[Beyond Borders]

^Classy broad that Jessica.

She did get a laugh out of me though, so I give her that.

[Zep]

[quote] (06-20-2014 10:50 AM)kosko Wrote:  

[quote='Christian McQueen' pid='759320' dateline='1403241611']
I work with a guy like this. He's not a criminal obviously but he has the same mixed dude genes that make those light eyes and shit. Dude is deep from the Caribbean with a heavy accent. I can't understand half the shit he says but he's chill since we just talk about baseball. Girls throw themselves at him because he's a natural with women from growing up in the islands. But the kicker is that the dude puts ZERO effort into his appearance. He's always having bush hair, needs a line up, he rarely shaves but has some patchy old man beard versus a even one, dude is major skinny fat.. Does zero fitness. Basically looks like a slob but still the women toss themselves at him. It's his whole not give a fuck vibe, if he just went off his looks alone he would still probably pull but it's his vibe and demeanor.

It dosnt get more "YOLO" and 'not give a fuck' then a criminal.[/quote]

Interesting. I wonder how someone would teach this vibe, because I and others, many others, need it. How does 'I don't give a fuck' translate into the real-world? If you're at a cash register, do you not talk to a female cashier because you're in your own world, or do you talk but in a barely interested way, or do you say something inappropriate like "my balls are itchy"? Does this attract only a certain type of woman?

Also, what's the evolutionary angle on this good looking criminal? Like, do these women like bad-boys because bad-boys are willing to be violent to acquire resources? What kind of women are attracted to him? Ghetto chicks? or a whole spectrum of women?

IKE is right, these guys are scary. They are like violent dogs. They're both stupid and dangerous, like a violent pit-bull, but most of all, after 20 minutes, they're really boring. So boring, and the combination of them being stupid to the point of boring and their violent capacities makes you never, ever want to see them again.

[Constitution45]

"Wow he can add another teardrop to his face after he murders dis pussy"

Hahahahahaa at the above the quote heheehe


On a serious note this is really interesting. Anglosphere women really do associate themselves with the criminal class, I won't even go for the opinion "of course they go for alphas who give them the tingles". They specifically really want to have the criminal thugs who have a violent reputation and not even the smart ones for that matter.

I always found it strange that so many women try to identify with a subculture which to be honest, is completely brutal, immoral and destroys the soul. The guys in my neighbourhood, school, everywhere pretty much, where the drug dealers. On the other hand successful body builders, soldiers, businessmen etc seemed to struggle or they would only pull off a few notches. It's not something that you can really fake, as there were plenty of boys who would pretend to be gangsters or drug dealers. But the women would usually suss them out and go for the real thing.

I don't believe this is really healthy for society, a lot of conforming politically correct beta males, must be demoralised by this. And a lot of young men growing up in the bad parts of town, probably will turn to gangsterdom themselves in order to impress the girls they want.

Interestingly enough, I don't think this is an issue with men not being attractive enough. By all means learn game, its an essential stepping stone for any young man. But the brutal truth is of the matter, that this culture really does screw women up. In Russia and other traditional countries which are similar, the women generally avoid these types of men because they know full well, that they will have to deal with the reprecusions of having a criminal boyfriend.

However in the West, where the sexual market place is always in favour for the women, they don't have to deal with the consequences of such behaviour. Not failing to mention, that there isn't any real indicator for ethical behaviour among females, aside from the feminist "Do what thou Wilt" philosophy, which encourages women to basically behave like degenerates.

[TonySandos]

I've been interested in this behavior for a while now. I'm started to think that it's simply because most of them don't know about all traits and the details of a life that leads to charges like that. Women don't understand violence or male threat for that matter.

In the west there is girl tough, then there's man tough.

Girl tough is when some chick is obsessed over how bad her man is because he has a reputation for getting in a few fights and looks burly(may be more fat).

Guy tough is the things that men look for in other men to assess them as an actual threat; indifference toward violence, having less to lose and more to gain in a situation, stupidity or bad decision making that's common enough to make them irrational and unpredictable, carrying weapons and so on.

Women don't think like this and relate it to bad decision making because they live by a different safety metric in their daily lives, therefore they don't consider the same types of people that you do as someone whose a negative investment or problem.

You see a hepatitis c carrier and the reason why you have to chain you bike to the fence.
She sees a representation of manly strength and someone that will get what she wants for her regardless of the means

[DjembaDjemba]

It isn't just Anglo women boys. Girls all over the world swoon over the bad boy criminals, add in pretty boy status and this is pussy magnetism.

