[Tommy Eyes]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...nerds.html


This is the first time I've read an article that simultaneously shames beta male behavior AND shames self improvement.

Starts off okay with an indictment of the nerd fantasy: one day, hot women will realize nerdy men are hot, and will just fall into their laps:

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We (male) nerds grow up force-fed this script. Lusting after women “out of our league” was what we did. And those unattainable hot girls would always inevitably reject us because they didn’t understand our intellectual interest in science fiction and comic books and would instead date asshole jocks. This was inevitable, and our only hope was to be unyieldingly persistent until we “earned” a chance with these women by “being there” for them until they saw the error of their ways.

Then he brings up a classic scene from Revenge of The Nerds, where the protagonist sleeps with a sorority girl wearing a mask, tricking her into thinking she's boffing her bf.

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Classic nerd fantasy, right? Immensely attractive to the young male audience who saw it. And a stock trope, the “bed trick,” that many of the nerds watching probably knew dates back to the legend of King Arthur.

It’s also, you know, rape.

Can't disagree with him. Tricking a girl to bed is an exercise in futility. Do you want to be a con artist who sells one lemon, or a master car dealer that sells a guy 10 cars over his lifetime? At this point I assumed he would at least make a plea for self improvement: No mention of all. The only thing related to game in the whole article is one sentence badmouthing PUAs:

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Do they buy into the “pickup artist” snake oil—started by nerdy guys, for nerdy guys—filled with techniques to manipulate, pressure and in some cases outright assault women to get what they want?

*NOTE-This line includes a link to a Jezebel article. 'Nuff said.

Chu then spends a few paragraphs shaming nerds for being nerdy and awkward, again offering no ideas on how to be less awkward.

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So, a question, to my fellow male nerds:

What the fuck is wrong with us?

How much longer are we going to be in denial that there’s a thing called “rape culture” and we ought to do something about it?

Look out David Futrelle! There's a new supplicator in the making!

Chu then finishes it off with this gem:

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What did Elliot Rodger need? He didn’t need to get laid. None of us nerdy frustrated guys need to get laid. When I was an asshole with rants full of self-pity and entitlement, getting laid would not have helped me.

He needed to grow up.

We all do.

Conclusion: Us nerds should be ashamed for being awkward with women. But, we shouldn't try to improve either-that's trickery and manipulation, endemic of the evil rape culture. Since we all have the original sin of maleness, we should atone for our sins by being celibate, because nothings more mature than a 35 year old virgin

[JoyStick]

What a worthless loser. Dude might as well go kill himself.

[WestIndianArchie]

"No, not the straw man that all men are constantly plotting rape, but that we live in an entitlement culture where guys think they need to be having sex with girls in order to be happy and fulfilled."

^^You ever read something so wrong, so fucked up, so convoluted, so off...that you don't even know where to start?

Sex isn't about happiness and fulfillment.

Sex is about SEX.

WIA

[The Beast1]

Nerdy guys tend to be other nerdy guys' worst enemies when it comes to self improvement.

[KorbenDallas]

Sex is good for you're brain, you're neurons, you're heart, and keeping you're stress levels in check. I spend sometimes 8 hours a day on a computer making money, if I didn't have sex, I would literally go insane.

Sex is an important aspect of a healthy lifestyle. I am a nerd. I also love sex. Fuck this guy.

[peterthephoenix]

May the crabs stay in the bucket.

[Glider]

"where guys think they need to be having sex with girls in order to be happy and fulfilled"

Maybe someone should show this moron Maslows hierachy of needs where sex is listed next to food water breathing shitting and homeostasis.

[RouteBackwards]

(05-28-2014 01:19 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

"No, not the straw man that all men are constantly plotting rape, but that we live in an entitlement culture where guys think they need to be having sex with girls in order to be happy and fulfilled."

^^You ever read something so wrong, so fucked up, so convoluted, so off...that you don't even know where to start?

Sex isn't about happiness and fulfillment.

Sex is about SEX.

WIA

I had a dry spell. I felt down on myself for not getting laid. Then, I got laid and busted on this porn star looking white girls face. She had gorgeous tits, but looked even sexier when she had that cum pouring down her face.

I felt like I needed to do this for some reason beyond my control (Chu's explanation: entitlement).

Patriarchy gonna patriarchy.

[RockHard]

So people are going to take the word of a virgin as authoritative on the subject of sex? SMH.

I don't even know where to begin with this. All I can say is that Arthur Chu proves that "nerd" is not the same as "intelligent".

[Samseau]

^

[Christian McQueen]

I laugh when a fuck like this says something like this.

Why?

Because while he's at home jerking off to a hot chick, I'm actually banging her.

Let the losers (and by 'losers' I mean: guys who REFUSE to see the light and better themselves in ALL areas of their life including game) paint themselves into a sexless corner, while the rest of us have great consensual sex with beautiful women.

[Samseau]

(05-28-2014 07:21 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

I laugh when a fuck like this says something like this.

Why?

Because while he's at home jerking off to a hot chick, I'm actually banging her.

