[Rotisserie]

(07-07-2014 07:00 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

^^^

Rotisserie:

Wonder where our buddy Ron Popeil or RONCO shake out on the list of brilliant inventors...

She may have beat my idol Ron's rotisserie, but she definitely hasn't surpassed the Solid Flavor Injector, which revolutionized modern cuisine.

[Goldmund]

Would love to bang her from behind and visualize her as a $4.5 billion dollar pile of money.

As I banged away, bills and gold would be flying out of her butt cheeks--the harder I banged, the more and more cash would come spraying out everywhere until the room was filled with money.

And then I would flip her over and bust a huge load all over her billion dollar face.

[Dusty]

She has a deeper voice than most dudes:

Anyone want to rescind their WB?

[The Father]

I'm very, very pleased that the men on this board have so properly prioritized: Yes, it's impressive what she has accomplished at so young an age. Yes, the device itself has many important implications for society and reaffirms that, however many issues this generation faces, the future can be not only bright but fascinating.

But much more importantly than any of that, our guys quickly got to the heart of this woman's relevance to us as men, and to society as whole, with a logic so immutable it can be summed up in just a few simple letters:

WB or WNB??

Therein lies the heart of the matter not just for her, but for all women. After that one question has been answered about a woman (any woman) - WB or WNB? - all else pales to insignificance!

[Basil Ransom]

"Anyone want to rescind their WB?"

Given what's at stake, I WB and am willing to wait until the voice lessons kick in.

Judging by her frame and face, she isn't very androgynous physically speaking. Given that, there's a good chance she could simply train herself to speak in a more feminine manner, as could many other American women. She swallows her voice as well. I'm guessing she grew up in an environment where everyone is asexual, like San Francisco, Portland, engineers, nerdy family, etc.

At her peak, if she had grown up around feminine girls and styled herself appropriately, and did some Brazilian workouts, she'd be an 8 or so. But then she wouldn't have delivered this fantastic technology.

I always say feminist careerism is a sham because most people, men or women, work at jobs at which they are utterly irreplaceable and insignificant in the grand scheme of things, jobs which, if women abandoned them in favor of rearing healthy traditional children, society would be much improved. But there is a small exception for which this may not be true - and women like Holmes are in that small group.

[Rotisserie]

(07-07-2014 07:42 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

Judging by her frame and face, she isn't very androgynous physically speaking. Given that, there's a good chance she could simply train herself to speak in a more feminine manner, as could many other American women. She swallows her voice as well. I'm guessing she grew up in an environment where everyone is asexual, like San Francisco, Portland, engineers, nerdy family, etc.

Agree here. Also judging by what she says in the video, plus the way she dresses (all black), I think she fancies herself a female Steve Jobs.

At her peak, if she had grown up around feminine girls and styled herself appropriately, and did some Brazilian workouts, she'd be an 8 or so. But then she wouldn't have delivered this fantastic technology.

(07-07-2014 07:42 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

I always say feminist careerism is a sham because most people, men or women, work at jobs at which they are utterly irreplaceable (you mean replaceable, right?) and insignificant in the grand scheme of things, jobs which, if women abandoned them in favor of rearing healthy traditional children, society would be much improved. But there is a small exception for which this may not be true - and women like Holmes are in that small group.

I wouldn't go as far as saying it's a sham, but I also believe this example will be interesting to see play out. I think she had an insider's view into this world, a very privileged view that few women (or men) would be able to replicate. She 'shunned' Stanford but was probably educated by the best private schools in Texas, which is a haven for magnet schools.

After fishing around, tell me how many people could replicate her story:

Quote:

When she was young, Elizabeth read a biography of her great-great-grandfather, the first Christian Holmes, who was a decorated World War I veteran, engineer, inventor, and surgeon after whom a hospital at the University of Cincinnati Medical Center is named. When she was 8, her family took a trip there to see a display about him....

...When Elizabeth turned 9, her father took a private sector job with the industrial conglomerate Tenneco. ... But the most striking thing about his 9-year-old’s “Dear Daddy” letter was its first sentence: “What I really want out of life is to discover something new, something mankind didn’t know was possible to do,” she wrote....

...So when Elizabeth was about 9, her parents found them both a tutor to teach them Mandarin on Saturdays. Elizabeth then supplemented those lessons with summer language programs at Stanford and, later, at two universities in Beijing. Captivated by computer programming in high school, she was struck by how the Chinese universities’ information technology facilities lagged behind what she was used to. To rectify that situation, she started her first business while still in high school, selling C++ compilers to Chinese universities.

