.

Foursquare is useful for finding what places are busy, especially for nights like last night! Last night, went to Arizona club and was kind of dead. Foursquare said there were 5 foursquare users there, well there was a 5 next to the person icon. In reality there were maybe 200 people on the premises. Foursquare said Bolero had 8. We bounced to Bolero and sure enough it was better.

We called it an early night, I was walking home at 3 am. I pulled out foursquare and it said some place near me had "13 users" there. I had never heard of this place, I went and sure enough it was rocking. It was some kind of underground club with no signage. They were having a special party that they do very rarely. There were lots of hipsters. The ratios sucked by Ukrainian standards, still better than the West. Fuck, I was tired and without my wingman, I didn't stay, but I thought it was very cool to see the potential of this app.

Foursquare I think does passive location tracking, for every foursquare person, there might be 40 other non-foursquare people, well at least this was last night in this city. I imagine this number varies widely.

It would be cool if foursquare reported gender ratios, hopefully we'll get that in an update ))

Attached is a pic from the ios version, notice the number next to the person icon. My friend told me his Android version does not show the number of people at a place, and if that's true, it's lame, it's my favorite feature of the app. So if you have ios, check out this app, and use the "trending" search to find the busiest places.

   

[Roosh]

I've been going through it with previous cities I've been, and heavy check-ins seem to be around more mainstream/cheesy places instead of "cool" spots, but it's still a good tool to have, especially before heading out on any night.

[Lika]

(08-10-2014 10:14 AM)William Windsor Wrote:  

I remember Kharkiv being somewhat slow in early August of 2011, but this weekend was even slower than that. Akula might be right that the crisis is putting a damper on the nightlife.

Yes, paradoxically, the clubs that we went to, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday in Kharkiv (Arizona club by the beach, Radmir and Bolero) were some of the best I have seen in Ukraine (with Ibiza in Odessa), in terms of size, music volume level at the bars, logistics, etc. but they had the worse crowd. They were full of old ugly girls (by Ukraine standards...) with high bitch shields and uncouth big thugs.
I know it will be better at the start of the new academic year but still, it was surprising...

[Gentleman]

I'm happy to report that Maidan and Kreschatyk have been cleaned up over the past 2 days. Everything is fine now, all the bums, barricades and tents are gone.

[William Windsor]

Yes, Roosh, I agree with you. After taking a closer look at those reviews and ratings from the tips/checkins, I agree they are sort of mainstream and cheesy. The feature I like most is the real-time info of how many foursquare users are at a particular spot.

Ok for non-iOS users (Android, PC, etc), there is a way see roughly how busy a place is. Go to the foursquare website. If you are on mobile, you have to click "Desktop" at the bottom on the main page, the mobile version of the website doesn't show how many foursquare users are at a particular location in real-time. Then do a search, I recommend doing the "trending" search. This is a nice tool to use right before going out, or helping you decide when and where to bounce.

[Lika]

(08-10-2014 10:14 AM)William Windsor Wrote:  

Attached is a pic from the ios version, notice the number next to the person icon. My friend told me his Android version does not show the number of people at a place

Well, actually I downloaded the app on my iphone as well now and I also don't see the number of persons like in your screen shot above. There is no "trending" feature and if I do a "trending" search, it's not working. Exactly like my android version

[Akula]

(08-10-2014 03:43 PM)Gentleman Wrote:  

I'm happy to report that Maidan and Kreschatyk have been cleaned up over the past 2 days. Everything is fine now, all the bums, barricades and tents are gone.

wow that's great news! But those bums didn't go down without a fight from what I saw and read on Vice News.

They were a serious eyesore to the city, if not overly dangerous.

Maybe this will help out the nightlife situation a bit in the center.

RE Foursquare this is good to know, going to check this out when I return to Kiev.

[William Windsor]

Last night, I went to a bar that had 12 foursquare users "there right now", and based on this, I was expecting hundreds of people. In reality, there were only about 12 people there. So it seems there is some inaccuracy of this stat. I did notice a lot of people coming to take a look and immediately leaving, maybe that was confusing foursquare, or maybe all the bar employees had foursquare active to boost the numbers. I guess one should keep track of which places have a record of being grossly inaccurate.

[William Windsor]

(08-11-2014 12:38 PM)Lika Wrote:  

(08-10-2014 10:14 AM)William Windsor Wrote:  

Attached is a pic from the ios version, notice the number next to the person icon. My friend told me his Android version does not show the number of people at a place

Well, actually I downloaded the app on my iphone as well now and I also don't see the number of persons like in your screen shot above. There is no "trending" feature and if I do a "trending" search, it's not working. Exactly like my android version

I updated my app and having the same issue as you, I guess they removed it.