Let the losers (and by 'losers' I mean: guys who REFUSE to see the light and better themselves in ALL areas of their life including game) paint themselves into a sexless corner, while the rest of us have great consensual sex with beautiful women.

The problem with losers like this is that they will eventually snap and become violent, Sodoni or Rodgers style.

All I can say is enjoy these decadent times while they last. Because it cannot last.

[Christian McQueen]

"The problem with losers like this is that they will eventually snap and become violent, Sodoni or Rodgers style."

This may be true, but then we already know what the 'answer' is/will be: GUN CONTROL!!!!!

Take away Guns, Sex and Men and the world will have peace.

[Samseau]

(05-28-2014 07:27 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

"The problem with losers like this is that they will eventually snap and become violent, Sodoni or Rodgers style."

This may be true, but then we already know what the 'answer' is/will be: GUN CONTROL!!!!!

Take away Guns, Sex and Men and the world will have peace.

That's right, men were never violent before guns. True story

[Parlay44]

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Then he brings up a classic scene from Revenge of The Nerds, where the protagonist sleeps with a sorority girl wearing a mask, tricking her into thinking she's boffing her bf.

Isn't that rape by today's standards

[placer]

I was about to post this article here, but Tommy Eyes beat me to the punch. Here's my teardown of this pathetic article.

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men are taught that women are things to “earn,” to “win.”

No, actually, it's called biology. Men who do not seek out sex with women don't have children and their genes end up dying. Any culture that attempts to shame men for desiring sexual intercourse with women will last precisely one generation. That's not my cultural standard. That's objective science.

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[incels -- involuntary celibate men] “do everything right,” they get good grades, they get a decent job, and that wife they were promised in the package deal doesn’t arrive

This is a big problem that our society has. Roosh and any other regular here 100% agree that it's a big problem in our society today that men are having problems finding women who will have sex with them. The solution we came up with is called game.

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a guy in college stalks a girl, leave her unsolicited gifts and finally when she tells him to quit it makes him leave an angry post about her “shallowness” and “cruelty” on Facebook.

This is what we call oneitis around here, and anyone who knows game knows to not engage in that kind of behavior.

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he has fan pages on Facebook that still haven’t been taken down

Why is it that liberal extremists always insist on censoring speech which they do not like?

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we live in an entitlement culture where guys think they need to be having sex with girls in order to be happy and fulfilled

Again, and I am repeating myself, the reason why we're in a culture where men want to have sex with women is because cultures where men do not have sex with women do not last very long.

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other people’s bodies and other people’s love are not something that can be taken nor even something that can be earned [...] He didn’t need to get laid. None of us nerdy frustrated guys need to get laid.

Again, anyone who knows game agrees with you. Game is the opposite of the entitlement culture. Game teaches me that, if I want pussy in my life, I have to work very hard to get there: Becoming physically fit. Learning how to dress well. Learning to lose my fear of approaching girls -- something feminists and white knights (as an aside, this kind of white knight behavior is a form of cock blocking) don't want me to do. Learning to accept rejection and moving on.

Game is not easy. But, unlike this white knight drivel, it has positive results.

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In terms of the comments, I only skimmed them, but one "retrogamer76" summarized this article well: "Nothing but male shaming from a blue-pill beta male".

Here is the comment from one clueless woman:

fat chick Wrote:

Speaking as a nerd woman, I have been rejected many times before, leading to decreased feelings of self-worth. However, there isn't really help available to women with this problem either (besides the typical route of talking with friends about the situation, and maybe a good helping of ice cream)

(Emphasis mine)

OK, honey, here's some help for you: Stop eating ice cream. Stop having a mindset that food will make you feel better. Control your weight. If your BMI was 25 or under, you would be having a lot more guys chasing you. Fat acceptance is just so much bullshit, which like much of feminist bullshit, ignores basic biology.

Edit The lady who posted this article in my Facebook feed is a woman who was a solid 6, maybe 6.5, before she hit the wall; she's about a 4 right now, mainly because she chose to not maintain her body.

[Kingsley Davis]

(05-28-2014 07:25 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(05-28-2014 07:21 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

I laugh when a fuck like this says something like this.

Why?

Because while he's at home jerking off to a hot chick, I'm actually banging her.

Let the losers (and by 'losers' I mean: guys who REFUSE to see the light and better themselves in ALL areas of their life including game) paint themselves into a sexless corner, while the rest of us have great consensual sex with beautiful women.

The problem with losers like this is that they will eventually snap and become violent, Sodoni or Rodgers style.

All I can say is enjoy these decadent times while they last. Because it cannot last.

Conflicted wether to revel or mourn in Western Civilization's demise. A lot of explaining to be done in the after life to the Ancients.

[CRR]

Everything Arthur Chu says could be reversed and apply to fat and unfeminine women. Except feminists would throw a tantrum.

So basically what we've learned from these fucking idiots in the last week is that nerds don't deserve nor are entitled to love whereas obese women are entitled to not only love, but to have men chase after them (Louis CK show). Their hypocrisy and how they treat low-status women versus low-status men is mind boggling, but not surprising.