Imbibing a 9 year old with that entrepreneurial spirit is an amazing thing, something most people don't come across in their lives. Her parents having the means to show her the ropes is an entirely different story. She took FULL advantage of her gifts... but she was certainly gifted.

If you read Outliers, by Malcolm Gladwell, it examines the root of success of a lot of these 'captains of industry,' such as Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. Bill Gates in particular grew up in the era where personal computers did not exist, and computation was carried out through a time consuming process where cards had to be punched... or something. I don't remember the full story. But what it made clear is that Gates had access to a super computer in Seattle which, at the time, was one of the most powerful in the world. As a pubescent teenager, this afforded him way more 'reps' to practice coding compared to pretty much anyone else in the world. He enjoyed a competitive advantage.

This girl probably didn't have THAT crazy of an advantage, and I'm in awe that she's worth $4.5B going the biotech route. But it's misguided to use her, or Gates, or other privileged 'captains of industry' as models of inspiration, because most of them had many fortunate breaks along the way.

TLDR; Basil's right, 99.99% of women would be delusional to ignore their biological clock in favor of an entrepreneurial career.

[Hotwheels]

She's a unicorn.

Unfortunately, she will be held up as someone all girls should emulate, doing a disservice to 99.999999999% of them.

[Neo]

I WNB because the voice.

Props to her, but I don't think she is self-made.

[Quintus Curtius]

(07-07-2014 07:18 PM)Rotisserie Wrote:  

(07-07-2014 07:00 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

^^^

Rotisserie:

Wonder where our buddy Ron Popeil or RONCO shake out on the list of brilliant inventors...

She may have beat my idol Ron's rotisserie, but she definitely hasn't surpassed the Solid Flavor Injector, which revolutionized modern cuisine.

How I do love it so....

[runsonmagic]

We would make smart babies. WB.

[Yatagan]

(07-07-2014 07:28 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

She has a deeper voice than most dudes:

Anyone want to rescind their WB?

That broad's mannerisms are so much like my ex's that it's scary. They both have the same awkward laughs and movements.

[Jukes]

Respect. She made a device for mankind and continue the legacy of her family.

[Feisbook Control]

I think people overstate the concept of privileged backgrounds. A lot of parents don't spend any time with their kids. If they do, it's not focused on anything productive. For sure, there are people with loads of money who can pay for really good educations or resources for their kids, but the reality is that the average family can still produce a kid who is ahead of 95% of kids simply by applying a little effort. That's why Asian kids go to Australia and within a generation they're upper middle class. Every year, the kids with the highest scores at the end of high school are predominantly Asian. Why? Because their parents devote resources to their kids educations and have expectations. Old money WASP families also do this, but it's less and less a prerequisite to be old money WASP to succeed in life. Everyone else, on the other hand, wants to put in zero effort and then later harp on about how lucky or privileged others are/were. A little application, compounded across three generations or more can accomplish huge things.

[The Beast1]

Ahh, the super smart girl. I've been blessed to know some women like her in my own life. Excellent for her and still WB, wine & dine her with a voice like that.

In MBTI parlance, they're the mystical INTJ women. A very rare creature.

[SpiderKing]

(07-07-2014 07:28 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

She has a deeper voice than most dudes:

Anyone want to rescind their WB?

voice isnt a problem if shes got my cock in her mouth

[Basil Ransom]

"I think people overstate the concept of privileged backgrounds. "

Some like to minimize the accomplishments of others, perhaps to palliate their own lack of accomplishment. They don't fool anyone, not even themselves.

You can draw inspiration from the smallest of accomplishments, and you can demean man's greatest feats - it's your choice as to which kind of person you want to be. Do you want to learn or do you want to hate?

[Bad Hussar]

Thanks for the link Basil R. Some time back I was thinking that there was not a single self-made female billionaire in the world. The closest would have been Oprah who I didn't regard as completely self-made for reasons I won't go into. And people like Sandberg and the Yahoo CEO (And to be fair Eric Shultz as well)who either are or may at some point become billionaires due to their stock options I didn't regard as self-made either because they get their value by managing existing companies and royally screwing the shareholders of those companies.

Anyway, this woman seems like the real deal. will have to read up a bit more about her.

