[WestCoast]

If you spend your time outside of the USA and are happy go for it.

If you spend your time out of the USA and go on the Internet to constantly bitch about the USA this tells me you are not successful.

If you're happy you don't cry on the Internet about how "xyz country did you wrong". You don't spend your time complaining becuase you are already happy with where you are at. All complainers are failures and losers. Plain and simple.

I got zero issues with people leaving or staying, there are a lot of great things about the USA if you look for them and a lot of bad (obesity etc)

However as Abe Lincoln says "if you look for the bad in something you are surely going to find it".

Anyway, personally leaving the USA right now would be the dumbest possible decision I could make. The largest global economy by a country mile (~2x the GDP of the the next largest economy in the world). Major opportunities here.

If you are doing well in the states, date some foreign girls and go ahead and take vacations abroad. Menace sums up a good strategy. You get 1-2 girls you like. In the mean time spend the rest of your game time shooting for higher tiered women.

It's not that difficult.

[Menace]

(04-17-2014 09:41 AM)DaveR Wrote:  

What makes you think you can't have nice things and a good lifestyle in other countries?

Your point about children was right on though - I've seen a lot of people leave Russia because it isn't a great place for their children's education and development.

Also, about 'happiness' - people from the Anglosphere are very much driven by it, especially those from the colonies (and ex-colonies). In a lot of other cultures, being happy is only one of many things that drive people, but not always high on their list of priorities. Case in point, just dug up a survey on Russian facebook.. the following come before happiness: family, career, self development, artistic realisation, science and research, improvement of the world.

Dave of course you're right about having a nice lifestyle in other countries, it's obviously possible, but it does depend on how you earn your money. I think if you are very entrepreneurial and not tied to, say professional credentialing, then yes, it is possible, maybe even easier. I'm a professional...I don't think I could get as well compensated for my skills and experience as I do in the US.

With respect to happiness, I guess I use that as an umbrella term for family, career, self improvement, etc. So speaking for myself, the Russian definition and mine are very similar if not identical.

[Bix]

(04-17-2014 08:24 AM)Biologist Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 07:59 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Just go to the gym regularly and put on a clean shirt once in a while and don't be a fucking toolbag and you can do the same thing.

I would have to respectfully disagree.

Wherever you go in the world (except for maybe Japan), girls will take your financial situation into consideration. Even if you go to the gym, dress decently, and not be a "toolbag", if you are struggling financially or barely making ends meet, you will have a very poor chance of attracting women, let alone have multiple girls on rotation.

I'm not saying it's impossible for a broke-ass man to be able to bang girls, but they will be at a very severe disadvantage.

LOL. Where did you get the idea that Japanese women are any different? Don't kid yourself. Japanese women are some of the biggest gold-diggers I have ever had to deal with in my life. A man's income is VERY important to them.

[Foolsgo1d]

(04-17-2014 08:24 AM)Biologist Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 07:59 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Just go to the gym regularly and put on a clean shirt once in a while and don't be a fucking toolbag and you can do the same thing.

I would have to respectfully disagree.

Wherever you go in the world (except for maybe Japan), girls will take your financial situation into consideration. Even if you go to the gym, dress decently, and not be a "toolbag", if you are struggling financially or barely making ends meet, you will have a very poor chance of attracting women, let alone have multiple girls on rotation.

I'm not saying it's impossible for a broke-ass man to be able to bang girls, but they will be at a very severe disadvantage.

SO you tell women how much you make before banging them?

I'm at a disadvantage economically for a man my age currently and when compared with a lot of women even a few years younger but it does not stop me from pulling.

If you're out with the "money makes the man" on your mind then you are in the wrong mindset.

Women dont care as long as you're not some filthy low-life and can fuck her good. Its just fun.

[speakeasy]

(04-17-2014 08:24 AM)Biologist Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 07:59 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Just go to the gym regularly and put on a clean shirt once in a while and don't be a fucking toolbag and you can do the same thing.

I would have to respectfully disagree.

Wherever you go in the world (except for maybe Japan), girls will take your financial situation into consideration. Even if you go to the gym, dress decently, and not be a "toolbag", if you are struggling financially or barely making ends meet, you will have a very poor chance of attracting women, let alone have multiple girls on rotation.

I'm not saying it's impossible for a broke-ass man to be able to bang girls, but they will be at a very severe disadvantage.

True, but to a degree. I think we all know or have known broke, unemployed guys who mooch off women and always seem to be getting their dick wet. And they aren't always studs either.

[xpatplayer]

The USA is probably the best place in the world for getting laid if you are good looking and muscular. That's it. Eastern Europe is great if you have the cash and Latin America is good if you can talk to girls. If you want to get laid more often in the USA, optimize your appearance and hit the gym as much as you can. Your results will be exponential.

