[soup]

(06-30-2014 05:08 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Anyone can go on the Internet and write a bunch of stuff about anything, make any kind of claims, basically say anything. It means nothing. If you are what and who you say you are then you won't have a problem meeting people and showing them what you know. I have no respect for keyboard jocks - sorry. My respect is reserved for the guys that go out there and show other guys what they know in the real world. Or, as I like to tell girls: don't tell me how much you love me, show me

Are you calling me a "keyboard Jock" or a fake?

Why can't you just say that instead of writing this girly beat-around-the-bush?

And why the hell would you want to meet up with me if that's what you think about me.

I don't throw the word sketchy around lightly, but it seems to fit your actions here.

[Tengen]

If nothing else I'm impressed with how he can keep a straight face.

[Goldmund]

I can personally vouch for soup: the man walks the walk.

[Moma]

(06-30-2014 09:09 AM)Goldmund Wrote:  

I can personally vouch for soup: the man walks the walk.

Here is my vouch:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-37667-...#pid768192

[reaper23]

Intention is the key to life.

It is also a concept that is extremely difficult to put into practice and if you have limited to no experience with it, understanding it on a message board is even more difficult.

after a while, technical elements of game are just learned and rote. these higher level concepts are about being a great man.

rather than bash, why not just ask some more questions to gain a deeper understanding?

intention drives everything in my life. i have to be focused and deliberate on my goals, wants, needs, anything, in order to have the best outcome.

Intention is another way of describing frame and state.

Countless numbers of the hoards simply bounce around in their lives reacting to things rather than being the driving force. and that force starts with intention.

For me, at least, intention, being in the moment, being present - these are all elements of my game that has taken me to the next level. and there are valued board members here who can vouch.

[soup]

Also, I'm not asking Nomad to prove that he's real or not. I'm curious to read a breakdown of his game that isn't just hi-concept stuff.

[kaotic]

[Bill]

The thread can be saved by Lizard of Oz and Qintus and Sam. They can tell us the difference between motivation and intention.

[Nomad77]

As this one blogger puts it: The key to achieving anything is wanting it bad enough.

http://www.mavericktraveler.com/key-achi...raveler%29

[Menace]

Another thing about game: you don't have to want the same things as other men want (I don't mean the types of girls here). There is always a certain kind of subtle peer pressure here that if you're not racking up huge bang numbers then your game needs work. Not necessarily. For example, I am not willing to put in the type of work it would require to get soup's numbers. I just don't care enough. I don't want it. I'm happier with a far lower volume because girls eat up the one irreplaceable commodity: time.

To the point of this thread: it is vital that you have a crystal clear end-goal in mind. When I have done this, I have had great success (bang). When I am ambivalent or think "oh I'm just out to have fun" I won't even get a number. Failure to plan is planning to fail.

Next time I'm in Miami, I'll look for Nomad77 instead of gmanifesto. Great success!

[heavy]

Good thoughts in this thread...

(06-30-2014 02:15 PM)Menace Wrote:  

To the point of this thread: it is vital that you have a crystal clear end-goal in mind. When I have done this, I have had great success (bang). When I am ambivalent or think "oh I'm just out to have fun" I won't even get a number. Failure to plan is planning to fail.

I thought this quote fit here (and yes I'm reading the 4HWW and am finding some really great quotes):
There's no difference between a pessimist who says, "Oh it's hopeless, so don't bother doing anything." and an optimist who says, "Don't bother doing anything, it's going to turn out fine anyways. Either way, nothing happens.

[Fortis]

Awesome thread. I do agree. Usually i'm more "go with the flow" but I've noticed that when I wanna do something, i tend to go in that direction more. Especially if I write it down and push for it.

[Mage]

I support Nomad on this discussion, his points are fine and subtle, internalized and sophisticated. Soup is a very external guy who doesn't get these things. I have also had discussions with soup, mainly about spirituality and he just won't get it. I see the same going on here with him and Nomad. Sort of like Nomad's avatar, these guys are like Yin and Yang and think differently. Soup should understand that while his brute no invisible theoretical bullshit attitude is effective, he shouldn't hate on guys who who have more internal and mysterious methods that are just as effective or even more effective for them, just because soup cannot understand them.

The extravert way is to game the world the introvert way is to game yourself into gaming the world. The introvert believes that his way is one control level above, while an extravert believes that the introvert way has one redundant control cogwheel.

[MongolianAbroad]

Nomad, I appreciate your posts, they show wisdom. Many could be described as being on the subject of "metagame." The concept can be applied to any kind of game.

Metagaming

"Metagaming is any strategy, action or method used in a game which transcends a prescribed ruleset, uses external factors to affect the game, or goes beyond the supposed limits or environment set by the game. Another definition refers to the game universe outside of the game itself."

I think the definition above provides some insight into some of your deeper posts. You also post some more technical posts which are lighter on theory, and many in between. All of them are enjoyable, thought-provoking reads.