[kosko]

That voice is terrible. I cringe to what she sounds like when she is moaning in the sack, it sounds like she is making it project out lower then needed though.

[heavy]

Besides her good body, she has big eyes...always a characteristic of femininity. After symmetry, that may be the best facial trait a woman can have.

She seems down to earth, so I have a feeling she'd be a freak once you got her going...as long as she doesn't talk.

[Rotisserie]

(07-08-2014 10:06 AM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

"I think people overstate the concept of privileged backgrounds. "

Some like to minimize the accomplishments of others, perhaps to palliate their own lack of accomplishment. They don't fool anyone, not even themselves.

You can draw inspiration from the smallest of accomplishments, and you can demean man's greatest feats - it's your choice as to which kind of person you want to be. Do you want to learn or do you want to hate?

Hating is much more fun.

More seriously, no one here is denying she went from, perhaps, upper middle class to full-fledged billionaire. In biotech, no less, which is an extremely risky and cutthroat area to get into. She deserves mad props and no one here is hating.

I like knowing the full story of how these people come about. The truth is, it's a story I wish I could have emulated, but never had the means to do so. In that case, it does 'palliate my own accomplishments.'

I don't think we're doomed to the environment we're born in, especially so in the US. But there are too many examples of environment (in other words, 'privilege' or 'luck') playing a role, from current billionaire individuals to the Spanish conquest of the Incas, to just brush the concept under the rug.

Also, never discount the impact financial security has on someone's risk-taking. She 'started from the bottom' about as much as Drake did.

[Dusty]

The pic in the op looks good, but after viewing the video I need to knock her down a notch. 6/10. Still fuckable but nothing to get too excited about.

I do want her money though.

[monster]

If you go to top prep schools there's quite a few girls like her: cute, introverted/awkward, very smart. But that doesn't mean shit. The ones I knew at my boarding school all lost their virginity to the captains of the lacrosse and football teams in some seriously slutty situations.

[WalterBlack]

(07-08-2014 05:35 AM)Feisbook Control Wrote:  

I think people overstate the concept of privileged backgrounds. A lot of parents don't spend any time with their kids. If they do, it's not focused on anything productive. For sure, there are people with loads of money who can pay for really good educations or resources for their kids, but the reality is that the average family can still produce a kid who is ahead of 95% of kids simply by applying a little effort. That's why Asian kids go to Australia and within a generation they're upper middle class. Every year, the kids with the highest scores at the end of high school are predominantly Asian. Why? Because their parents devote resources to their kids educations and have expectations. Old money WASP families also do this, but it's less and less a prerequisite to be old money WASP to succeed in life. Everyone else, on the other hand, wants to put in zero effort and then later harp on about how lucky or privileged others are/were. A little application, compounded across three generations or more can accomplish huge things.

I agree. A few examples:

Bangladeshis who grew up in housing projects in London, with parents who can’t even read or write, managed to get into investment banking in London. They lived walked distance from the banks and managed to get unpaid internships. They got hired full time and now work there permanently. That’s not the average though, most of them are doing pretty badly.

A guy (of Indian origin) who moved from Fiji to the US in the 1960s of Indian origin. He worked in a factory on the production line, and used his earnings to buy real estate. He’s worth millions of dollars now and he can barely read or write. He told me the most he ever made at the factory was $32,000 a year. He said a lot of his co-workers would get paid on Friday, go out and Friday and Saturday and blow most of their money. This guy saved like a motherfucker, and put it this way, neither he nor his kids will ever go hungry.

I know with most Indian families there’s 3 options that most parents will have their kids when they’re old enough to work: go for further study, start earning money, or get the fuck out the house. Unless you’re physically ill, no other options allowed.

I know people make fun of Indian cab drivers, motel owners, 7-11 etc. but those guys are not dumb. They’re making more money than most people and their kids are all going on to become doctors, lawyers etc. A lot of them are millionaires.

I think privileged backgrounds DO come in handy for networking. If you’re dad’s friends are all C-level executives at big firms, then you’re more likely to have people consider you for a role than if you don’t have any connections in that world.

