[MY DETROIT PLAYAS]

(05-27-2014 01:38 PM)BrokenTV Wrote:  

I know many in the Game community say women post 35 are Harvey Wallbangers not worth the time, but I'd rather fuck a fit woman who is about 40 than try to pick up some snotty "college educated" 25 year old.

Mid twenties to mid thirties have been Cultural Marxist/Feminist ruined for me. I have never in my life had any success with them sexually.

20? Yep. 40? Yep? 33? I might as well cut my cock and balls off and join
a monastery. Man, is the hamster spinning, man do they have unrealistic explanations.

@WIA - LOL, thanks for taking us through a quick review of the next two decades of whoredom for the average American chick

Needed that laugh

Very much on point
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One of the main problems I see with some women (25-35) is that they still seek approval; grown women who are still worried about what their families think about their decisions: socially, economically, and career-wise.

She feels fully in-charge in the office/boardroom, directing her subordinates around with the authority and confidence of a power tripping Gloria Allred. But yet - the scorn of her mom still makes her cower beneath her desk like a 3 yr old.

They live and die based on what family/society/media tells them that they SHOULD be doing at any given stage in their lives.

The more "empowered" and "independent" they become; the more scripted their lives become

[draketton]

(05-29-2014 07:25 AM)Mage Wrote:  

25-35 is a span of a whole 10 years. That is close to half the time window the average non-fat woman is attractive and legal.

If you surrender on close to 50% of bangable women then the problem is most likely your game, not the women.

I wouldn't be content to pass on close to 50% of all bangable women. I believe you should lift some limiting beliefs and change your game or attitude.

the better your game is the more picky you can afford to be

[Kieran]

(05-29-2014 08:50 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 07:25 AM)Mage Wrote:  

25-35 is a span of a whole 10 years. That is close to half the time window the average non-fat woman is attractive and legal.

If you surrender on close to 50% of bangable women then the problem is most likely your game, not the women.

I wouldn't be content to pass on close to 50% of all bangable women. I believe you should lift some limiting beliefs and change your game or attitude.

I must respectfully disagree.

What you are saying is akin to "You're missing out on 95% of cars in this world by only driving Porsches/Lamborghinis/Ferraris…therefore you have bad taste in cars and don't know how to drive run of the mill, shitty ones".

There is absolutely nothing better about 25-35 year old women than younger ones (from a purely sexual, game perspective) imho. It's not like there's a shortage either; millions more 18 year olds appear every year!

For me even an average looking girl next door 18 year old beats an attractive 25 year old. I don't know what it is about them, they're just different.

[Saweeep]

(05-29-2014 12:23 PM)Kieran Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 08:50 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 07:25 AM)Mage Wrote:  

25-35 is a span of a whole 10 years. That is close to half the time window the average non-fat woman is attractive and legal.

If you surrender on close to 50% of bangable women then the problem is most likely your game, not the women.

I wouldn't be content to pass on close to 50% of all bangable women. I believe you should lift some limiting beliefs and change your game or attitude.

I must respectfully disagree.

What you are saying is akin to "You're missing out on 95% of cars in this world by only driving Porsches/Lamborghinis/Ferraris…therefore you have bad taste in cars and don't know how to drive run of the mill, shitty ones".

There is absolutely nothing better about 25-35 year old women than younger ones (from a purely sexual, game perspective) imho. It's not like there's a shortage either; millions more 18 year olds appear every year!

For me even an average looking girl next door 18 year old beats an attractive 25 year old. I don't know what it is about them, they're just different.

100%. I'd take an 18 year old 6 over a 25 year old 8 without a moment's hesitation.

[AussieGoneSolo]

Slammed a 21 y/o (i am 34) and she was shit... although hot as hell... nice firm perky boobs... tight pussy and ass... just was constantly distracted and second guessing her skills/her self.

give me the older ones... They ar generally more horny and know what to do... younger ones struggle

[Mage]

(05-29-2014 04:57 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 12:23 PM)Kieran Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 08:50 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 07:25 AM)Mage Wrote:  

25-35 is a span of a whole 10 years. That is close to half the time window the average non-fat woman is attractive and legal.

If you surrender on close to 50% of bangable women then the problem is most likely your game, not the women.

I wouldn't be content to pass on close to 50% of all bangable women. I believe you should lift some limiting beliefs and change your game or attitude.

