[monster]

(06-23-2014 11:19 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 11:11 AM)Moma Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 10:48 AM)soup Wrote:  

If he is lying to us in this thread about the video it means he had no respect for us, and would then be essentially spamming us with his replies. I think that would justify a ban.

Say it ain't so, Chris. It really is up to you at this point to either come clean and try to explain yourself or prove that all the allegations of the vid being fake are false. I don't think you can just not post on this thread and expect to stick around much longer.

If I came to the forum, didn't post much and started trying to defend a promo video for an anti balding lotion that I'm selling whose vid turned out to be staged, then Id get booted from the forum.

If his whole vid was fake, he should have put a disclaimer on it saying that it's a demonstration and that they were actors etc.

This is all based on principle, of course. Obviously it's very complicated because he's sponsoring ROK this month.

The thing is, it was another member who posted up Chris's video.

Yeah, member "Monster" with who made one post in this entire thread and has one rep point. MikeCF made a good point about marketeers who purposely pay a guy who isn't a total newbie, but not established enough to cost much, to make a legitimate thread in order to promote videos.

Given the amount of bullshit detected so far, Monster may be (high likelihood) in on this too.

I made one post because I thought the video was awesome & thought others would be inspired by it. I don't give two flying fucks about all this drama. In fact, we're all on the same team here and the fact that everyone's ripping each other to shreds rather than supportive of one another's efforts is precisely antagonistic to the point of this forum: to help each other's game out and crush the pernicious feminist ideology that's hurting what it means to be a man.

I 100% think the video is real. That's how american girls act and talk.

[Travesty]

Respect for responding Chris.

Is funny OP has been a ghost this whole thread then decides to post with vigor right after Chris lol.

Did see the park location comment photo got cut off as Pacific as the last word so if it was Pacific NW it says the film location may have been a ton of different places which makes sense.

That is some heavy white knighting by those 60 guys contacting your ex sorry to hear that.

[Christian McQueen]

Asking questions to Chris I can understand as I did as well and I have nothing more to say regarding that.

However, bombarding the girls with emails etc, is retarded and screams white knighting.

Gather your facts, but pulling stunts like that that may hurt his business is shitty as hell, so those who did, grow the fuck up.

[RexImperator]

That seems like a pretty good answer from Chris.

[simondice]

(06-23-2014 05:38 PM)good looking loser Wrote:  

Girls
"Valerie"
The model mayhem of Valerie is indeed the girl in the video. Nice work.

About 20-30% of the girls I pick up, especially in club scene (LA) have model mayhem pages and representation.

The fact that 1 girl in my video has a MM page means nothing and you guys know that.
btw - it was news to me that she modeled.

What happened to her Facebook page?
I guess she took it down.

You guys relentlessly contacted her yesterday through that page and showed her the video that she was in. She's creeped out by you and me.

Leave her alone.

People actually contacted her? That's fucking stupid and unmanly, she actually looked like a solid prospect. People, if you got beef against Chris, you can ask him questions, but leave these girls alone, it's fucking white knight stuff when you actually contact them. They have nothing to do with this.

Just let it be man. Keep doing your thing and if you really care about what this forum thinks, have like one highly rep member vouch for you when doing these in-field pick ups. You seem like a solid guy who doesn't need to fake it (in my opinion).

[Roosh]

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You guys relentlessly contacted her yesterday through that page and showed her the video that she was in. She's creeped out by you and me.

This is unfortunate. I don't understand why people are posting girls' FB pages here, so let's cut that out. This forum has tons of white knight lurkers who I'm sure are the ones sending messages to girls. I will go back and delete those links. Screenshots and images are fine, but don't post links that allow our haters to try and hurt Chris' friends/girls/associates/etc.

[Roosh]

I know we post facebook/twitters of our enemies and what not, but don't do this of "innocent victims". If you see this happening, hit report. I can't stay on top of these forum issues without your help.

[xpatplayer]

I'd like to request everyone to keep an eye out on members who've joined in June. They've been extra-trollish and many of them have (thankfully) been banned.

Also would not be surprised if it was lurkers who contacted her. Please remember this is a public forum. And anyone can see our posts.

[The Lizard of Oz]

(06-23-2014 06:55 PM)simondice Wrote:  

People actually contacted her? That's fucking creepy, she actually looked like a solid prospect. People, if you got beef against Chris, you can ask him questions, but leave these girls alone, that's fucking creepy when you actually contact them. They have nothing to do with this.

Contacting these girls is stupid and unnecessary but let's leave the use of "creepy" and "fucking creepy" to the sewers of Jezebel where it belongs. It's an unmanly shaming term that carries the stench of its many foul uses.

[Christian McQueen]

Also, this is another reason some game writers stay anonymous.