[Genghis Khan]

(07-08-2014 02:08 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 05:35 AM)Feisbook Control Wrote:  

I think people overstate the concept of privileged backgrounds. A lot of parents don't spend any time with their kids. If they do, it's not focused on anything productive. For sure, there are people with loads of money who can pay for really good educations or resources for their kids, but the reality is that the average family can still produce a kid who is ahead of 95% of kids simply by applying a little effort. That's why Asian kids go to Australia and within a generation they're upper middle class. Every year, the kids with the highest scores at the end of high school are predominantly Asian. Why? Because their parents devote resources to their kids educations and have expectations. Old money WASP families also do this, but it's less and less a prerequisite to be old money WASP to succeed in life. Everyone else, on the other hand, wants to put in zero effort and then later harp on about how lucky or privileged others are/were. A little application, compounded across three generations or more can accomplish huge things.

I agree. A few examples:

Bangladeshis who grew up in housing projects in London, with parents who can’t even read or write, managed to get into investment banking in London. They lived walked distance from the banks and managed to get unpaid internships. They got hired full time and now work there permanently. That’s not the average though, most of them are doing pretty badly.

A guy (of Indian origin) who moved from Fiji to the US in the 1960s of Indian origin. He worked in a factory on the production line, and used his earnings to buy real estate. He’s worth millions of dollars now and he can barely read or write. He told me the most he ever made at the factory was $32,000 a year. He said a lot of his co-workers would get paid on Friday, go out and Friday and Saturday and blow most of their money. This guy saved like a motherfucker, and put it this way, neither he nor his kids will ever go hungry.

I know with most Indian families there’s 3 options that most parents will have their kids when they’re old enough to work: go for further study, start earning money, or get the fuck out the house. Unless you’re physically ill, no other options allowed.

I know people make fun of Indian cab drivers, motel owners, 7-11 etc. but those guys are not dumb. They’re making more money than most people and their kids are all going on to become doctors, lawyers etc. A lot of them are millionaires.

I think privileged backgrounds DO come in handy for networking. If you’re dad’s friends are all C-level executives at big firms, then you’re more likely to have people consider you for a role than if you don’t have any connections in that world.

I'll disagree here. Don't get me wrong, I do think people that are very much unprivileged can succeed in life and do well. However the difference is that those people might get into the top 1-2% (immigrant kids becoming doctors, engineers, bankers, etc). But to pull of something like this (becoming the top 0.01% of whatever), privilege is almost required.

Agreed that privilege is not a guarantee. Neither is having poor immigrant parents who emphasize education. The latter increases the probability you will do well in life. The former increases the probability you will do extremely well in life.

To simplify: I'm sure most of the guys here have met people who came from nothing and have done well in life. For example, the Bangladeshi, Indian, Chinese immigrant kids (who are poor). How many of them actually quit college and decided to start a company like this? In my personal experience, I've never met a person like that (and I know tons of underprivileged immigrant kids). The culture they have is focused on education, to do better than their parents. Their parents would kill them if they even considered dropping out of med school.

On the other hand, very privileged people have family support to quit college if need be or at least take a break. And that's huge. Not trying to hate on Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg or this lady. But just pointing out the psychological barriers and support systems that exist.

To emphasize, we all hate on IRTs on this forum. Yet if you look around in the US there are tons of Indian-American doctors etc. They were successful despite their background. But they would never be able to drop college like that because of their background. The few Indian-American entrepreneurs I know of have wealthy parents to begin with.

To summarize: I see both sides of the argument. I don't think we can deny the power privilege can play in helping Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, etc. That doesn't mean we can't learn from them. A good quality education and family can establish some fantastic habits and mindsets from an early age. We should aim to learn those habits and mindsets. But make no mistake, most of us if placed in their shoes (and with our backgrounds rather than theirs) would not be able to accomplish what they did.

So I'll give props to this lady, but I'll always remember that in reality she would not be able to accomplish what she did if not for her background. She still might've been successful in other ways (doctor, small business, whatever), but not to this extend.

[Genghis Khan]

To emphasize my last post, from the WSJ:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10...3869574012

Quote:

She first funded Theranos at age 19 by cashing out an education trust that her parents set up, which allowed her to hire her first employee and rent lab space.

Like I stated, mad props for doing what she did. But you can't convince me that a genius (but impoverished) kid could have done the same.

For argument sake, Stanford tuition + board costs approx. $60k per year according to Stanford' website:
http://financialaid.stanford.edu/undergrad/budget/

She started the company when she was 19, so let's say she completed her freshman year and then quit. Meaning she would have $180k+ in her trust to get a lab set up and hire an employee.