I must respectfully disagree.

What you are saying is akin to "You're missing out on 95% of cars in this world by only driving Porsches/Lamborghinis/Ferraris…therefore you have bad taste in cars and don't know how to drive run of the mill, shitty ones".

There is absolutely nothing better about 25-35 year old women than younger ones (from a purely sexual, game perspective) imho. It's not like there's a shortage either; millions more 18 year olds appear every year!

For me even an average looking girl next door 18 year old beats an attractive 25 year old. I don't know what it is about them, they're just different.

100%. I'd take an 18 year old 6 over a 25 year old 8 without a moment's hesitation.

Guys of course I agree that girls below 25 are inherently better then girls above 25, but the OP said that he does women as high as 40, but he has problems with 25-35 range.

It would make sense to just hunt for below 25, but going for 18-24 and 36+ while ignoring 25-35 is what I was talking about. Makes no sense to hunt for a 40 year old and ignore a hot 30 year old if you like her, but if you have installed a limiting belief that 25-35 is not for you.

[Kieran]

^ For me, there's something about some older women that I find really attractive, maybe it's a fetish or something. 18 - 20 is my favourite age range of course, and I wouldn't consider anything more than casual sex with an older woman, but I still find them more attractive than the intermediate age range, which just look like less hot versions of their younger selves. If it's relevant, I'm 30, and thinking about it I don't think I've ever really found women around my own age that attractive, except when I was 17-18 at college.

I'm not saying I wouldn't bang if they were on a plate, I just prefer to spend my time chasing younger women (with the occasional older woman for good measure).

Edited to add that I only like the occasional older woman, I'm not saying that older women in general are better looking than the intermediate age range.

[OBJ Snakebite]

(05-27-2014 01:36 PM)calihunter Wrote:  

there is a wise Russian saying that goes "Plohimu tancoru yaitsa meshayut" -- best translation: Bad dancer blames his balls

I'm Russian, so the translation bothers me. It's: for a bad dancer even his balls get in the way.

Sorry to interrupt, carry on.

[Catch 22]

I'm with the OP. My last two notches, for example, were a 28 year old and a 23 year old. 28 year old was much better in bed (experience) but headache. 23 year old was much more tolerable but less fun back home. Guess the 28's are better for pump and dump and the 23's are worth keeping around a bit and teaching them a thing or two.

[CJ]

This thread makes no sense. The girls in the "post-college" age bracket are some of the best to run game on. They'll often buy into the shit you tell them, because they're to the point they want to settle down. OR on the flip side of the coin, some are getting out of LTRs and are ready for that great no strings attached fun trying to make up for lost time.

Most are not interested in someone in their early 20s though. Unless you really have your shit together.

[kazushu]

Ages 26+ in the "Western" Countries I've been to the women are getting desperate for a LTR and like anyone who doesn't have their inner shit together and who is desperate they start to thrash around trying to prove their "power." I guess they get the equivalent of the "small man syndrome." Actually the same is true of Western women that I meet in SE Asia of that age and over.

Less than 25-26 and they may still come across as entitled but they don't have the desperation mentality (gotta deal with the other bullshit though) which keeps getting worse until about 33 when some sort of weariness sets in. By 35 they're either bitter or resigned. By 40 it's just sad.

Generally for something with a bit of longevity I like 'em around 23-24 where they're not as completely dumb and I can train them up. For straight short term sex well, no one complains about 18-22 year olds that I know of but my time is of more value than to be a preschool teacher to them so to LTR. I've never met a "mature" 18-22 year old.

[advert-ugghh]

Been getting SERIOUS attention from 17 through 45. I'm 28.

I noticed it happened much more when I grew my beard out.

17 yr old asked me out to coffee in my hometown barista..Kinda thought "wow, this is bad pr", and passed.

45 yr old women look at me. Mehhh..Just teaches me more about their divorce tactics, nothing more.

My sweet spot is 21-24 of course.

[sexysasquatch]

(05-29-2014 09:14 AM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  

One of the main problems I see with some women (25-35) is that they still seek approval; grown women who are still worried about what their families think about their decisions: socially, economically, and career-wise.

She feels fully in-charge in the office/boardroom, directing her subordinates around with the authority and confidence of a power tripping Gloria Allred. But yet - the scorn of her mom still makes her cower beneath her desk like a 3 yr old.

