[Nomad77]

I know Roosh and many on here all complain about how bad American women are and that the solution is to just leave the country but I know a certain type of man that has no interest in doing that. Hell, they don't even have any interest in leaving Miami.

I know two guys here in Miami like this. They are both tall (6+), in fairly good shape, (one looks like Vin Diesel), have decent income, decent places, cars, etc. They don't have any social issues and are fairly intelligent. But most of all they are both facially and physically fairly attractive. This put these men in the top 5% of type of men women are attracted to. They don't have much Game because they don't need it. The sum total of their game is just showing up. Every time I go out with them women literally pick them up. They usually have at least 2 - 3 girls in rotation and always a few more waiting in the wings. Not only that the girls treat them well, no flaking, no BS, no crap. For these men America is good but then again, just about anywhere would be. They have no interest in going anywhere else because they already have it good here.

When it comes to women these guys are the "rich" guys of America. And when you are rich, everywhere is a good place to be.

PS The amusing thing is they both like hanging out with me because I can "pickup" girls and can get much higher quality girls but what they miss is the amount of work I have to put into it vs them and all of the BS I have to deal with that they don't. Usually what happens is that I open sets and they just show up and one of
the girls will always grab them - that's what they really like but it's all good. I have learn to both accept and compensate for what I have to work with long ago.

[Rutting Elephant]

(04-17-2014 05:23 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

For these men America is good but then again, just about anywhere would be. They have no interest in going anywhere else because they already have it good here.

Except for the ever looming specter of false allegations which society would assume true by default, not to mention child support.

[TheBulldozer]

Nomad,

I check many of the boxes that your listed your friends as checking, and probably other boxes that you didn't list. I'm still leaving. Why?

There's so much more out there than 'going out' and hitting on women. I genuinely love hitting on girls, but I take equal pleasure exploring everything life has to offer. I could go into more detail if you wish.

[Nomad77]

I completely agree with you but my point was that for the most part these guys are pretty happy with how things are here. One goes to Brazil on a regular basis but they are not really interested in taking more than a little vacation here and there. And I see this in all of countries I have lived in. Same thing with the girls. The girls that want to leave a country are the ones that usually feel they are getting short changed. Personally, I travel because I just like the change - can't stand being in one place for too long.

[Akula]

These men you mention are top 5% in looks/money etc. so I'm not suprised they think they have it good. Miami is also one of the best cities for pure good looking (but not quality) too, so not indicative of the US on the whole.

I'm sure if you polled most of the betas in say the Midwest or South they would say they love it in America and think they 'have it good' despite the Feminism, awful & entitled fat women, increasing police-state, PC culture, etc.

Sadly the reality is that it usually takes some sort of calamitous even (a bad divorce, workplace incident/firing, faux-harassment lawsuit, etc) to jar most men in the US out of their boring, complacent existence. Leaving one's 'comfort zone' is just too hard for most guys (and women) so they just go with what they've got already, or maybe move around the US if they want a 'change.'

Also, most guys are just happy to get a piece of ass every now and then (hell, even once a year for most of these guys!) and maybe a girlfriend and take whatever is thrown at them. They've got video games, the NFL / sports etc to keep them busy in their off time and many times just give up on the dating front (esp. given how bad the sexual marketplace is and how much work it takes).

[Parlay44]

Just go to the gym regularly and put on a clean shirt once in a while and don't be a fucking toolbag and you can do the same thing.

[Nomad77]

I personally know these guys and let me tell you, they have got it good - damn good when it comes to women. There is another one I know who had to close his okcupid account because he was getting too many messages. Just for fun he dated and banged five okcupid girls in five days.

[Bill]

The good thing is the "poosy paradies" will not flooded with good looking guys who spoil the market. Everybody has to play the role which "destiny" gave us, right?

[Biologist]

(04-17-2014 07:59 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Just go to the gym regularly and put on a clean shirt once in a while and don't be a fucking toolbag and you can do the same thing.

I would have to respectfully disagree.

Wherever you go in the world (except for maybe Japan), girls will take your financial situation into consideration. Even if you go to the gym, dress decently, and not be a "toolbag", if you are struggling financially or barely making ends meet, you will have a very poor chance of attracting women, let alone have multiple girls on rotation.

I'm not saying it's impossible for a broke-ass man to be able to bang girls, but they will be at a very severe disadvantage.

[Nomad77]

Well, none of these guys are rich but they are certainly not broke. They all have decent incomes. The main thing they have is good looks. Women today, as the become more like men, are becoming more visual in nature.

[Biologist]

I agree that women these days are a lot more visual than they have been in the past.

[DaveR]

(04-17-2014 08:26 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Well, none of these guys are rich but they are certainly not broke. They all have decent incomes. The main thing they have is good looks. Women today, as the become more like men, are becoming more visual in nature.

I think that's a very Western thing. I don't see it here in Russia or in China when I visit.

I knew a group of Swedish model guys who were studying in Kiev. They were very much into fashion, doing shit with their hair, etc. Those guys struggled because the girls thought they were gay. It wasn't because they were thin either - they all spent a lot of time in the gym and were pretty well built.

[Nomad77]

Correct, it is mostly a Western thing...for now...

[DaveR]

(04-17-2014 08:43 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Correct, it is mostly a Western thing...for now...

I don't see it changing any time soon. Russia isn't in a hurry to adopt any Socialist policies that would change the dynamic between men and women.

Actually, I know a few people who have been here since the early 90s and they say it's getting worse (from their beta perspective). Until about 2008, most of them believed that Russia was on 'positive' development curve. The financial crisis, Putin's crackdown on foreign meddling and the more recent Ukraine thing has, fortunately, cancelled all of that out.

