[Vicious]

You rang?

[Giovonny]

(04-25-2014 08:25 AM)Hector_St_Clare Wrote:  

In your experience, what percentage of college age young women are interested in much older guys?

It really depends what you mean by "much older"??

If you look 35 or younger, I would guess-timate that 25%-40% of 18/19 year olds will absolutely give you chance.

This is based on my experience in approaching nearly 1000 college girls.

Of course, it all depends on your look, style, perceived status, and perceived "cool" factor.

Again, it's not how old you are.. It's how old you look!

(04-25-2014 08:25 AM)Hector_St_Clare Wrote:  

I'm 33 now

This is really a great age to go after college girls!

(04-25-2014 08:25 AM)Hector_St_Clare Wrote:  

but I'm interested on how hard it's going to get for me in the future

Obviously, it doesn't get easier as you get older unless you can greatly increase your fame, money, status, etc.

I actually do better at 38 than I did at 33 but that is because my looks, style and game greatly improved.

I am extremely dedicated to ANTI-AGING and I game in the most ENERGY EFFICIENT way possible.

(04-25-2014 08:25 AM)Hector_St_Clare Wrote:  

I'd also really like to know if any of you have experience successfully dating girls that age.

I have been dating college girls exclusively for the past few years.

The main thing is that you have to put yourself in position to be around them and talk to them.

Here are a bunch of examples of college girls that I pulled off university campuses:

Freshman Girls

More Freshman Girls

Read that thread to get an idea of what I do.

(04-25-2014 08:25 AM)Hector_St_Clare Wrote:  

I work at a university

Oh fuck!!!

You are perfectly set up to start dating college girls!!!

Just be careful and don't lose your job over it!!

Let me know if you have any questions..

Good luck

[ManAbout]

(04-25-2014 08:25 AM)Hector_St_Clare Wrote:  

In your experience, what percentage of college age young women (18-24, I mean: I'm not interested in breaking any laws) are interested in much older guys?

100%.

Approaching a girl thinking that there is only a 1 out of 4 chance she will be into you is good way of ensuring that 0% will be into you.

[Christian McQueen]

There's a reason why The Most Interesting Man In The World ad campaign for that beer company works so well. And he's gray haired with a beard, but he's suited up (imagine that) and has fly models on his arm.

Women will always be attracted to distinguished men in suits with style and swagger.

[Hector_St_Clare]

Giovonny,

Thanks for the reply, I've been reading your posts with some interest for awhile. I have to say, I find you incredibly inspiring. I'm 33 and until I was 30 had hardly ever had a date- from 21 to 30 I never even asked anyone out. I was just terribly crippled, a little bit by liberal-feminist ideas about relationships, but much more so by social anxiety. There were a lot of times when I honestly believed I would die without ever being kissed (in spite of having a lot of female friends, a lot of them really pretty, who always said I was a super good guy). I started going on dates again when I was 30, had my first serious 'emotional' relationship when I was 31 (with a 20 year old), lost my virginity last year to a 21 year old (and had a few hookups at bars and such), and right now I have a couple of 'prospects'. I like younger women for a variety of reasons- partly because I'm in some ways emotionally close to that age (since I missed out on those experiences when I was younger), partly because I really like being with people who are growing into adulthood and figuring things out, and I like to help/guide them along that road, and partly because I love being the older, more experienced, protector/provider person. I'm not really looking for the 'hit it and quit it' thing, though I'm open to whatever develops: ideally I want a long term relationship, with traditional gender rolles, and the whole 'husbands, love your wives: wives, submit to your husbands' kind of thing.

Just for clarification: my job right now isn't a teaching position, I'm a research associate and spend my days in the lab-greenhouse. Technically on staff, but there are no rules about who I can date. I'd never risk my job, and if I eventually become a professor I wouldn't date anyone at my institution if it was strongly discouraged. There are enough women in the world, including enough young ones, that you shouldn't have to jeopardize your job for it. A professor at Harvard, if he's really into younger women, can always go across town and date girls at the community college.

So, yes, I've had a lot more success with younger girls from 30-33 than I did when I was in my teens or twenties. I really wish that Game had been around when I was in high school and college, but it wasn't (and I was suffering from terrible social anxiety myself, which has gotten better with time). I'm really inspired to hear that your success with younger women got better as you aged into your late 30s, and I'm not lying when I say the whole 'game' culture was a lifesaver to me, just by gradually getting me to feel more confident with myself. I look forward to everything you can share with us about your love life, I think there's a lot I can learn from you!

[Hector_St_Clare]

Re: The combined PUA manosphere community estimates the percentage to be around 20-25% - Chateau Heartiste, Giovanny etc. In Eastern Europe and Far East Asia you might reach higher levels than that even in your mid to lat 40s IF you are in shape and your Game is good.