In any case, thanks for posting, and also, thanks for being level-headed enough not to allow your threads/posts to devolve/be hijacked into a flame war.

Good stuff.

+ 1 from me.

[Nomad77]

Thank you for your support guys. It is deeply appreciated. I am amazed that there are some people on here who seem to understand me better than I understand myself.

[Fortis]

I mean, you are a pretty solid writer, so you're easy to comprehend. Intention is a concept that I think transcends game. Animals can sense intention, that's why they're usually the ones who can sense danger in a person before they ever truly do anything dangerous. That's also why they're usually pretty OK with normal children who aren't hellspawn.

[Rotisserie]

(06-30-2014 03:58 AM)soup Wrote:  

We've talked about intention on here a lot.

You might want to do a search before you start threads.

(06-30-2014 04:00 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

"Don’t argue with idiots. They’ll drag you down to their level then beat you with experience."

I wonder what Soup and Nomad77's Myers Briggs are. I see two very different strategies when it comes to game from each. I align more with Nomad when it comes to analysis and temperament, but I wouldn't have thrown down with Soup after a gentle jab like that.

I think Soup, like McQueen, is a doer. I wish I were more like that. Kinda like my dad... see a situation, examine all the details, and just go and fucking do it. Experience is the best teacher. I respect the fuck out of guys that can jump in to situations without knowing the best outcome, but especially game.

But I'm more like Nomad. I like to examine a situation before diving in head first. Nothing bothers me more than taking the plunge without knowing what's the best possible way to execute. My innate desire is to automate anything which would need to be done repetitively.

I can see how Soup might see Nomad's posts and threads as mental masturbation. But I see the value in both... yea, intention is important, so plan effectively. Then go out and do it, even if your strategy is incomplete.

[General Stalin]

Not to derail, but fuck Myers Briggs. If I see on more annoying hipster pseudo-intellectual college bitch OKC profile with the same token idiosyncrasies and stupid Myers Briggs "type" my brain is going to turn to pudding. "I'm an INFJ which is the rarest type" yeah you and every other self-absorbed cunt who lists their MBTI. Why is this a thing all of the sudden?

[MongolianAbroad]

(07-02-2014 10:52 AM)Rotisserie Wrote:  

(06-30-2014 03:58 AM)soup Wrote:  

We've talked about intention on here a lot.

You might want to do a search before you start threads.

(06-30-2014 04:00 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

"Don’t argue with idiots. They’ll drag you down to their level then beat you with experience."

I wonder what Soup and Nomad77's Myers Briggs are. I see two very different strategies when it comes to game from each. I align more with Nomad when it comes to analysis and temperament, but I wouldn't have thrown down with Soup after a gentle jab like that.

Ok, real quick, you're quoting COMPLETELY out of context. Soup hadn't send a "gentle jab" at Nomad, man. Nomad's "Don't argue with idiots" quote came after this barrage from Soup:

(06-30-2014 03:54 AM)soup Wrote:  

Nomad you are trolling

(06-30-2014 03:54 AM)soup Wrote:  

If you are saying things like "my thread" then it might be better for you to start your own blog.

Also, I'm pretty sure that Roosh doesn't appreciate your not so subtle psychoanalytic trolling.

Are you his therapist?

Man, every time I read your threads now, the image of Eliot Rodgers pops into my mind.

Those are four direct insults, not a "gentle jab." If anything, Nomad kept his cool and refused to be goaded further and further.

Soup directly:

1. Called Nomad a troll.
2. Told him to start his own blog (the implication being, stop posting these threads here).
3. Called him a psychoanalytic troll.
4. Called him Elliot Rodger-esque (he specifically said he wasn't calling him Elliot Rodgers, but simply that Nomad's posts "evoke an image of Elliot Rodgers" in Soup's mind). He basically said Nomad's posts evoke images of a mentally disturbed killer in his mind.

To those, you can add the not as directly hater-ish comments preceding those, in which he harangued Nomad about:

1. Why he posted the thread in the first place.
2. Why Nomad doesn't post more often about things Soup thinks he should post about.

Both the above points were troll-ish, as they had little to do with the actual subject of the thread.

The not so direct comments regarding the subject of the thread were an attempt to either derail the thread to Soup's topics, or, more likely, to provoke a meltdown by Nomad. When Nomad didn't bite, Soup switched to more direct insults, and Nomad refused to engage in a flame war, tempering his responses.

It's all good, Soup obviously has a lot to contribute to the forum, but his actions on that thread were anything but a contribution.

After reading the thread, I'd say an apology's owed.

BUT

Even better, Soup can just drop the "mini-vendetta," lol, we're all men here, no one's going to hold a grudge (I'll be the first to admit I'm a complete jackass at times too, lol), and Nomad's taking it in stride anyhow, so really, it's more like, "moving on," lol.

