[RexImperator]

You're wrong though. Even in your simple approach description I found some helpful things which tell me I'm on the right track.

[Nomad77]

Ok, glad to be of help.

Cute, tall, American girl walks into Starbucks with her mom. They are sitting at a table drinking their drinks. She is young, under 20. I could open both her and the mother but I don't feel comfortable doing that in America because of her age. If she was alone or with a friend, it wouldn't be a problem. Approaching girls with their mothers take a lot of guts. I am rarely able to pull the trigger in these situations.

[Nomad77]

It is important to understand, I am not in Starbucks to pickup girls. I am here waiting for someone for a business meeting. I rarely go out to pickup girls. I do it as part of my other regular activities.

[Nomad77]

For the love of god. Another hot milf just walked in with two little kids. She's the hottest girl I have seen all day. She's ordering drinks. Well, I just had a conversation with the blonde behind the counter as she was leaving on her break. She's cute but still I am not feeling any attraction from her. A lot of time I want to believe that my game is good enough to overcome a girl's lack of attraction, that I can create that attraction. And every single time, I was wrong and just wasted a lot of time. It takes just as much discipline to walk away from as it takes to walk up to a girl.

A big part of been good at anything is discipline. Having the discipline to act consistently is more important than the actually skill level of your game.

[el mechanico]

Nomad, I think you may have unreasonable expectations and lack experience picking targets. Most hot girls with little kids have a dad.

[Nomad77]

Yes, I do have high standards when it comes to girls. Hey, I am always learning myself. I don't consider myself an expert at game by any measure. soup wanted to know what a day in my life was like so I am just basically describing it. What do you mean have a dad?

[Nomad77]

Russian facebook girl.

[Moma]

Nomad, I think some of the terminology you use to describe what you want in women is unclear and this may be why at times you may come across as confusing.

You said you want multiple relationships. Basically, you want to bang lots of women you get along with..maybe develop a harem. Changing the terminology won't change what it wants.

I recently met a lizard with a colossal ass. We had drinks. She told me blatantly that she thought my accent was very sexy and why am I single. Then after she downed her second drink, she said she needs to tell me something. I was a tad concerned but I kept my stiff upper lip. She said that she likes to bring in other women into the relationship and would this be a problem for me. I looked around for hidden cameras (surely this was a trick) and said "Of course not".

My point in this is, most men want you want. The whole complaint really is, that you are having to put in more work than you want. If you talk about intent and connections etc..is this a monogamous intent? I've had convos with mechanic and here, the odds are in my favour. Most of the lizards here are vapid and one I hit the other day had her galaxy pressed into her face texting all up until I pulled her pierced tits out to stuff in my face.
Do I care? No, once I nutt, I don't desire them for replenishing convo. That's what my international friends and enlightened American friends are for.
So, I don't care if she is flaky cos I'm not looking for a maturing type of LTR.
If you are looking for a harem, do you want to develop of these lizards into your wives?

[Nomad77]

I don't want a harem. I don't want to have sex with a bunch of different girls. I would be perfectly happy with one high quality girl. Everything else is optional. For me, it's all about the quality of the time I spend with a woman. I want my time I spent with a woman to bring me pleasure on both a mental and physical level. Everything I do is about finding these quality women and filtering out the crazy ones and I prefer to have sex within the context of a relationship.

[el mechanico]

What is it you do that a woman in Florida would like to spend quality time with you?

What do you think they want?

[NFallin]

Great thread nomad, this stuff is helpful. Often times I didn't know if I should keep pursuing if I wasn't getting the reactions or signals I wanted. You can get led on for a while especially in a bar environment, and it's not always easy to distinguish between just validation and actual genuine interest from girls. This encourages one to be ruthless and pragmatic in their judgements. I've always been good at reading, although I'm still very much in development, and this is encouraging stuff. It's like a strategy to go about your day but silently hold up a player flag and vibe wandering about your business and see who's receptive to it. Judge everything.

[horn]

(06-30-2014 04:12 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

I don't know that the game itself is all that different, however with experience one notices the tells that one overlooks when still learning.

Most older guys won't chase everything out there, but rather go for those that display the signs showing they are open as getting every last notch is not the important thing any longer.

I prefer a connection to just banging random girls for the most part. That doesn't mean I never go for the layup, but I don't put as much effort into a girl that I know isn't the type I am looking for other than her appearance.

Hotwheels you said it 100% perfectly imho.

Plus, the sex when you have a connection is really a lot better.

[ManAbout]

Nomad, question about eye contact, is it a prerequisite or a bonus for your day game approaches?

[Moma]

(06-30-2014 06:38 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

I don't want a harem. I don't want to have sex with a bunch of different girls. I would be perfectly happy with one high quality girl. Everything else is optional. For me, it's all about the quality of the time I spend with a woman. I want my time I spent with a woman to bring me pleasure on both a mental and physical level. Everything I do is about finding these quality women and filtering out the crazy ones and I prefer to have sex within the context of a relationship.

Nomad, I have said before that you have to be honest about what you want to yourself. You said you want multiple relationships and now you say you want one quality girl.