The lack of any social services means that it's going to be an expensive place to live for a long time, but I would prefer that to what Poland is becoming.

[Nomad77]

Could be, Brazil is changing.

[Menace]

I don't have any interest in leaving the US right now. "Retirement" maybe (whatever that is), but not now. I like my lifestyle here. I have 3-4 girls in rotation, although none of them are hot. They do give me good boners, so I just go by that. A lot of it depends on the kind of lifestyle you want to lead...an ascetic style or more of the la dolce vita. I like the latter myself. I have nice things, and I like them. They are not a source of happiness of course, but they are a comfortable mattress on the bed of life that I worked hard to achieve (the last part is important). I also have my child to think about. Maybe I'm just not obsessed with trying to bang the hottest women possible...because ample evidence presented in this forum has shown that this does not make any significant long term difference toward happiness.

Actually on the train this morning I started to wonder whether guys even want to be happy, or, as mentioned in a recent ROK post, if they have a comparative mindset. "That dude is banging hotter girls than me so I need to move there..." I know lots of guys who bang hotter girls than me (forum members). And? So what? I think a lot of guys have an ego about that...I don't. The girls I keep banging are cute. Nothing more. However, all but one are foreign born (FOB or came here late in life). I generally do not date American women.

I always think, what am I going to do with the other 80% of my life when I am not banging the hot, feminine girl in country <X>? On the other hand, maybe I should just forget all about by credentials and become a cobbler in Manila (not being facetious)? Having never done what other forum members have done (actually lived in a foreign country), perhaps I can't really judge. I think a lot depends on the individual and their drive and motivation. However, I have seen and met successful men who like living here, so moving overseas is not necessarily a "no brainer."

[Bill]

South Korea comes also to mind though I don´t know if it´s media hype.

[DaveR]

(04-17-2014 09:03 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Could be, Brazil is changing.

Yes, but Russia is not Brazil.

I don't know much about Brazil, to be honest, but I never thought of it as a conservative place. It's been a party and drug culture destination for young people for more than a decade and they have a history of accepting homosexuals. In Russia there is no such culture. Homosexuals, pedophiles, and other kinds of deviants can be charged for publicly displaying or advertising of their lifestyle.

[Parlay44]

(04-17-2014 08:24 AM)Biologist Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 07:59 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Just go to the gym regularly and put on a clean shirt once in a while and don't be a fucking toolbag and you can do the same thing.

I would have to respectfully disagree.

Wherever you go in the world (except for maybe Japan), girls will take your financial situation into consideration. Even if you go to the gym, dress decently, and not be a "toolbag", if you are struggling financially or barely making ends meet, you will have a very poor chance of attracting women, let alone have multiple girls on rotation.

I'm not saying it's impossible for a broke-ass man to be able to bang girls, but they will be at a very severe disadvantage.

You make it sounds like it's hard to get laid. Women give it away for free these days. Women want to "land" a rich guy because of the lifestyle that comes along with them. But they're open to fucking regular guys. If you have the mentality that you have to compete with these guys then you've already lost.

[Nomad77]

Yes, women are giving it away BUT not to just anyone. They are still holding out for the top guys in my experience. So what is happening is that the top guys are getting more than they can handle and the average guys nothing. If you are an average guy with tight game and willing to put in the work then yes it helps.

@Menace I live outside of the US not for the women but because I like the culture and lifestyle more. Also I feel more of a connection with foreign women than women here. I don't do it for sex but then again I am not after notches like other guys...

[Menace]

(04-17-2014 08:24 AM)Biologist Wrote:  

I'm not saying it's impossible for a broke-ass man to be able to bang girls, but they will be at a very severe disadvantage.

Being a broke-ass man is a disadvantage in many other ways aside from it being more difficult to bang girls (which itself is debatable).

Pretend you're an attractive woman for a second. Guys hit on you all the time. Charming broke-ass guy or charming well-off guy that can show you a nice lifestyle? Not even a contest. And hell, that's a male mindset...in a woman's reality "things" are important because they show status and superiority over other women.

[Menace]

(04-17-2014 09:33 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

@Menace I live outside of the US not for the women but because I like the culture and lifestyle more. Also I feel more of a connection with foreign women than women here. I don't do it for sex but then again I am not after notches like other guys...

That makes sense. Cultural connection is important. I live in the US because of culture and for family related issues. I also connect better with foreign women, that's why I generally avoid American girls. This is not hard to do in cities.

[Nomad77]

But I have to say, I do meet some cool American girls. I recently spent a weekend with an American girl down here on vacation from NY and she was really nice. A bit masculine but that's par for the course these days. Also for the moment, I am stuck here in the US.

[DaveR]

(04-17-2014 09:16 AM)Menace Wrote:  

A lot of it depends on the kind of lifestyle you want to lead...an ascetic style or more of the la dolce vita. I like the latter myself. I have nice things, and I like them.

What makes you think you can't have nice things and a good lifestyle in other countries?

Your point about children was right on though - I've seen a lot of people leave Russia because it isn't a great place for their children's education and development.

Also, about 'happiness' - people from the Anglosphere are very much driven by it, especially those from the colonies (and ex-colonies). In a lot of other cultures, being happy is only one of many things that drive people, but not always high on their list of priorities. Case in point, just dug up a survey on Russian facebook.. the following come before happiness: family, career, self development, artistic realisation, science and research, improvement of the world.

[RexImperator]

I suspect fair amount of the guys who contemplate leaving the US are actually looking for a more traditional lifestyle and a society that is supportive of that.