I'd like to post photos etc, because it may help those who I'm trying to help, BUT everyone who's posted stuff gets burned by shit like this.

They post videos or pics with good intentions (regardless of the process) and then white knights turn something that could be good into something negative.

[simondice]

(06-23-2014 07:22 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 06:55 PM)simondice Wrote:  

People actually contacted her? That's fucking creepy, she actually looked like a solid prospect. People, if you got beef against Chris, you can ask him questions, but leave these girls alone, that's fucking creepy when you actually contact them. They have nothing to do with this.

Contacting these girls is stupid and unnecessary but let's leave the use of "creepy" and "fucking creepy" to the sewers of Jezebel where it belongs. It's an unmanly shaming term that carries the stench of its many foul uses.

This is true, thanks for pointing it out. I guess for me creeping on girls white knight style is the real definition of that word, but feminism spoiled it for everyone (again). I will edit it out.

[soup]

White knights really are the scourge. What's the point? They have no concept of what they are doing. It's like a mental sickness.

They just can't except reality and are acting out their unfulfilled desires as agression towards other men, and subconsciously against women (as evidenced here with them contacting girls).

[Hotwheels]

(06-23-2014 06:43 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

Asking questions to Chris I can understand as I did as well and I have nothing more to say regarding that.

However, bombarding the girls with emails etc, is retarded and screams white knighting.

Gather your facts, but pulling stunts like that that may hurt his business is shitty as hell, so those who did, grow the fuck up.

I concur.

Frankly, in my opinion, the guys that dug up FB profiles, MM profiles, etc need to step back a bit and look at what they are really doing.

ie; Trying to fuck a guys shit up for no gain of their own.

What is the point guys? Real or "enhanced" video? Who cares?

I haven't been on GLL's site in quite some time but it seems he brings a lot of value to guys that need it. He's good at what he does and helps guys that have similar issues.

I'd like to think that those who chose to contact his ex GF and the girls from the video are not members here, but there is really no way to tell.

[Samseau]

(06-23-2014 05:38 PM)good looking loser Wrote:  

Location:

- The video is in Idaho. (SoupDuJour, correct)
x I never once said the video was in Seattle. You guys ran with that based on the YouTube description and comments where it's written "Pacific NW", "(or surrounding states)". "Near to the university of Washington."

Eastside explains that here:
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-37295-...#pid761035
... that is exactly what happened.

I was vague about the location, always have been and will continue to be for these videos.

Why?
Because freaks go looking for the girls and contacting them. As has already happened.

I don't need girls mad at me, even though any footage in the public domain is fair game.

Do you know how many freaks have contacted my long-time, long-distance girlfriend on Facebook to show her my website?

Probably about 60 guys.

You still deleted your comments about it's relative location. That's still some sketchy shit, man.

As for the other women who may or may not be models, I still find it amazing there were so many hotties in a single period of time, all without any sort bitch shield.

I've done daygame too and very often you get the cold shoulder, even when you run "nervous-guy game." Now you may be cherry-picking the best approaches but they all happened to be on bombshells?

Not really buying it. If you can pull this off with consistency for another 2-3 videos or so, I may be swayed, but do it in a different location. Perhaps Idaho girls are just really sweethearts and totally unknown to the rest of us Coastal dwellers. In the big cities most girls are busy as fuck, and will find excuses to stop and leave. At least for street game. Park game is a different story, but many of my park game approaches have gone sour when the girls simply shut down and stopped talking.

Another thing you could do is release the non-successful approaches. That would go a looooooooooong way towards establishing cred. Rejection is part of the game so there's no reason to be shy about it.

Finally, the girl taking notes was either a retard who highlighted random shit for no reason (she wasn't even reading the book sometimes) or that was staged. Given my experience with women, I'd put the retard possibility at 75%. But there's still plenty of doubt in my mind.

[Samseau]

As for the guys who contacted the model Valerie - that is some serious faggotry. I doubt I'm alone when I say this: White knights need to die.

[Samseau]

(06-23-2014 05:59 PM)monster Wrote:  

I made one post because I thought the video was awesome & thought others would be inspired by it. I don't give two flying fucks about all this drama. In fact, we're all on the same team here and the fact that everyone's ripping each other to shreds rather than supportive of one another's efforts is precisely antagonistic to the point of this forum: to help each other's game out and crush the pernicious feminist ideology that's hurting what it means to be a man.

I 100% think the video is real. That's how american girls act and talk.

No, no it's not.

#1. There is no drama, only in your head.

#2. Exposing fakes is VERY IMPORTANT. Fakers destroy the credibility of the entire forum. We aren't some bullshit faggot site like PUAHate, this is a site of alpha males who live by their word.