They live and die based on what family/society/media tells them that they SHOULD be doing at any given stage in their lives.

Whats wrong with a woman or a man for that matter consulting their mom/family for career and economic advice? Even social advice I'd expect a red pill place like this to be pro family when it comes to people to listen for major life decisions like romance and dating.

[sexysasquatch]

(05-30-2014 03:58 AM)Kieran Wrote:  

^ For me, there's something about some older women that I find really attractive, maybe it's a fetish or something. 18 - 20 is my favourite age range of course, and I wouldn't consider anything more than casual sex with an older woman, but I still find them more attractive than the intermediate age range, which just look like less hot versions of their younger selves. If it's relevant, I'm 30, and thinking about it I don't think I've ever really found women around my own age that attractive, except when I was 17-18 at college.

I'm not saying I wouldn't bang if they were on a plate, I just prefer to spend my time chasing younger women (with the occasional older woman for good measure).

Edited to add that I only like the occasional older woman, I'm not saying that older women in general are better looking than the intermediate age range.

I think it might be because older women are very attentive to details that younger women typically ignore, but that become more visible as the younger woman becomes intermediate age like 25-35.

For example: Arm hair and the mustache:

18-25 (approximately) - usually doesn't bother shaving arm hair and isn't so apparent because estrogen levels are still very high and testosterone is low. Also her cute youthfulness/naiveté/great body make you ignore her other imperfections.

25-35 - estrogen levels start to fall and testosterone starts to take over more. Arm hair level and mustache increase, but girl doesn't do much about it as often.

35+ - estrogen levels really cratering, but arms are pristine because she shaves religiously. The mustache doesn't exist because she gets facials/manipedi/waxing every day. Bleaches her poop hole.

[Goldmund]

When I first meet a girl and she says her age is under 24, I immediately respond "Oooo, my favorite! I'm gonna get along with you" and she always responds positively and asks why.

I say that girls her age are so much fun, don't have the stress and problems of older women, and are still soft and perky. Then I touch her (sometimes right in the boob if the vibe is right).

Its a much used and 100% successful weapon in my game arsenal.

[blacknwhitespade]

I'm a 32yo guy, I get lots of 28-30somethings coming after me. Many of them require zero game, at least initially. 29 is especially an age when many females go into full-blown husband hunting mode, if they aren't fun or don't have much to offer, they can really turn me off with their adamance. Some of the post-30 ones are newly-liberated and fun to date, however, I've been switching strategies lately and trying to aim for more 23-27 year olds. Attractive mid-20s women are quite busy, have options, have lofty standards, I'm reading Day Bang to add some moxy into my language to get after these girls more.

[Distant Light]

Since I was about 19, I've always loved chicks over 25+...

There is something about undeveloped chicks in the age range of 18-22 that sort of annoys me, as if they never seen a MAN before. (I have no problem actually attracting chicks at any age) Thing is for me I like my women to actually LOOK LIKE WOMEN and have some experience with men.

Keep in mind, I'm not talking about some mid 20s-30s chick you find on an elderly cruise or walmart. I'm talking about chicks who are HOT ENOUGH to still be in some of the top venues. Why?
- More money to dress hotter/elegant
- No roommates
- Oozes "sensual" sex appeal
- Has a social life outside of ME














The only age I purposely avoid is chicks under 21, I had a horrible experience where I seen old pictures of a chick who was 19 when I met her. It was a picture of her at disney world and she looked 12. (yuck!!)

Also when, I look at old pictures of certain chicks when they were younger they looked unattractive (most high fashion model chicks are wierd looking when young)

[RUIN]

(05-31-2014 09:46 PM)Catch 22 Wrote:  

I'm with the OP. My last two notches, for example, were a 28 year old and a 23 year old. 28 year old was much better in bed (experience) but headache. 23 year old was much more tolerable but less fun back home. Guess the 28's are better for pump and dump and the 23's are worth keeping around a bit and teaching them a thing or two.

exactly - the younger ones provide more incentive to work on because they will actually learn (assuming your game is tight and you can keep them off their goddamn smartphones)

the older ones have some inherent skills but more often than not are set in their ways (sometimes its good) but when its bad it suuuuuuuuuucks. Not to mention they always seem to be "sooo busy" which boils down to piss-poor time management and fucked up priorities.

as for tolerance they have the overall same crap levels just different types. the younger ones are usually spouting "YOLO" or variations of, whereas the older ones try regurgitating quotes to sound oh so wise (and that Marylin Munroe quote has been used to death)

[Suits]

26-36 is definitely the worst age to game here in China.