I found the same information on this site, just keep in mind that it's somewhat inaccurate, sometimes wildly inaccurate.

http://www.4sqmap.com/venues/trending

[rishboy77]

William - any sense the girls are any more desperate then before ? Up to now I'm really not seeing that in reports.
Are you running internet game & how is the quality from that ?
I can't decide if Ukraine it still worth it from the effort/ reward ratio anymore, although some things are cheaper as the apartments I have had before are going at almost 1/2 I paid.

[Lika]

(09-07-2014 04:39 PM)rishboy77 Wrote:  

I can't decide if Ukraine it still worth it from the effort/ reward ratio anymore, although some things are cheaper as the apartments I have had before are going at almost 1/2 I paid.

In Lviv, the apartment prices are actually going up (in dollars) compared to a few months ago. Most must be empty. I think these assholes are trying to compensate the bad economic situation like that. It doesn't make sense

[rishboy77]

The one thing about Ukraine is not meant to make sense. Lol. Whatever you think or believe.... the exact opposite can also found to be true.
I contacted my guy directly after his airB&B prices were high and then he agreed to go lower for a repeat customer. The capitalist sense of entrepreneurship is definitely missing.

[jimukr104]

(09-07-2014 05:37 PM)rishboy77 Wrote:  

The one thing about Ukraine is not meant to make sense. Lol. Whatever you think or believe.... the exact opposite can also found to be true.
I contacted my guy directly after his airB&B prices were high and then he agreed to go lower for a repeat customer. The capitalist sense of entrepreneurship is definitely missing.

One of the reasons Lviv is possibly higher is because many Ukies from the East are moving as far west as possible(LVIV) to escape the war. And I assume nervous tourists are staying there instead of venturing East.

* I know of 2-3 expats that have gone to Lviv to escape Donetsk and Crimea.

[William Windsor]

(09-07-2014 04:39 PM)rishboy77 Wrote:  

William - any sense the girls are any more desperate then before ? Up to now I'm really not seeing that in reports.
Are you running internet game & how is the quality from that ?
I can't decide if Ukraine it still worth it from the effort/ reward ratio anymore, although some things are cheaper as the apartments I have had before are going at almost 1/2 I paid.

It's not clear to me if girls are more desperate now because of the crisis. I feel like it's essentially the same, I mean, it's still not like the Philippines in terms of ease.

I've only been going out at night, no online or day game. And, I can only draw comparisons about Kharkiv, not Kiev. I went out a lot in Kharkiv three years ago around this time of year. The nightlife is perhaps a little less crowded than it was three years ago in early September.

It's possible the crisis has something to do with it being a little less busy. It could be just because there are more venues now, so the nighlife is just more spread out. Maybe the hot places have changed and I haven't discovered them yet. Or perhaps my memory is biased, selective about remembering the better nights of the past.

Another thing is that the ratios seem a little worse. I was talking to a girl from Donetsk on Saturday night, and I was wondering how many dudes in the club were also from Donetsk.

Anyway, I still like Kharkiv very much. Lots of university girls, good nightlife, the ratios are still very good. The city itself is a bit nicer than it was three years ago. There are new cafes, clubs, parks, etc. I'm not saying this city is for everyone, but it is similar to how it was three years ago.

[Akula]

(09-07-2014 05:41 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 05:37 PM)rishboy77 Wrote:  

The one thing about Ukraine is not meant to make sense. Lol. Whatever you think or believe.... the exact opposite can also found to be true.
I contacted my guy directly after his airB&B prices were high and then he agreed to go lower for a repeat customer. The capitalist sense of entrepreneurship is definitely missing.

One of the reasons Lviv is possibly higher is because many Ukies from the East are moving as far west as possible(LVIV) to escape the war. And I assume nervous tourists are staying there instead of venturing East.

* I know of 2-3 expats that have gone to Lviv to escape Donetsk and Crimea.

Yeah that's what I heard from my date last night re Kiev. Prices in Kiev are staying the same if not even going up (!) in some cases due to the flood of 'refugees' from Donetsk and the east. But that's a little different market than the RooshV love tourist / Air BnB market we're in so I still think you can bargain when coming here (I did and it worked - they are charging foreigners more anyway, now just a little less more).

[William Windsor]

(09-08-2014 06:58 AM)Akula Wrote:  

Prices in Kiev are staying the same if not even going up (!) in some cases due to the flood of 'refugees' from Donetsk and the east.

I talked to four sets of girls last night in a night club in Kharkiv (Bolero). Of the four, two sets were from Donetsk, one was from Lugansk, only one from Kharkiv! It's kind of insane how many of these refugees are at this club, refugees seem to prefer high-end nightclubs lol.

btw Jim, both the sets of girls from Donetsk were pro-russian, pro-putin.