Quote: (10-03-2014 11:10 AM)William Windsor Wrote:
The big question is, what is the best city to find 8+ girls, perhaps a city where your foreigner status will overcome the fact that girls of this level have a dozen orbiters. Lika, you've been all over Ukraine, sounds like Kiev, despite having a ton of 8+ girls, might not be the best city for actually getting one of these top-shelf girls?
Yeah, I'm not sure... I got 8+ girls only in Lviv (from internet and day game) and in Dnepropetrovsk (from internet). In Odessa, I got a lot of numbers and dates with 8+ girls but in the end I got no more than handjobs and blowjobs.
In Dnepropetrovsk, the English speaking level is low and I didn't feel good or even safe in the city (but I banged A LOT). Every place I went out at night in Dnepropetrovsk (Labyrinth, Bartolomeo) was crazy loud and it was almost impossible to speak around the bars or anywhere in the clubs.
In kharkiv, I lucked out and it's the only place I didn't bang in 2 weeks. I felt good in Kharkiv though and it's my favorite city after Kiev... However, the English speaking level doesn't seem so high. Maybe I'll go back when I speak better Russian. Perhaps it's easier in Kharkiv to get a smart 8+ girl who is interested in an exotic foreigner since there are very few around but what struck me in Kharkiv though is that I had very little exotic factor there and the girls were giving me less eye contact or interest than in Kiev. What I liked in Kharkiv though was the night life. Some of the best clubs in Ukraine (for pickup), like Bolero, are in Kharkiv.
In Kiev I think I made the mistake to rely too much on night game and Internet game (there are like 40 new 8+ girls registering everyday on mamba...) and got the numbers of many of them but they all ended up flaking more or less.
I have a feeling I can get the 8+ girls in Kiev but I have to forget about internet and night game. I must focus on social circle / niche game and day game in some of the malls, where there is an insane number of 8+ shopping alone and giving me eye contact. I tried dance lessons in Kiev in a few schools but everywhere, there were almost more guys than girls and very average girls. In Lviv on the opposite, in salsa classes, there were like 25 cute girls for 4 ugly guys... (but they spoke in Ukrainian all the time
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Also lately in Kiev, a lot of very pretty shop attendants (7,5 - 8) started flirting with me and I got a few dates already but I'm leaving now...
In my opinion, there are so much more single beautiful girls (who don't go out at night) in Kiev than anywhere else in Ukraine (except Odessa in the summer) that I think it's worth trying daygame (and street or bar/restaurant night game) if one has more than 2 weeks in town. And they speak much more English in Kiev than in the rest of Ukraine. Perhaps about 60% of the young girls I talk to.
As a side note, I was in a nice restaurant / lounge with one of my girls tonight and some local guys at a table in front were giving the evil eye to my girlfriend and me. She didn't give a shit because she's a very rich girl used to foreigners and such situations but I can totally understand how this kind of stuff can deter girls from dating a foreigner. A lot of waiters react with jealousy too.