I target sluts who have had a couple foreign boyfriends already. I steer clear of virgins or near virgins as they are all husband shopping and are going to get their souls demolished if I game them.

From 18-26, the sluts aren't quite ready to look for marriage, since they've usually only recently escaped the clutches of their parents and are looking for a good time until age 30 starts coming up fast.

By 26-27, they want to lock a guy down fast so that they can have a quit marriage before 30, as the wall is universally acknowledged in Chinese society.

At some point, slutting it up with foreign guys and generally being terrible at relationships catches up with them and sooner or later they accept that they aren't going to lockdown the man of their dreams and then it's back to having a damn good time. It varies per girl, but generally the hamster can spin pretty strong until at least 36 or later.

I'm banging this 34 year old who likes it rough and she's told me that now that she's older, she plans on slowing down in her search for someone to wife her up, so that she can be sure to find the right one. Haha.

I just talked on the phone today with a 28 year old I'm trying to bang who told me that just became a lot more serious about "relationships" when she turned 28. It sucks, because now I'm going to have to sell myself as a "serious guy" if I wanna bang her.

She's been playing her cards carefully. It took two dates and two group outings in addition to the party where I met her to get a single kiss out of her. From the stories she's told me from a couple years ago, if I'd met her two years earlier, we would have easily been banging on the first date.

Normally, I wouldn't put up with that type of garbage, but she's got the nicest ass my friend and I have seen on a Chinese girl in a long time and we made a deal that at least one of us has to bang her. Since I'm getting regular pussy from other sources, I can afford to jump through a few hoops, although she's going to need to put out soon enough, because there are other prospects out there who are just as deserving of anal sex.

[iknowexactly]

(05-27-2014 03:41 PM)unbowed Wrote:  

I knew a few girls like this in university who were pumping out 5 internships by 21. They were soulkilled before 23. Their charm is gone. They have tits but are running on a masculine OS.
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+1 for great expression.

[jariel]

(05-29-2014 12:03 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(05-27-2014 12:58 PM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  

The girls 25-35 (I'm 23) annoy the hell out of me. I like young girls the most obviously (18-21) but I'll go for a layup now and again. I've done girls as high as 40. The girl who was 40 was in great shape and absolutely loved pleasing me. The girls who are young are carefree, tight, bubbly, and full of life. I just cut loose with a girl who was 27, who, was by any objective measure, a good catch based on looks, but sheez I couldn't handle the bs.

These girls are toxic. If they were mature they would have found a man when they were young. It's not my or anyone's responsibility to save a ho.

Just venting, but anyone else have the same experience? I've read about this age group acting shitty, but this is my first experience with it, so, I figured I'd make a thread about it and hear from some other's experience with this age range. I'm not in America, but I can imagine the American girls in this age range make for some good stories from players who have pumped and dumped them.

They're older than you, that's problem #1

25-28 - her last hurrah in terms of finding a "suitable" match.

Most think they're in their prime, but the prime was at least 5 years ago when she was still in college with much less emotional baggage and willingness to compromise and bend. Her friends are getting married left and right. If she has to go to another destination wedding.....

29-33 - well now she's gonna get "serious". She's still running with the stragglers from her college set, but she's the best of them all, can't everyone see that?!? She has to make new friends from work. They'll do for now. Someone to swap big cock stories and new diet plans over cosmos.

She was still dating the wrong guys from 25-28.
She thinks, "30 isn't too old right, by 32 I can pop out at least 1 healthy kid. 31...?"

34+ - Back on the carousel, unless of course she goes Lez or Christian, or starts really dating down - much more willing to do the alpha/beta split, instead of holding out for the Alpha Provider/Dream Boat/Man who doesn't exist. By now, her little sister and most of her friends have children (and fabulous jobs or something). Gasp, she's got grey cunt hairs....the horror.

All of this assumes that she hasn't put on the post college 20 lbs. (she already put on the freshman 15).

Paradoxically, the less desirable she becomes to all men, but in particular the ones that she craves, the more likely it is her standards will go up.