Haha, I don't expect them ALL to be into me. As long as *some* are into me. Even if it's only 5%, that just means you need to talk to 20 girls to have a good chance of a 'hit', and honestly I'm starting to learn to enjoy chatting new girls up.

I've seen Roissy's 20-25% number bandied about before, but it seems awfully high. In terms of who girls actually *do* date, I found some interesting data recently on births in California, broken down by age of the mother and father.

Roughly speaking, of the 18-19 year old mothers in the sample: 20% had their children fathered by another 18-19 year old, 54% by a 20-24 year old, 20% by a 25-29 year old, 3% by a 30-34 year old, 1.5% by a 30-39 year old, and 0.6% by someone over 40. So, if we treat these as an indication of who's dating/sleeping with whom, about 1 out of every 200 late-teenage women dates a guy in their 40s, and about 4-5% dates a guy in their 30s. Which was higher than I expected. At a minimum, there are more college age girls who date men in their 40s, in America, than there are Hindus, and about as many as there are Muslims or Episcopalians.

Of course, that only tells you who at any given moment is actively dating an older guy, not who might be theoretically open to it.

[Dusty]

I'm 48, and I started getting more IOI's than ever from young girls the past 10 years. I got a second renewed surge around age 44-45 because I whipped myself into shape (by first eating better - nutrition is even more important than exercise - and I did a round of P90X). After the (huge) uptick in attention from girls after that, I dedicate myself to staying in shape (I continue to eat right. And Although I don't do the P90X routine, I do a similar level of intense exercising on a weekly basis. I learned a lot from this forum. I do HIIT now - sprinting hills - and I do deadlifting). I will exercise until I die.

I also dress better than I did in my 20s-30s.

[Dusty]

(04-26-2014 11:14 AM)Hector_St_Clare Wrote:  

Re: The combined PUA manosphere community estimates the percentage to be around 20-25% - Chateau Heartiste, Giovanny etc. In Eastern Europe and Far East Asia you might reach higher levels than that even in your mid to lat 40s IF you are in shape and your Game is good.

It needs to be acknowledged too, there's a lot of girls, especially in this day and age, who have "daddy issues." Their parents are divorced, they live with their mother, and their mother turned them against their father - thus they have no or a bad relationship with their father. So when they see a guy with a few wrinkles and a little salt and pepper, they sometimes want to fill the void caused by their daddy issues by having relationships with older men.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(04-26-2014 11:14 AM)Hector_St_Clare Wrote:  

Roughly speaking, of the 18-19 year old mothers in the sample: 20% had their children fathered by another 18-19 year old, 54% by a 20-24 year old, 20% by a 25-29 year old, 3% by a 30-34 year old, 1.5% by a 30-39 year old, and 0.6% by someone over 40. So, if we treat these as an indication of who's dating/sleeping with whom, about 1 out of every 200 late-teenage women dates a guy in their 40s, and about 4-5% dates a guy in their 30s. Which was higher than I expected. At a minimum, there are more college age girls who date men in their 40s, in America, than there are Hindus, and about as many as there are Muslims or Episcopalians.

Of course, that only tells you who at any given moment is actively dating an older guy, not who might be theoretically open to it.

I would not see that babymama statistic as telling regarding the effective attractiveness.

18-19 year old mothers are usually highly stupid bitches with a few exceptions. Getting chicks pregnant is the way of the young guys - I certainly have been way less careful in my younger days with some close calls. Later on a man is usually way more careful. Of course young guys are gonna have more sex with these girls as they interact with them more often. Plus there is plenty of the 18-19 year old mothers in the bad parts of town and you have a statistic that is extremely twisted. I have even read about some local Dark Triad Alphas - young drug dealers etc. who have fathered several children before the age of 19. Forget about that statistic. Even despite that there is quite a high percentage of older fathers.

I foresee for the future:

+ more girls with daddy-issues raised by single mothers will make it easier for older guys
+ more rampant promiscuity will make it easier for older guys with Game and in shape
+ deteriorating economic conditions will make it easier, because older guys usually have more resources - provider card will be more important

- feminist imperative will try ever more to make females into males selling to women that they should view us as mere sexual objects similar to our own SMV cues - age, good looks, good height, muscles etc. - to a degree that will certainly succeed especially in the context of group perception - when the girls are together with their peers

But feminism has the female biology, their own genetic imprint and the first 3 points above working against that agenda - I doubt that they will succeed - they may have had a shot in rising economic prosperity.

[Hector_St_Clare]

Zelcorpion,

You have a point, but girls who get pregnant by an older man are less likely to have an abortion, because they figure the father had more resources to help them take care of it.

Which is a good thing- I think abortion is murder, after all.