[pitt]

(06-20-2014 05:11 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

It must be painful for "beta" males to watch this. With their lack of understanding of game, own dissatisfaction; along with this politically correct attitude of being sympathetic to the gang member and his lifestyle. They must be demoralised.

Interestingly enough in the poorer countries, men who are criminals and have a known history of violence are usually avoided by women. Who know that they would have deal with the consequences of his behaviour in the long run. A lot of Anglosphere women today can safely spend a good part of their life with these guys and then retreat back to the safe provider when they want "good guys".

Good point. These type of men in third world countries are looked down by women and no women is interested in dating them.

I still believe that the bad boy persona is overrated by the pua community. Most of puas are not bad guys and most probably never lived a criminal life, however they are still pulling more than the average bad guy.

I spent all my teen years around thugs (even though I was not doing any criminal activity) and were this guys pulling more bitches than me? Fuck no..good looks, alpha personality, good approaching and escalating skills beats all that bad boy garbage.

[Zep]

About this badboy, and the elusive vibe...( plus model good looks )

Went for a long walk and cleared my head. What I came up with was, the vibe is a symptom of something, and the something is power, and a freedom of expression with speech and movement which implies a lack of fear, which also implies a capacity to defend ( equals strength )

I’ve worked in a number of environments. In the clubs it was violent meatheads that the dumb chicks were attracted to. In a corporate setting, it was the high IQ dudes in positions of power that the girls ( quality too ) were attracted too. I could kick these corporate guys asses, didn’t matter in this environment though. On the street, it’s a different thing altogether. So, alpha is context dependent, or I should say the styles of alpha. GSP strikes me as a nerd, wouldn’t want to mess with him though.

Pitt is right when he said the pua community overrates the badboy persona. It’s just a fraction of the population that’s getting exposure because it seems so outrageous, that’s all. We don’t generally hear about the orgies going on with supermodels in the Hamptons.

You can’t ‘fake it until you make it’ either. That’s modelling. Modelling only deals with the cognitive part of the mind. It’s a cheap imitation and can be sussed out easily as Constitution45 mentioned above.

So, how to build the real deal. Here are some thoughts, exercise the animal brain, how? Like what’s been mentioned in here a thousand times before. Workout hard, learn how to fight or defend yourself to the point where you walk into you social situation fully confident you could handle yourself, this will reduce body tension, this will reduce the need to be ‘nice’ and friendly all the time, it allows you to peacock, because you know, if someone wants to fight you because you’re wearing pink, you can. Better have verbals to back it up too, black dudes in my neighbourhood had ways to express things that communicated what they needed to without supplication, they’re good at it. Get sexual confidence, pay for it if you must, just acquire that confidence.

At the end of the day, it’s about power, power in whatever situation you roll in. Music? Are you the best, or one of the best musicians there? Corporation, are you the smartest, most ruthless? Da Club, are you the biggest, jacked, most capable of doing bodily harm?

You get the point. What about Russell Brand…he’s got power too. So does Prince. Massive amounts of talent that they both exhibit confidently. That’s a form of peacocking. It’s personal power.

This felon is first and most importantly very good looking, and secondly, famous, and thirdly, for the trashy broads, powerful, in that he's capable of violence.

[Dr. Howard]

(06-21-2014 10:42 AM)Zep Wrote:  

About this badboy, and the elusive vibe...( plus model good looks )

Went for a long walk and cleared my head. What I came up with was, the vibe is a symptom of something, and the something is power, and a freedom of expression with speech and movement which implies a lack of fear, which also implies a capacity to defend ( equals strength )

I’ve worked in a number of environments. In the clubs it was violent meatheads that the dumb chicks were attracted to. In a corporate setting, it was the high IQ dudes in positions of power that the girls ( quality too ) were attracted too. I could kick these corporate guys asses, didn’t matter in this environment though. On the street, it’s a different thing altogether. So, alpha is context dependent, or I should say the styles of alpha. GSP strikes me as a nerd, wouldn’t want to mess with him though.

Pitt is right when he said the pua community overrates the badboy persona. It’s just a fraction of the population that’s getting exposure because it seems so outrageous, that’s all. We don’t generally hear about the orgies going on with supermodels in the Hamptons.

You can’t ‘fake it until you make it’ either. That’s modelling. Modelling only deals with the cognitive part of the mind. It’s a cheap imitation and can be sussed out easily as Constitution45 mentioned above.

