Quote: (04-21-2014 08:24 AM)Blackliter Wrote:
Quote: (04-21-2014 05:16 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:
You need to attack the problem, not fix the symptoms of the problem.
If she throws up resistance, you have to get her to feel comfortable, for her to ADVOCATE FOR YOU.
You might be sharp enough to shoot down everyone of her concerns or play them off for a laugh, but if she's not on YOUR SIDE, when her war pig/wildebeest friend comes along, your chick will meekly be lead away. You have to "empower" her to make the right decision, to choose you, and not her man, friends, family, culture, country, music affiliation, reliigion.
That's why old school pick up had you put chicks in the position to role play with you, to create that special bubble. Once you're inside of her mind, she's not going to be on the defensive against you, but against the world.
Cause what you have is special...at least for a night.
WIA
Can you give us an example or two WIA to show what you mean? I understand what you're trying to say, just don't know how to accomplish it..Would appreciate it.
Glad you asked.
In the sequence
1) go out
2) see chick
3) step up to chick
4) get her attention
5) open her
Open means that she's amenable to talking.
If you're doing indirect, in most cases you haven't come out and said, Hey I'm interested in involving you in a nice A2M scenario, how do you feel about Fleet brand Enemas?
Or if you are doing direct, then you said the above word for word.
So as you're enticing her, joking with her, teasing her, you're also getting her logistics
- who she came with
- how long she's gonna stay
- how she got to the venue (shared a ride, took a cab, public transport)
- her housing situation - by herself, roomie, parents, husband
So in parallel
- you're having fun
- you're getting logistics info
But there's a third piece.
In most cases, a chick doesn't come alone, and sometimes she is more inclined to leave with the people that she came with. Understandably, a lot of bad shit can happen when a girl goes off with some stranger she just met.
So when her male co-worker orbiter comes back, or her mother hen who's there to make sure she doesn't cheat on her fiancee returns, you also have to defeat them.
How does this tie into shit tests?
Many of the objections that your target makes will be the same ones that her protectors will make.
So if she says, "you're too old", her hating ass friend will say, "this guy is an old loser".
You might be able to quell any shit test from the target with
"age ain't nothing but a number"
"actually, I'm used to dating younger"
"you're god damn right i'm older than you"
There are dozens of comebacks and replies out there. (in the sales game, they call these rebuttals)
But since the obstacle wasn't the hearing your full rap, she'll just dismiss whatever you say and grab your chick by the arm to lead her away.
So you need an advocate on your side, and the only person that can be is the target.
With that in mind, if the target asks you what do you do, and you're not the CEO of Google, and the target pegs you as either having a dull boring job, or worse a poorly paid and dull and boring job - even if you agree and amplify or get all jokey - you still need her to convey the trust that she's building in you to her handlers.
So to get to that trust, you need to get past her shit tests, and get at the core of her initial resistance. You need to turn those to your own ends.
"What we notice most in others, is what we typically notice in ourselves"
^Might not be universally true, but it's true enough for Gawker/TMZ reading chicks.
That means your frame is unshakeable, you control the conversation, and you don't insult her, but you change the conversation to her and her foibles and thought process.
So if she's saying you're too old, you lean in close, and start her in a role play situation...
"So you want to call me Papi, very naughty...sounds like someone has years of therapy ahead of her. Sit on my lap and tell me about it"
If she's getting on you for your job, "I've finally met my sugar mama, I provide excellent service for a fee, you think you can afford me.."
^The words themselves don't particularly matter - what you're doing is setting up this inside joke, this bubble, this roleplay between the you and the target to the exclusion of everyone else.
This is how you start building the trust, this is how you start putting her on your side. This is also how you build attraction past the physical, especially if you're not jacked yet and looking like a GQ cover.
Getting to her mind, through her words, is what the pimps do. It's what the preachers and politicians do. It's what good salespeople do. They always make you feel empowered and happy about doing THEIR bidding, and they typically do so using your own language.
So when the cavalry finally comes to rescue her, you've gotten past the ice breakers and thumb wrestling stage of a typical pick up situation.
A lot of pick up advice is pushing folks towards rapid response
- GLL going caveman/direct, being jacked, appealing to her hindbrain and raw dogging her in the Sin Bin
- Mark Manson's polarity concept - where you don't really explore what a chick is about, you just bluntly tell people who you are and what you're about, and the chips fall where they may.
I actually think these are "hunting" strategies.
To continue with a tortured analogy, I think pick up/Game is more like "fishing".
You pick the pond, you pick the bait, you wiggle the line, and she bites. Does she hook? From there it's a battle of tiring her out and reeling her in.
Not saying that you can pull every chick. But the blunt instruments of the caveman style (GLL) and the apocalyptic style (MM) aren't the only things you can do. There's a fair amount of wiggle room for conversion.
And if you fuck enough chicks and get into their heads, they'll tell you about the pretty boys and bad boys and how turned off they get when they talk to them. A guy has to be next level with his face/height/muscles for them to get past the verbal/vocal/emotional aspect of it.
WIA
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