Sure, she'll get pounded out by the hunky bartender if she stays past closing, and her legs are always open for the past Alphas - especially the ones that got away, but her realistic prospects - like that uncool guy in accounting will get put through the wringer, before she consents to being pawed by a guy with a 401K and a paunch.

Eventually though, she will wed her true love. Some balding and pudgy beta who was too scared to act on the game advice he'd read 15 years earlier.

She will of course divorce him and the love of her life will be used to hammer the poor schlub with child support payments. And she's really going to slut it out in her cougar phase.

On her PoF profile
"I'm not looking for sex"
"Not racist, but no black, Latino, Asian, Indian, or short guys - it's just my preference"
"If you can't handle me at my worst....."

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Not that I'm telling you something you don't already know comrade.

WIA

[Dr. Howard]

I agree with this, age 25 they are a few years out of college and have been beaten down and turned jaded, except instead of losing all hope and being carefree they go into beta husband hunting mode...ie, exerting control over men, or 'career mode' and turn into bitchy workaholics.

Age 34-36 they are either married, getting a first divorce or hopeless about starting a family. The personable ones have a 'fuck it' attitude towards life and status and are good to casually hang around with. They don't usually care about what other girls think, what their parent think etc.

Under 23 girls still have some optimism but man, 25-34 they all think they are some hot shit rookie know it all like Maverick in Top Gun.

[heavy]

(10-10-2014 04:46 AM)Suits Wrote:  

...
I'm banging this 34 year old who likes it rough and she's told me that now that she's older, she plans on slowing down in her search for someone to wife her up, so that she can be sure to find the right one. Haha.

I just talked on the phone today with a 28 year old I'm trying to bang who told me that just became a lot more serious about "relationships" when she turned 28. It sucks, because now I'm going to have to sell myself as a "serious guy" if I wanna bang her.
...

This made me chuckle. I didn't know we had so much in common.

[jariel]

(10-10-2014 04:46 AM)Suits Wrote:  

I just talked on the phone today with a 28 year old I'm trying to bang who told me that just became a lot more serious about "relationships" when she turned 28. It sucks, because now I'm going to have to sell myself as a "serious guy" if I wanna bang her.

She's been playing her cards carefully. It took two dates and two group outings in addition to the party where I met her to get a single kiss out of her. From the stories she's told me from a couple years ago, if I'd met her two years earlier, we would have easily been banging on the first date.

Normally, I wouldn't put up with that type of garbage, but she's got the nicest ass my friend and I have seen on a Chinese girl in a long time and we made a deal that at least one of us has to bang her. Since I'm getting regular pussy from other sources, I can afford to jump through a few hoops, although she's going to need to put out soon enough, because there are other prospects out there who are just as deserving of anal sex.

I don't know, your actions suggest a guy who's thirsty, not a guy who's swimming in pussy.

The fact that you know she's a hoe bag, yet you're allowing her to reinvent herself into something she never was and you're willing to "jump through hoops" just because she has "the nicest ass" says a lot.

I can't speak for other players, but I'm sure most who call themselves that and are legit, would have already nexted such a chick -- yours truly wouldn't have given it a second thought.

There are never terms where it's appropriate for a man to allow a woman to make him jump through hoops; you are playing the game by her rules, which means you've already lost.

[trainwreck]

I'm in EE and the last girl I was dating was 19yo when we started. Lots of BS. Extreme insecurities, accused of all kinds of stuff, sex withdrawal, cheating from both sides, the list goes on.

However, right now I'm seeing a 16yo girl, who looks a bit older than she is and has had quite a lot of experience (lived in 3 countries) and a 25yo who just came out of a 6yr relationship.

I'm still not happy enough however, I'm looking to find a 3rd regular girl in the 19-21 range, which is the sweet spot for me IMO.

But man, I can tell you, I prefer the 16yo a lot more than the 25yo. Baggage is minimal, she's in extremely good shape as she does yoga 3x a week and works out. Quality of sex initially doesn't really matter as long as her motivation to learn is high and I can be extremely relaxed around her, while you can tell the 25yo is judging my ability to provide for possible offspring at any time we're hanging out together.

The other day I was talking to some 26yo russian girl here and she bluntly put it to me: "I'm 26 and all I want is a baby!". Mind you, she said this after complaining about her cheating jerk of boyfriend and suggesting for me to go to lunch with her. #redflag

So all in all, I agree. 25-35-> Baby making time-> You get tested 10000x.