[Nonpareil]

- Uses a reference to a movie to make a point.
- Conflates sex with fulfillment and happiness.
- Other than a pithy, nebulous 'Grow up' at the end, wallows in despair and offers no solutions to any of the problems outlined (you know what's 'grown up'? Sex with women).
- Mentions 'Rape Culture'.
- Links to Jezebel.

My question: Can we be absolutely sure this wasn't written by a woman?

[AntiTrace]

Again someone tries to hide behind a label to relieve them of their faults.

You could probably say I'm a nerd.

If I'm not out at night, I'm probably in front of my computer with a jack and coke solving math problems for fun.
A night of sitting around with a couple guys and programming shit? Sign me up.

But I also know how to dress. I know how to interact in social situations. I know how to escalate. I know how to push-pull. I know how to maintain my frame. I know how to shut a girl down when she steps out of her boundaries.

Smart + game = intelligent, witty, sexy guy
Smart + no game = dude that wears star trek t-shirts and wonders why he can't get laid. A nerd.

His problem isn't being a nerd. It's a lack of game. Simple.

[CRR]

(05-29-2014 07:29 AM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

Again someone tries to hide behind a label to relieve them of their faults.

You could probably say I'm a nerd.

If I'm not out at night, I'm probably in front of my computer with a jack and coke solving math problems for fun.
A night of sitting around with a couple guys and programming shit? Sign me up.

But I also know how to dress. I know how to interact in social situations. I know how to escalate. I know how to push-pull. I know how to maintain my frame. I know how to shut a girl down when she steps out of her boundaries.

Smart + game = intelligent, witty, sexy guy
Smart + no game = dude that wears star trek t-shirts and wonders why he can't get laid. A nerd.

His problem isn't being a nerd. It's a lack of game. Simple.

Agreed.

What is interesting is that these people criticize us for using terms like "alpha, beta and omega" yet they still cling to the jock-nerd stereotype.

Thing is, we frown upon betas and omegas for their pathetic behavior but wish they would change. On the other hand, they hold nerds, or to put it better "socially awkward" men in extreme contempt. Remember the meme "Nice Guys Of OK Cupid"? It was those sites (Jezebel, Gawker, etc.) posting photos of supposed nice guys of OKC who complained about not getting laid. Fine. But one would think they would have more empathy considering their victimization mentality. After all, these were guys just frustrated that they couldn't get laid. Imagine if there were a "Fat Girls Of OK Cupid" meme, they would've lost their collective minds. Oh wait, they did during Fat Shaming week. They shame the socially awkward, basically guys who need to work on their social skills and overall self improvement, and it is apparently awesome. But to shame a bunch of fat, entitled women to do the same is apparently a crime.

We acknowledge that a social hierarchy exists, they do only when it is convenient for their argument.

EDIT: Their contempt for 'nerds' is so blatant that the three Asian MEN who were stabbed to death by Elliot Rodger have been virtually ignored.

[RockHard]

(05-28-2014 07:35 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

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Then he brings up a classic scene from Revenge of The Nerds, where the protagonist sleeps with a sorority girl wearing a mask, tricking her into thinking she's boffing her bf.

Isn't that rape by today's standards

Yep. I want to start a thread about 80's movies. At the time I didn't see it, but there's some shit you'd never get away with today. The whole conversation about sex that ends up with Judd Nelson confronting Molly Ringwald about whether she's a virgin [ url]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088847/quot...=qt0475613[/url]? Never get away with that today.

(05-29-2014 03:37 AM)Nonpareil Wrote:  

My question: Can we be absolutely sure this wasn't written by a woman?

Arthur Chu is basically a woman anyway, so yes, it was.

(05-29-2014 07:29 AM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

A night of sitting around with a couple guys and programming shit? Sign me up.

That makes you a "brogrammer" - a guy who knows how to code but refuses to conform to the stereotype. But I agree, it's completely about game. The sad thing is that some guys out there read this and take it seriously and then suffer through the cognitive dissonance.

[RockHard]

(05-29-2014 09:05 AM)CRR Wrote:  

Remember the meme "Nice Guys Of OK Cupid"? It was those sites (Jezebel, Gawker, etc.) posting photos of supposed nice guys of OKC who complained about not getting laid.

That's why women react so strongly about the UCSB shooter. It confirms their "creep sense" was right all along and all these nice guys are just psychos trying to disguise their psychosis and trick these poor women into something terrible.

(05-29-2014 09:05 AM)CRR Wrote:  

EDIT: Their contempt for 'nerds' is so blatant that the three Asian MEN who were stabbed to death by Elliot Rodger have been virtually ignored.

Yep. If he had stopped with the roommates, it'd be a non-event. Because the psycho targeted random women, OMG the sky is falling!

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Nonpareil Wrote:

My question: Can we be absolutely sure this wasn't written by a woman?

RockHard Wrote:

Arthur Chu is basically a woman anyway, so yes, it was.

[El Chinito loco]

A lot of asian-american men are extreme passive-aggressive betas like this. That's just the unfortunate truth. A lot of other ethnicities can get away with not knowing of game or red pill truths until far later in life but for asian men in America it can have devastating consequences from the get go.