I want hoodrats. That means I have to accept drama, tattoos and varying emotional turmoil.

But I'm being honest about what I want.

You can't dilly dally about what you want and then blame American girls for what you don't know you want.

Is it one girl or is it 'multiple relationships'?

[Byron]

(06-30-2014 04:26 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

This girl just walked into the Starbucks and ordered some drinks. She then came over by my area to collect them. She meets my two requirements for approaching a girl:

1. I find her attractive on some minimal level.
2. She is in a situation that permits an approach.

That girl's picture:

[reaper23]

(06-30-2014 04:31 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

@Heavy Exactly. A girl once asked me what I wanted from her? I told her: I want a piece of your heart and I want it forever.

interesting.

i recently told a friend that i'm not after sex, i'm after their souls

and when i fuck them, i want to ruin every memory they ever had and ruin any future fuck they may have.

being with me will be the highlight of their life and if they can avoid denying it to themselves over time, i will always be the one that got away.

[reaper23]

(06-30-2014 05:09 PM)Chapped3rdEye Wrote:  

(06-30-2014 04:26 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

She ask me if I live around here. I told her I am thinking about it. I actually own a house close to her but I am renting it out. I can't tell her that. It would demonstrate too much value.

I don't understand. Are you trying to make sure that she's into you without that information?

i'm discovering that i display too much value a times. i'm 38. i've definitely scared off some 25 year olds by being too mature, too established, too experienced.

one told me, "you are very much a man and i am barely a woman, in fact i was a girl just a few years ago"

i can't figure out how to turn that down though

[Nomad77]

(06-30-2014 06:55 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

What is it you do that a woman in Florida would like to spend quality time with you?

What do you think they want?

Everyone, men and women, ultimately want the same thing: to be with someone that makes them feel good about themselves. They want to feel desired and they want to feel passion. When I truly want a woman. I can make her feel all three.

[Nomad77]

(06-30-2014 07:34 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

Nomad, question about eye contact, is it a prerequisite or a bonus for your day game approaches?

No, I do not require eye contact or anything else to approach a girl. Usually the girl won't even know you exist. You have to approach for her to know that. Now, once I do that and we are having a conversation eye contact becomes very important. If she is not looking at me then it means her attraction level for me is low and I will eject politely.

[Nomad77]

(06-30-2014 07:44 PM)Moma Wrote:  

Nomad, I have said before that you have to be honest about what you want to yourself. You said you want multiple relationships and now you say you want one quality girl.

I want hoodrats. That means I have to accept drama, tattoos and varying emotional turmoil.

But I'm being honest about what I want.

You can't dilly dally about what you want and then blame American girls for what you don't know you want.

Is it one girl or is it 'multiple relationships'?

The goal is always one good girl. Multiple girls is optional depending on the cost vs benefits.

[Nomad77]

(06-30-2014 09:15 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  

(06-30-2014 05:09 PM)Chapped3rdEye Wrote:  

(06-30-2014 04:26 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

She ask me if I live around here. I told her I am thinking about it. I actually own a house close to her but I am renting it out. I can't tell her that. It would demonstrate too much value.

I don't understand. Are you trying to make sure that she's into you without that information?

i'm discovering that i display too much value a times. i'm 38. i've definitely scared off some 25 year olds by being too mature, too established, too experienced.

one told me, "you are very much a man and i am barely a woman, in fact i was a girl just a few years ago"

i can't figure out how to turn that down though

It's simple: don't provide her with the information that demonstrate the value. Let her talk about herself and just don't say much about yourself or when you do be vague.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(06-30-2014 03:45 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Ok, but all of those things are a product of my experience. I don't think about them. You can only get to that point by going out there and doing the work. You won't learn how and when to apply them by reading about it. You will only learn from your own experiences. It's like learning tennis. It doesn't matter how much tennis you watch or read about. Your game will only be as good as the amount of time you put into practicing and actually playing the game. As the saying goes: I can walk the road with you BUT I cannot walk the road for you

Yes - but unconscious competence can be derived from concscious competence in the beginning. You have internalized a lot.

Heck - I know unconscious Naturals who have learned a lot from Game, since they could expand their repertoire tremendously and finally understand what they were doing.

And your post is helpful and highly worthwhile.

Alas - only for those who are at least somewhat closer to your level and can relate more easily.

[Nomad77]

@Zelcorpion Thank you. I do understand I am outlier on here and that many of my opinions run counter to the current mainstream beliefs of men but in the end it does not matter what I or you believe. It matters whether we are truly happy or not and if a chosen path is not making you happy then you only have one option - pick another one.

[Moma]

(06-30-2014 06:38 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

I don't want a harem. I don't want to have sex with a bunch of different girls. I would be perfectly happy with one high quality girl. Everything else is optional. For me, it's all about the quality of the time I spend with a woman. I want my time I spent with a woman to bring me pleasure on both a mental and physical level. Everything I do is about finding these quality women and filtering out the crazy ones and I prefer to have sex within the context of a relationship.

So basically you are having problems finding one good girl.

[el mechanico]

^ that should've been the title of this thread. Nomad always with the smoke and mirrors