So, how to build the real deal. Here are some thoughts, exercise the animal brain, how? Like what’s been mentioned in here a thousand times before. Workout hard, learn how to fight or defend yourself to the point where you walk into you social situation fully confident you could handle yourself, this will reduce body tension, this will reduce the need to be ‘nice’ and friendly all the time, it allows you to peacock, because you know, if someone wants to fight you because you’re wearing pink, you can. Better have verbals to back it up too, black dudes in my neighbourhood had ways to express things that communicated what they needed to without supplication, they’re good at it. Get sexual confidence, pay for it if you must, just acquire that confidence.

At the end of the day, it’s about power, power in whatever situation you roll in. Music? Are you the best, or one of the best musicians there? Corporation, are you the smartest, most ruthless? Da Club, are you the biggest, jacked, most capable of doing bodily harm?

You get the point. What about Russell Brand…he’s got power too. So does Prince. Massive amounts of talent that they both exhibit confidently. That’s a form of peacocking. It’s personal power.

This felon is first and most importantly very good looking, and secondly, famous, and thirdly, for the trashy broads, powerful, in that he's capable of violence.

Sorry to derail, but Prince is the model for anyone who doubts game. The guy is built like peter pan and is howard hughes eccentric....yet he pulls grade a pussy consistently, over decades.

[TonySandos]

What is this absurd concept of body tension and muscular tension that keeps being brought up around here?

Are some of you aware that certain muscle groups never lose tension until you die and others maintain tension for good reason? How is that bad?

Some very dedicated martial artists practice taking hits until their forearms, abdomen and lower leg build increased, natural tension to act as organic armor. Calcium and cartilaginous materials are built up in the legs for the same purpose. A hardened abdomen and accessory muscles protect the critical diaphragm; if it's damaged, you simply can't breathe. The cervical spine, the neck bones, are the most commonly injured spinal structures and more prone to lateral injury than forward/backward motion. If it's up to me, I want traps like steel cables and surrounding muscles to be the same.


Also adding this-

These guys aren't desired because of some mystical "not giving a fuck" persona and lack of fear. It's so often that they lack self love instead. Go to the hood, the barrio. Get to know these guys well. This type makes me sick instead of awed because they're simply aimless, careless and masochistic. They may also be sadistic, dealing with a lack of self love and wanting others to feel pain too. They're often weak willed and material craving. Badboys are nothing to try to emulate and it's cringe worthy to try to emulate the traits of what are most sincerely losers.

I'm sure it's not even most women in the states that are attracted to this type, just the same vocal group of chicken heads that prop up every attractive felon, fuck authority archetype that comes around. I've heard women in the immediate friend circle in this trashy city make sarcastic remarks on attraction of men of like this man before. They're not the female kryptonite as many are making it out to be. Yes, they have their fanfare, but conspiracy hamstering about all women craving this in real life is not so realistic.

[Samseau]

(06-21-2014 07:49 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

"Wow he can add another teardrop to his face after he murders dis pussy"

Hahahahahaa at the above the quote heheehe


On a serious note this is really interesting. Anglosphere women really do associate themselves with the criminal class, I won't even go for the opinion "of course they go for alphas who give them the tingles". They specifically really want to have the criminal thugs who have a violent reputation and not even the smart ones for that matter.

I always found it strange that so many women try to identify with a subculture which to be honest, is completely brutal, immoral and destroys the soul. The guys in my neighbourhood, school, everywhere pretty much, where the drug dealers. On the other hand successful body builders, soldiers, businessmen etc seemed to struggle or they would only pull off a few notches. It's not something that you can really fake, as there were plenty of boys who would pretend to be gangsters or drug dealers. But the women would usually suss them out and go for the real thing.

I don't believe this is really healthy for society, a lot of conforming politically correct beta males, must be demoralised by this. And a lot of young men growing up in the bad parts of town, probably will turn to gangsterdom themselves in order to impress the girls they want.

Interestingly enough, I don't think this is an issue with men not being attractive enough. By all means learn game, its an essential stepping stone for any young man. But the brutal truth is of the matter, that this culture really does screw women up. In Russia and other traditional countries which are similar, the women generally avoid these types of men because they know full well, that they will have to deal with the reprecusions of having a criminal boyfriend.

However in the West, where the sexual market place is always in favour for the women, they don't have to deal with the consequences of such behaviour. Not failing to mention, that there isn't any real indicator for ethical behaviour among females, aside from the feminist "Do what thou Wilt" philosophy, which encourages women to basically behave like degenerates.

