[DaveR]

(06-19-2014 05:06 AM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  

What should I do?

Take the train for sure if you decide to go. The new 'Falcon' ones get you there in 3 or 4 hours - about the same time as flying and it's much less hassle.

After saying that, I'm not sure that St. Petersburg will do much for you. It's more conservative and will be quiet at the moment because of the end of the study year.

It also depends on what you're trying to achieve there. If it's only for a few bangs, you'll likely have the same experience as in Moscow, but it could be slightly slower. If you're looking for a long-term girl to take back to the US (or elsewhere), the odds of finding one are better in Moscow and other cities. Don't forget that Ukraine is definitely prime hunting ground for that at the moment as well.

For blondes... Tallinn.

[Courage Reborn]

I've decided to stay in Moscow a little longer. I secured a 2nd date with a leggy Ukrainian sweetheart for tomorrow.

Like Roosh, my inital reception to Moscow was deceptively warm. I was setting up a hyper amount of dates, and got 2 quick bangs. I was lucky though.

My confidence in approaching and getting an instadate here is unstoppable. But I'm finding myself not approaching unless they're super hot, because I'm anticipating a potential 6 date slog.

Getting re-conditioned to this no sex/no kissing bullshit; It's a dangerous paradigm shift. If I went back to west with this mindset, I'd never get laid. In the US, if a girl agrees to a date, I always expect a good chance of sex happening. I don't think that anymore here. I'm behaving like a well mannered beta boy from observing too many girls go into analysis paralysis once I start touching them.

I remember Roosh writing about the differences between Western style game (cocky funny, extreme confidence), and Eastern game (girl agreeing to sex as a logical decision, rather than emotional response). Switching over is proving to be a mind fuck.

[slubu]

(06-19-2014 12:41 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  

Switching over is proving to be a mind fuck.

Switching back is even worse.

[selftaught]

Apologies if this is off-topic but I saw this fare deal and thought it was worth posting in this thread.

$653 R/T from ATL to Moscow on Delta.. ATL - JFK - SVO (Moscow) and back

Valid for travel on the outbound from August 24th – October 25th, 2014 and from December 12th – December 23rd, 2014 for Sunday through Wednesday departures from the USA. Must purchase at least 14 days in advance of departure and by June 18th, 2014.

http://faredealalert.com/2014/06/17/delt...all-taxes/

[Pacesetter20]

(06-19-2014 12:47 PM)selftaught Wrote:  

Apologies if this is off-topic but I saw this fare deal and thought it was worth posting in this thread.

$653 R/T from ATL to Moscow on Delta.. ATL - JFK - SVO (Moscow) and back

Valid for travel on the outbound from August 24th – October 25th, 2014 and from December 12th – December 23rd, 2014 for Sunday through Wednesday departures from the USA. Must purchase at least 14 days in advance of departure and by June 18th, 2014.

http://faredealalert.com/2014/06/17/delt...all-taxes/

Yes it is: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-27488.html

[the_ox]

hey courage

are u trying to pipeline with other things beside tinder? like some websites?

[Courage Reborn]

I write from the train to st petersburg.

My last weeks in moscow were bittersweet. After 6 dates & homecooked foods from my Siberian sweetheart, she still refused to kiss me. She tried to make plans again with me over text, but my heart just wasn't in it anymore to game her properly. I responded "sex is important to me". That was the last I heard from her. She will make someone else very happy one day.

Another one of my girls, 20 y/o blonde hair blue eyes snow white skin, I also had a date #6 with. A proper big city Moscovite city girl. When I once again got a headturn kiss evasion upon going home for the night, I stormed off. Deflated. Angrily deleted her number. A streak of frustrating events like this, and my decision to leave Moscow was made. Booked my train ticket & room that night.

An hour later while back at my apartment, I get an unknown text: " do you wish to go to bed with me?"

....

Was she worth it? On paper, everything about her was what I was looking for. Good family, creative type, and DD tits with minimal side flop when naked. But despite all that, we just weren't sexually compatible.

Something about this girl boiling down sex to a purely practical decision just killed it for me. In bed? No emotion. No feelings. It was like "now we will have sex. It's a logical thing to do at this time". So, 7 dates to find this out. Hours & hours of text & talk. A lot of time & money.

I've put in work before. But I feel like this one vampired part of my soul. She didn't do it on purpose. I really worked to get it, and gave so much. Maybe I built it up in my mind after so much anticipation, that the reality could never measure up. Who the fuck waits this long to have sex back in the west?

All told, 4 bangs in about 4 weeks. That's out of 41 phone numbers currently in my Moscow phone group, and almost as many dates. I dated almost every day in moscow. At least when I wasn't binging on vices out of frustration.

For me, Moscow was the ultimate paradox. Endless numbers of attractive women, ready willing & able to be taken out on a date. But giving back very little conversation, or sex. There is a wider cultural difference to navigate here than in other EE cities, and I'm not sure I completely dig it. Language skills are part of the challenge. But it's also a totally different mentality out here. Russians are animals, for better, and for worse.

Rant warning:

Buying the ticket for this train was a bad experience.

My US cards didn't work on their website. I figured I'd simply purchase at the station. "I'll get there an hour before, to have enough time..."

Waiting in line for 45 minutes. Then finally when it was my turn, the counter woman suddenly closed up, to go home. Myself, and everyone in my line behind me had to go to a different line, and wait all over again. The very worst public service experience back west, ie. NYC or LA department of motor vehicles, isn't this fucked up. Foul tempered customers & service people all around.

I thought that was the worst thing. That, and of course missing my train. But then after waiting another 45 minutes, it happened again. The same scenario, where the woman closed up, right when I got to the counter.