But, yeah.

A "gentle jab" did NOT provoke that response, calling Nomad a trolling writer of posts that evoke a mentally disturbed killer, who should "start his own blog" provoked that response.

[kaotic]

Nomad did you ever speak to Mental on here ? You remind me of him, he was one of the first ones to reach out to me on my first advice needed post. He talk about the scenario I was having trouble with, but transcended it into life values and views.

[Nomad77]

I understand my mentally and approach to women and game challenges some fundamental beliefs of some people on here and as such there are going to create some level of discomfort, more in others. I am not saying I am right what I am saying is that if you are not happy with your life you may want to consider what I am saying. We are all different with different life experiences that has shaped who and what we are today. We also want different things from life. My message will appeal to some and not appeal to others and I know this and for me this is ok. What no one can accuse me of is criticizing anyone else on here or not living the message I preach. I am a big believer in walking your talk. And I thank everyone that has supported me. It means more to me than five HB bangs

[Fortis]

(07-02-2014 11:55 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 10:52 AM)Rotisserie Wrote:  

(06-30-2014 03:58 AM)soup Wrote:  

We've talked about intention on here a lot.

You might want to do a search before you start threads.

(06-30-2014 04:00 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

"Don’t argue with idiots. They’ll drag you down to their level then beat you with experience."

I wonder what Soup and Nomad77's Myers Briggs are. I see two very different strategies when it comes to game from each. I align more with Nomad when it comes to analysis and temperament, but I wouldn't have thrown down with Soup after a gentle jab like that.

Ok, real quick, you're quoting COMPLETELY out of context. Soup hadn't send a "gentle jab" at Nomad, man. Nomad's "Don't argue with idiots" quote came after this barrage from Soup:

(06-30-2014 03:54 AM)soup Wrote:  

Nomad you are trolling

(06-30-2014 03:54 AM)soup Wrote:  

If you are saying things like "my thread" then it might be better for you to start your own blog.

Also, I'm pretty sure that Roosh doesn't appreciate your not so subtle psychoanalytic trolling.

Are you his therapist?

Man, every time I read your threads now, the image of Eliot Rodgers pops into my mind.

Those are four direct insults, not a "gentle jab." If anything, Nomad kept his cool and refused to be goaded further and further.

Soup directly:

1. Called Nomad a troll.
2. Told him to start his own blog (the implication being, stop posting these threads here).
3. Called him a psychoanalytic troll.
4. Called him Elliot Rodger-esque (he specifically said he wasn't calling him Elliot Rodgers, but simply that Nomad's posts "evoke an image of Elliot Rodgers" in Soup's mind). He basically said Nomad's posts evoke images of a mentally disturbed killer in his mind.

To those, you can add the not as directly hater-ish comments preceding those, in which he harangued Nomad about:

1. Why he posted the thread in the first place.
2. Why Nomad doesn't post more often about things Soup thinks he should post about.

Both the above points were troll-ish, as they had little to do with the actual subject of the thread.

The not so direct comments regarding the subject of the thread were an attempt to either derail the thread to Soup's topics, or, more likely, to provoke a meltdown by Nomad. When Nomad didn't bite, Soup switched to more direct insults, and Nomad refused to engage in a flame war, tempering his responses.

It's all good, Soup obviously has a lot to contribute to the forum, but his actions on that thread were anything but a contribution.

After reading the thread, I'd say an apology's owed.

BUT

Even better, Soup can just drop the "mini-vendetta," lol, we're all men here, no one's going to hold a grudge (I'll be the first to admit I'm a complete jackass at times too, lol), and Nomad's taking it in stride anyhow, so really, it's more like, "moving on," lol.

But, yeah.

A "gentle jab" did NOT provoke that response, calling Nomad a trolling writer of posts that evoke a mentally disturbed killer, who should "start his own blog" provoked that response.

Was all of his necessary? It seems like they already patched things up in another thread. Don't reignite the fire.

[Nomad77]

(07-02-2014 12:06 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Nomad did you ever speak to Mental on here ? You remind me of him, he was one of the first ones to reach out to me on my first advice needed post. He talk about the scenario I was having trouble with, but transcended it into life values and views.

Thanks I will check him out.

[kaotic]

(07-02-2014 01:00 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 12:06 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Nomad did you ever speak to Mental on here ? You remind me of him, he was one of the first ones to reach out to me on my first advice needed post. He talk about the scenario I was having trouble with, but transcended it into life values and views.

Thanks I will check him out.

Unfortunately...I think he checked out of RVF for awhile, but comes on from time to time.

[MongolianAbroad]

(07-02-2014 01:00 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

Was all of his necessary? It seems like they already patched things up in another thread. Don't reignite the fire.

I don't read every thread on RVF man, I just saw that comment, which completely understated the reason for the retort, and thought it would only be fair to clear it up.

If so, that's great.