It's because in normal societies, women who associate with criminals are usually treated like the criminals themselves -

They are beated, raped, or killed by the victims.

In Russia, Brazil, Africa, etc. if a guy has a rep of being a criminal who mugs people, he's gonna die. And any woman with him is just collateral damage when the vigilantes come.

[CRR]

It just shows even more their hypocrisy and extreme lack of honesty.

To sum up, most men ask for a few simple things from a woman.

1) Show up.
2) Be feminine.
3) Don't be fat.

That's it. If you're a woman and you can follow those three simple instructions, you are ahead of the game.

Yet somehow that makes us misogynist. Finding fat unattractive is sexist, fat shaming, lacking in fat acceptance, etcetera.

These feminists cry rape (for attention) and have made it 'rape culture' a national issue, yet fawn all over a criminal. To be clear, I'm not hating the guy one bit for women being attracted to him on a basic level. We're all human.

But these are the same women who can't claim to find a good guy, yet love a criminal and show extreme contempt towards 'nice guys'.

That's what I don't get, that the media and our culture is so feminized that they are portrayed as the good people and we are bad. They try to force a beauty standard (that is also unhealthy and a financial burden on our society) on everyone, show extreme contempt for the socially awkward, fawn all over a criminal. We are basically saying "we are men and we find women who take care of themselves and act feminine attractive", something so basic, intuitive and benign...yet we are the pariahs?

[Captain Gh]

(06-21-2014 07:26 AM)Zep Wrote:  

[quote] (06-20-2014 10:50 AM)kosko Wrote:  

I work with a guy like this. He's not a criminal obviously but he has the same mixed dude genes that make those light eyes and shit. Dude is deep from the Caribbean with a heavy accent. I can't understand half the shit he says but he's chill since we just talk about baseball. Girls throw themselves at him because he's a natural with women from growing up in the islands. But the kicker is that the dude puts ZERO effort into his appearance. He's always having bush hair, needs a line up, he rarely shaves but has some patchy old man beard versus a even one, dude is major skinny fat.. Does zero fitness. Basically looks like a slob but still the women toss themselves at him. It's his whole not give a fuck vibe, if he just went off his looks alone he would still probably pull but it's his vibe and demeanor.

It dosnt get more "YOLO" and 'not give a fuck' then a criminal.

Interesting. I wonder how someone would teach this vibe, because I and others, many others, need it. How does 'I don't give a fuck' translate into the real-world? If you're at a cash register, do you not talk to a female cashier because you're in your own world, or do you talk but in a barely interested way, or do you say something inappropriate like "my balls are itchy"? Does this attract only a certain type of woman?

Also, what's the evolutionary angle on this good looking criminal? Like, do these women like bad-boys because bad-boys are willing to be violent to acquire resources? What kind of women are attracted to him? Ghetto chicks? or a whole spectrum of women?

IKE is right, these guys are scary. They are like violent dogs. They're both stupid and dangerous, like a violent pit-bull, but most of all, after 20 minutes, they're really boring. So boring, and the combination of them being stupid to the point of boring and their violent capacities makes you never, ever want to see them again.

Believe me my friend that YOU REALLY DON'T wanna give this vibe off!! You'll be attracting women that are the worst of worst! That vibe is not an alpha one, but a vibe to protect their boundaries.

Some people, especially men growing in hard circumstances ( aka in the "hood") have learned to survive by overprotecting their boundaries by building extremely thick walls around their boundaries that are ice cold and emotionless in nature aka a hardcore criminal.

Problem is that these women confuse the latter with being an alpha male that can be tamed, while he's really a stone cold emotionless man that will pull away the more she tries to reel him back in! This dynamic is so complex to explain in full details, but that's the gist of it

[Deuce Anna Half]

(06-21-2014 08:22 AM)TonySandos Wrote:  

I've been interested in this behavior for a while now. I'm started to think that it's simply because most of them don't know about all traits and the details of a life that leads to charges like that. Women don't understand violence or male threat for that matter.

In the west there is girl tough, then there's man tough.

Girl tough is when some chick is obsessed over how bad her man is because he has a reputation for getting in a few fights and looks burly(may be more fat).

Guy tough is the things that men look for in other men to assess them as an actual threat; indifference toward violence, having less to lose and more to gain in a situation, stupidity or bad decision making that's common enough to make them irrational and unpredictable, carrying weapons and so on.