Anyone remember Mark Minter? No more phonies, thanks.

#3. The rigorous process to expose fakes is painful in the short run, but produces a high quality forum in the long run. Only legit posters survive, creating a forum of exceptionally high quality. Roosh himself wants all fakers to be routed out and banned. He has said it himself numerous times, especially in the travel section because of how easy it is for people to fabricate travel reports (since few actually travel and practice game).


Conclusion -

To the guys who think anyone trying to expose Chris is acting "unnecessarily" - stop being a fanboy of Chris. Act like a man and judge everyone equally harsh.

If Chris is legit this incident will only make him, his site, and his business that much stronger. So let him defend himself.

[good looking loser]

The entire day consisted of walking up to 13 girls (on camera), 3 were lost to bad audio and/or big wind. 1,5,10 were all rejections. There's nine hours of footage crunched into 50 minutes or so.

On rejections---

I don't get "blown out" with Nervous Guy though and neither does anyone else, that's the point of the video "~rejection proof".

I have nothing like that to show, not with this stuff.

As for Memorial Day weekend, as the guy from Boise claimed (he's gone silent) - the park is loaded with people. People drinking too. There was plenty more hot girls that I didn't hit on. There was a 5k run, some dog show and these Scottish Carnival guys doing something.

my friend just told me (i just showed him the video), Boise has one of the top film schools in entire West Coast, there are a lot of pretty girls here.
I hardly think ALL these girls were bombshells. They look good on camera and so do I, there's hotter girls in some of my other videos.

The place was packed and I actually stayed away from the high traffic zones (as someone else mentioned) because there were to many people blocking our shots and the audio wasn't great.

Like I said, it was 13 approaches overall - 10 with good video.
The 3 missing "sets" = 2 rejections, 1 flakey number.

It was my intent NOT to publish many rejections for this video - even if I got them or even if some girl had been a bitch to me.

I don't want nervous guys seeing it because it almost never happens with this "safe game" approach.

That was the entire intent of the video, as mentioned in the intro.

I originally didn't even want to post girl #1 but I got talked into it because the girl clearly was weirdo and it wasn't my fault.

Something like that is completely weird even though it's a "rejection".

btw I'm one of the only guys on Youtube that publishes rejection footage, here's an entire video on the topic

but no, I can't put rejection footage all over my videos so people can tell me that I suck compared to PUAFaggotWizard[insert name here].
That is marketing and I'll admit that.

if every guy published all their "sets" --- people would realize that cold approach is a joke, unless you get eye contact and are good looking.

here are the real odds-
http://www.goodlookingloser.com/entry/ge...re-my-odds

Maybe that's what needs to happen.
just stay tuned for our next video, it's impossible to give you guys a full perspective on what the park totally looked like over 9-10 hours.

Not even in 50 minutes of footage.

Each approach was a snapshot in time, without concrete details of where people (including me) came from or what people are doing or where they were going. This all makes sense at night, but not always during the day.

[All or Nothing]

(06-23-2014 11:13 PM)good looking loser Wrote:  

I don't get "blown out" with Nervous Guy though and neither does anyone else, that's the point of the video "~rejection proof".

Your rejection guy game has got my brain running.

When I started, I had severe social anxiety among other issues. I am in four years deep. Resolved most of the problems over that time, but I still have some lingering issues.

These videos might help, but there are only two things that will help guys are in deep: desperation and persistence.

I am going to have to make a "big post" on this.

[good looking loser]

I looked back at this thread in its entirety for the first time in 3 days.

I actually see that you were actually reading what I was saying and not just trolling me by asking ridiculous questions or posting photos of the first blonde girl you found on MM.

So I'd like to respond to this statement-

(06-23-2014 10:36 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

If Chris is legit this incident will only make him, his site, and his business that much stronger. So let him defend himself.

Maybe, maybe not.

Let me give you an analogy that you guys are familiar with.

When a guy gets accused of rape and is found 'not guilty' -- does his rep get stronger?

Of course not.

The shadow of doubt will always remain, in some people's mind the guy is simply a "rapist" that didn't get caught - which makes him an even worse person.

He can't win.

The majority of people have already made up their mind on me (way before THIS video) and there's nothing I can do get them to "like" me.

That's fine, like I said - it's been 3 years of this and there will be 40 more.

So that's why I haven't be particularly interested in debating 1/2 the stuff on this thread:
(why does the girl alternate between the blue and yellow highlighter?)
(why does the girl in this picture have similar sunglasses to the joger girl?)

You feel me?

[NFallin]

The simple thing would be to keep making vids. Fuck the non believers, fuck the believers. Keep making quality videos and what can we do but watch and learn.

