[Christian McQueen]

Not enough to put a condom on, but enough effort to pull out.

[General Stalin]

I hate when bitches lie, and I'm certainly no bitch, so I don't lie. I got nothing to hide - if she is going to start asking question that are too prying for a girl I barely know then I'll keep information scarce or just tell her straight that he doesn't need to know that, but I certainly am not one to bullshit about who I am or what I do. I'm an interesting enough guy in real life and I'm not afraid of a girl knowing "the real me."

Besides, I treat women well and don't give them a reason to be malicious towards me. As far as answering the OP:

It honestly depends on the girl/situation/how I'm feeling. I have no real serious boundaries or rules on how many resources I'm willing to give up(within reason, obviously). If a girl is good looking and sweet but does not drive then I am cool with driving to her. I'm a home field advantage kind of guy so I prefer a girl to drive to my place, and maybe make some dinner or we'll grab some take out (I'm fine doing it on my dime). I like girls to be traditional so it'd be pretty hypocritical of me if I didn't show a couple gentleman qualities.

If she becomes a "regular girl" then it really depends on her at that point - I have a couple girls in regular rotation, but one I am willing to go more out of my way for just because she is sweeter and we get along better. The other one I will pull dick head moves on hit her up late at night to drive over fuck then leave in the morning, but that's because she is kind of flaky and hanging out with her isn't quite as fun as the other girl. I have not invested a thing into that girl.

What it comes down to is what you value in the interaction with a woman. Do you just want to get a nut so a pussy is a pussy, or do you genuinely appreciate interacting and spending time with a female? I for one like spending some quality time with a woman here and there. If a girl is dull as fuck and just good for railing and bailing then it is what it is and I'll act accordingly, but if a girl is decent to talk to and whatnot then I'm perfectly willing to appreciate all the aspects of our getting together including the joking, flirting, getting to know eachother, etc.

I generally try to be good in bed and give the girl something - especially because I like to enjoy sex and not simply nut and dismount, and I'm also no too fond of one night stands so I like to think girls I bang I will bang again. If the girl is particularly fine and I get off quick then I'll go back for seconds so we can have a longer bang sesh.

[Dalaran1991]

Be honorable with honorable MEN. With women I don't care who she is, they love lies and manipulation. Even when they know you are lying they still love it, it's like a game to them. The more you avoid the answer the more they will get hooked. Jesus, my fuck buddy is a lawyer and I tell her all the shit like how I'm a yakuza, only here for sex and drug etc. She knows I'm full of shit but every chance she got she's nagging "no please, who are you really???" You dont here lawyer girls saying please. On the contrary every fucking time in the past I felt like "she's a good girl, I should be honest with her" the girls run away like their asses are on fire.

For sex I believe it's a man duty to always fuck like it's your last fuck. The girl doesn't matter. Fuck until your dick bleeds, then fuck some more. It's like going to the gym. I don't care if the gym sucks or you are feeling tired, you are obligated to give it your best performance. If the girl is pretty and you enjoy her then it serves as motivation for you to fuck, but if the girl is meh doesn't mean you can slack it, you just have less motivation. It's great discipline training.

Also it helps to keep fuck buddies. I learned that from other senior members here and it worked great for me. If the girl enjoys sex she can't get enough of you.

[AneroidOcean]

(04-29-2014 02:38 AM)TonySandos Wrote:  

You guys are underestimating the utility of lying in everyday circumstance. Reflect on every last interaction of you day. Omission, white lies, misdirection, distraction. All examples of real lying. You lie more than you think you do.

Yes, lying is the only necessary tool, but lying has its place and always will. You have to get real with yourself and understand the true nature of lying. It's embedded in all modern interaction. Take where I live for example and what I learned from it. I spend a lot of my time with friends from the harder areas around here, for them lying on some level means survival. The clever make it further.

Look, I'm a reformist of the dark triad worship myself. I think its over hyped in these circles and I'm a dark triad/asshole natural that's saying this. The reality is that until you look deeply into the nature of lying, you won't ever understand its necessity, or abundance.

This "agree and amplify" model many preach on - a lie
Jokes used to change topic/persuade/distract - lies
Any technique you use to hold onto you money from a woman is by default a lie. A fully honest talk would always involve at some point her asking for some of your physical assets.

You'll have to lie almost every time she's below your league. If she makes a foolish remark out of miseducation or ignorance, you'll lie to avoid blowing it out of proportion. Why throw away all that time spent and work used to crumble a good vibe? We all do this.

You're equating many things to lying that are not, by definition. Are some of them related? Sure. Are they all lies? No.

Being able to communicate what you want, how you want to share is not the same as a falsehood/fabrication. Also, agreeing and amplifying is basically teasing someone. Joking around and being non-serious is not lying. Lying has a pretty specific definition, you can't just decide it means this cornucopia of things.

[TonySandos]

Whenever you KNOW that you are likely to portray a falsehood with your actions or words, or if you ARE CONSCIOUS that your gestures/words/attitude/demeanor are highly probable to misinform, then what is it?

I'm not about to argue and derail over this.

[Foolsgo1d]

Depends on the girl. If she doesn't swallow or at least likes the man juice then my eagerness for fun goes down. I like dirty/trashy girls for this reason.

Unenthusiastic girls are a turn off, even with a good body. Same result, my eagerness runs dry.



Normally if we like each other, have a laugh and the sex is good I will leave her more than satisfied and get a few more liaisons out of it. I could do with a regular girl thats a match for me but doesn't want a relationship and I figure this is an angle I could work to my advantage.