Women don't think like this and relate it to bad decision making because they live by a different safety metric in their daily lives, therefore they don't consider the same types of people that you do as someone whose a negative investment or problem.

You see a hepatitis c carrier and the reason why you have to chain you bike to the fence.
She sees a representation of manly strength and someone that will get what she wants for her regardless of the means

Nail on the head. Women don't truly understand violence. They target the "nice guys" with all this harassment/rape culture shit because they think they're some sort of hidden threat of violence, but want to fuck the felon, completely ignoring the very real threat he's already shown he's capable of. Men know exactly what a real violent man is capable of, women will excuse it because he's good looking.

Same reason a woman will go back to somebody who's blacked her eye because he still gives her the tingles but shuns a man she sees as "creepy".

[Excelsior]

(06-21-2014 05:43 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

Strange girl. She's surprisingly reasonable in some other tweets.

https://twitter.com/jezzzz_/status/480115374973673472

https://twitter.com/jezzzz_/status/479078676613439490

https://twitter.com/jezzzz_/status/478045721787002881

https://twitter.com/jezzzz_/status/475384926481555456

[Samseau]

^ She's a dumb whore and you can easily read it between all of her lines

[DjembaDjemba]

WB. The rest is irrelevant.

Hope she's over 18.

[pitt]

I wouldn't bang it..she is a solid 3 in my book.

[Zep]

(06-21-2014 11:34 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:  

Believe me my friend that YOU REALLY DON'T wanna give this vibe off!! You'll be attracting women that are the worst of worst! That vibe is not an alpha one, but a vibe to protect their boundaries.

I know. Covered it in post 57. I've met a couple of truly nasty people over the years, no desire to be like them at all.

[speakeasy]

^^^ I would lance that bitch like a medieval knight.

(06-21-2014 10:52 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

Sorry to derail, but Prince is the model for anyone who doubts game. The guy is built like peter pan and is howard hughes eccentric....yet he pulls grade a pussy consistently, over decades.

Couldn't disagree more. Prince has fame. And fame = women. With or without game. Michael Jackson had women literally fainting just at that sight of his gloved hand peeking out of a hotel window. Does anyone believe Michael Jackson had game? He was a freakshow and had the voice and personality of a trembling little boy. Take away his fame and he'd have been incel. I believe it's still possible that he died a virgin.

[DjembaDjemba]

Prince is so famous, he can use other famous people pretending to be him on his album art.



Breakfast can wait, I'm sure Jessica would agree.

[TonySandos]

Definitely would bang. She looks like she smokes weed, lives at her moms nice house, drives a car she didn't buy, has plan b money at the ready...

[AnonymousBosch]

(06-21-2014 10:42 AM)Zep Wrote:  

About this badboy, and the elusive vibe...( plus model good looks )

Went for a long walk and cleared my head. What I came up with was, the vibe is a symptom of something, and the something is power, and a freedom of expression with speech and movement which implies a lack of fear, which also implies a capacity to defend ( equals strength )

Some of that, sure, but to my thinking, he offers her drama. If you ever need a clear picture of the immorality women are capable of, look for a bored girl.

With more drama, she gains social power to dominate all discussion in social situations with her friends and family.

With domination, comes further attention of people trying to steer her away from the man and 'rescue her'.

He offers her heightened emotion through violence, and the possibility of self-destruction for love, which chicks hysterically read as 'true love'.

He also offers her the possibility to debase herself, and destroy all trace of her purity and beauty, which, girls seem to crave. Over and over, they've told me "It's so harrrrd to be a good girl."

Girls seem incapable of self-control If left to their own devices, I think most women would naturally-regress to this.

[Foolsgo1d]

(06-20-2014 03:16 PM)runsonmagic Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 03:03 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

I actually went onto those websites where you can date felons.

...but seriously, what's the link?

That belongs in the WYB thread.

It was a US based site with the backing of the prison system. SOmething to do with making things easier. Both men and women have profiles and each state has its own category.

I just googled "Date US prisoners" and this is the #1 hit. Prison blind date


EDIT: Cattle Rustler can do a prison MILF/Cougar spreadsheet I'm sure from all of these women.

[DavidZRH]

I would like to thank the manosphere community (and RoK specifically) for changing the way I think about women. A few years ago I would have dismissed this story as stupid. But now, I know that it's a reflection of the true nature of women.

Thank you my fellow men!

(06-21-2014 05:43 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

[Muk]

umm...I think she's joking in that tweet...
sometimes women do that...
and sometimes
though rarely,
it's funny...