I want to believe. I want it to be this easy. Keep going Chris. Show us how it's done.

[Samseau]

(06-24-2014 01:29 AM)good looking loser Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 10:36 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

If Chris is legit this incident will only make him, his site, and his business that much stronger. So let him defend himself.

Maybe, maybe not.

Let me give you an analogy that you guys are familiar with.

When a guy gets accused of rape and is found 'not guilty' -- does his rep get stronger?

Of course not.

The shadow of doubt will always remain, in some people's mind the guy is simply a "rapist" that didn't get caught - which makes him an even worse person.

He can't win.

The majority of people have already made up their mind on me (way before THIS video) and there's nothing I can do get them to "like" me.

That's fine, like I said - it's been 3 years of this and there will be 40 more.

So that's why I haven't be particularly interested in debating 1/2 the stuff on this thread:
(why does the girl alternate between the blue and yellow highlighter?)
(why does the girl in this picture have similar sunglasses to the joger girl?)

You feel me?

Good thing you're not talking to any women. The huge majority of men don't hold grudges about past incidents. Keep producing quality and this will blow over.

[soup]

That's an interesting analogy, Chris. Isn't car insurance also like that? Even if you aren't the one that caused the accident, doesn't your insurance go up if you are involved in one just because now you are stastically more involved in car accidents? I know that men pay more based on statistics.

Too bad there isn't a thing for reputation insurance.

Also, there are a lot of sports players who seem to get accused of rape who beat the charges and get their rep cleaned, so to speak. Didn't that happen with Kobe Bryant?

Side-note: it's interesting to see Samseau being so skeptical about this when he's also known to be one of the biggest theists on the forum selective skepticism? Is that a thing? Ok I'll stop

[Akula]

(06-24-2014 01:29 AM)good looking loser Wrote:  

I looked back at this thread in its entirety for the first time in 3 days.

I actually see that you were actually reading what I was saying and not just trolling me by asking ridiculous questions or posting photos of the first blonde girl you found on MM.

So I'd like to respond to this statement-

(06-23-2014 10:36 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

If Chris is legit this incident will only make him, his site, and his business that much stronger. So let him defend himself.

Maybe, maybe not.

Let me give you an analogy that you guys are familiar with.

When a guy gets accused of rape and is found 'not guilty' -- does his rep get stronger?

Of course not.

The shadow of doubt will always remain, in some people's mind the guy is simply a "rapist" that didn't get caught - which makes him an even worse person.

He can't win.

The majority of people have already made up their mind on me (way before THIS video) and there's nothing I can do get them to "like" me.

That's fine, like I said - it's been 3 years of this and there will be 40 more.

So that's why I haven't be particularly interested in debating 1/2 the stuff on this thread:
(why does the girl alternate between the blue and yellow highlighter?)
(why does the girl in this picture have similar sunglasses to the joger girl?)

You feel me?

You make some good points and analogies. I'll admit I was skeptical but as I said I'm not going to hate on you and also think you're genuinely seeking to help guys out. So I am keeping an open mind and am going to give you the benefit of the doubt - I'm not some whiny illogical woman acting on my emotions of the moment

Also, I'll admit that once I knew it was in Idaho that it made a little more sense to me. The girls I've met from there and Montana are really nice and genuine mostly - like from another planet really compared to most of the rest of the US. It's like some kind of throwback to the 1950s or something like Mad Men IMO (not that I've met too many girls from there mind you). So once that came out and I realized it wasn't SoCal it made a bit more sense.

Thus as a guy who didn't know your work from Adam before this thread I'm not holding this against you. As Hotweels said, at the end of the day despite the 'getting to the bottom of this angle' who really cares if it's real or fake given the intent of the video? I have ZERO doubt you get laid on a consistent basis, so it's not like you're some kind of Big Baller troller talking out of your @ss and writing from your basement hovel.

Honestly what bums me out more is that some lurkers or perhaps even new forum members (!) went out and contacted one girl on FB and tried to intervene in your business. That, as Roosh and others have pointed out, is not cool and is a way bigger issue than the video. Its not what this forum is about for sure. I think some of us in our haste to 'dig into' the issue sorta forgot that there are many lurkers here, mostly good guys just wanting to learn, but some with malicious intent. BC we're largely anonymous (but you're not) I think we all need to keep that in mind.

Anwyay, the rape analogy is a good one but I don't think it'll be like that with the forum. People here are looking for knowledge and to get better, and anything that helps them is generally ok in my (and their) book. So again I'm coming at it with an open mind and I think most others will too, as even Samseau has just stated.

[Roosh]

All FB and modeling links have been removed.

I will keep a closer eye on newbies who seemed to have a "pua hate" type of posting history.

[good looking loser]

Thanks Roosh.