I put my head in my arms down on the counter. I didn't understand the words, but the body language and frustration of everyone behind me again was clear enough. "Insanity" said one man standing on line next to me.

At this point, I started checking skyscanner for flights out of Russia altogether. But a cute brunette caught my eye, and I had a thought to ask her to buy my ticket at the machine with her card, and I pay her cash.

No english.

Eventually I found someone. I had my ticket. There was no stopping me now. Except there was. The conductor didn't see my name on his print out. It was all Cyrillic, and my english name doesn't translate well to the letters. We couldn't find my name. He scolded me words I could not understand, got in the train, and left me at the platform. Alone, confused, angry and baffled.

Eventually, I got it sorted, and pleaded my way onto the next train out of this city of love & hate.

With that, my Mission to Moscow comes to a close. I might start a new thread for St Peter.

[Constitution45]

Don't beat yourself up about it, four lays in four weeks is good for a city like Moscow. If you stayed there for longer, you would end up with a top quality girlfriend who could probably do modelling back in the West. As for people shouting and being rude to you, that is just how they are on the streets, the babushkas are the worst. Plenty of times I would end up with arguments on the metro hehe.

I will look forward to hearing your perspective on St Petes, I have heard great things about that city, in terms of girls, architecture, quality of air (Big thing if you live in Moscow).

[presidentcarter]

It was good hanging with you man. I spent time with both you and Roosh in the past few weeks and you both expressed similar feelings. It's the big leagues I guess...and can sometimes leave you yearning for the easy Western sluts. Your posts reflect some of the thoughts and frustrations that I've had in my nine months here. The girls I'm not really into are eating out of my hand. The girls I REALLY want are truly a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma, as the saying goes. I'll be here at least another year...fighting the good fight. I should post more...but it feels different living here and posting about it vs. visiting someplace and posting. It's just a continual grind...battle. Maybe I'll do a year-one summary in the next month or two.

Let me know how Piter treats you. I'd love a compare/contrast post after you've spent time there. And keep an eye out for see-through clothes

Well, it's Thursday and I don't work tomorrow. Back out into the trenches.

[Akula]

4 bangs in 4 weeks with quality girls in Moscow is certainly nothing to sneeze at. You can't get 'em all and as everyone pretty much agrees on the forum Moscow is a dating culture mostly and it can be tough esp with the higher end girls you're used to dealing with.

I think since you're also looking for the 'right girl/potential wife material' (at least I've read that a couple times in some of your other posts I believe) and running day game almost exclusively you're holding yourself to a more difficult standard than perhaps in the past as well. Thus IMO you're in different, more choppy waters than perhaps you've been before so the degree of difficulty is higher (right?).

In any case, St. Petersburg is a much more beautiful and laid-back city than Moscow and I think that the change will do you good (and you can build on the Moscow successes).

[TripleG]

(07-03-2014 03:17 PM)Akula Wrote:  

4 bangs in 4 weeks with quality girls in Moscow is certainly nothing to sneeze at. You can't get 'em all and as everyone pretty much agrees on the forum Moscow is a dating culture mostly and it can be tough esp with the higher end girls you're used to dealing with.

I think since you're also looking for the 'right girl/potential wife material' (at least I've read that a couple times in some of your other posts I believe) and running day game almost exclusively you're holding yourself to a more difficult standard than perhaps in the past as well. Thus IMO you're in different, more choppy waters than perhaps you've been before so the degree of difficulty is higher (right?).

In any case, St. Petersburg is a much more beautiful and laid-back city than Moscow and I think that the change will do you good (and you can build on the Moscow successes).

@Courage
4 good looking girls in Moscow in 4 weeks is impressive. I bet they would all be at least 8's in a shithole like Washington, DC. As the saying go's "keep on truckin'". Also, nothing wrong with dating if you are consistently getting to 2nd/3rd base.

[rudebwoy]

Good read, it's funny we have the impression that these women are easy. Doesn't sound like a trip for the weak.
My friend is "dating" a Russian gal in Canada, she says the girls there only love money.

[jimukr104]

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My US cards didn't work on their website. I figured I'd simply purchase at the station. "I'll get there an hour before, to have enough time..."

Not sure if this will help anyone but when it comes to creditcards it is best to carry one VISA card from a small bank/credit union along with the major banks.
What happens is the major banks often have blocks on FSU websites due to pass fraud. The smaller banks, chances are, never have been flagged.
Saved me a bunch of times.

Pentagon Fed credit union is open to everyone who donates to a military organization and they have a Visa signature that has the chip in it.

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I thought that was the worst thing. That, and of course missing my train. But then after waiting another 45 minutes, it happened again. The same scenario, where the woman closed up, right when I got to the counter.

Not shocked. Actually you lucked out. Busy routes , especially in high season often need to be purchased days in advance.

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Eventually I found someone. I had my ticket. There was no stopping me now. Except there was. The conductor didn't see my name on his print out. It was all Cyrillic, and my english name doesn't translate well to the letters. We couldn't find my name. He scolded me words I could not understand, got in the train, and left me at the platform. Alone, confused, angry and baffled.

In future learn how to write your name of have a piece of paper with the writing and use it all the time. Even hand it in with passport when they converting.

[DaveR]

Whenever someone asks for your passport in Russia, open it to the current visa page, not the main "face" page. Everything they need to know is printed in Russian and English on your visa. As Jim pointed out, they need to know the Russian version of your name. The English version is irrelevant except for international trains/flights.

Most train tickets can be purchased on Tutu.ru. You can pay in cash and they'll courier the ticket to your address on the same day. The payment can be made to the courier in cash, or you can pay with Paypal.