Agree with WestCoast's sentiments. Do what you need to in order to get laid and get money. Don't complain, accept that your fantasy dreamworld is not what reality is. Like WestCoast, I too want to live in America in the long-term for the money and lifestyle. Therefore, I need to do what is necessary to get laid in America (hit the gym, keep experimenting with my looks until I reach an optimum, wear the best clothes, etc). A trip to EE, LatAm or East Asia will be good every once in a while.

In conclusion, good looks are king in America. You could have airtight game but you still won't get laid if you don't look all too good. Quit complaining about the fatties and the 6s, get jacked, practice your game, optimize your look and wear good clothes. You will get 8s and 9s easily.

Danger and Play and Good Looking Loser always state the importance of being game rather than learning it. If you're jacked with intermediate game in America, you can kill it.

[Parlay44]

You guys gotta remember that America is a Sausage Paradise for the ladies. Even the fat ugly ones are in demand and have options.

[DaveR]

(04-17-2014 12:54 PM)xpatplayer Wrote:  

In conclusion, good looks are king in America.

What about when you're older? I'm in my early 30s and already look for a 10-year age gap. I wouldn't want to start banging post-20s women just because I'm older.

[iknowexactly]

(04-17-2014 01:31 PM)DaveR Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 12:54 PM)xpatplayer Wrote:  

In conclusion, good looks are king in America.

What about when you're older? I'm in my early 30s and already look for a 10-year age gap. I wouldn't want to start banging post-20s women just because I'm older.

This is why after I hit my mid-50s I started looking in Asia instead of EE.

I couldn't get the attention of chicks in early 20s in Ukraine anymore.

Even in the Philippines 8+ prefer younger guys, it's just that the supply/demand balance is not in girls' favor

One reason is people have a lot of kids in the Phils, so there's a lot of young girls around (I mean over 18 of course)
unlike most First World countries where people have hardly any kids so you're competing with other older guys who are crazy rich as well as the young guys.

[AneroidOcean]

(04-17-2014 09:59 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

I got zero issues with people leaving or staying, there are a lot of great things about the USA if you look for them and a lot of bad (obesity etc)

However as Abe Lincoln says "if you look for the bad in something you are surely going to find it".

Anyway, personally leaving the USA right now would be the dumbest possible decision I could make. The largest global economy by a country mile (~2x the GDP of the the next largest economy in the world). Major opportunities here.

WestCoast pretty much sums up my viewpoint on this topic. +1 rep for this post (that I actually thought I'd already given him).

I'd like to add, though, that the OP stating that these guys don't have game is wrong. The confidence and the mentality of abundance I'm sure is VERY strong with these guys. Sure, they might not be confident to approach, but there are many types of confidence and the one instilled by having lots of options/abundance with nearly no major effort pursuing women is a STRONG type of confidence.

You can say they have no game, but the reality is that they do have some game, they just aren't really strong/well rounded in game.

On a positive note to the OP, this single statement is HUGE. Much respect for being able to reach this point in your life. It's what we all should be striving for:

(04-17-2014 05:23 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Usually what happens is that I open sets and they just show up and one of
the girls will always grab them - that's what they really like but it's all good. I have learn to both accept and compensate for what I have to work with long ago.

[WestCoast]

The age remark is legitimate but I am under no delusions.

Would a man worth $10M leave the USA? No because I am pretty sure people who are CEOs have other things to do and opportunities to sieze here.

One CEO I know well owns 30+ houses in the USA he is worth in the $40M range. His girlfriend is 24 and he is knocking on 40. No I am not on his level lol, but if I get there I am not leaving.

Basically, if you can't make it in the USA to the top, then you should leave. If you have a shot at the top you should try. Try as hard as possible. You got until mid 30s to early 40s to try and kill it here in the USA. As others noted men have a good peak in their early thirties so don't blame looks till you cross at least 35.

It comes down to a simple equation in reality.

Your income here vs your income abroad. If it is equal leave, if your income here is 3x+ higher you stay.

If it is the same, feel free to leave, Colombia, Mexico City and Rio is where you will find me. Along with a weekend binge trip to Iceland which was fun as hell!

Anyway, if your income here is increasing rapidly stay on the gas. When you're 35+ or 40+ if you're not getting better then feel free to bounce.

Again I am not delusional though, when I leave to live abroad it is not going to be because "America sucks" it is going to be because "I didn't quite get to where I wanted to be". But America is exactly what put me in that position in the first place. I won't have any hate towards the USA, I will say yeah the girls aren't as feminine, but seeing the nba finals, buying my first property, making my first $X net worth is all because I am lucky enough to have been born here.

If you can bang 8s in the USA and make dough. You are not running away and complaining that the world is ending. You're hoping you can keep performing and running full steam ahead.

If you really can't hack it here then leave and bang cute girls abroad, just remember that USA passport, that USA income, that USA work ethic, that USA freedom is why you're even able to do it.

So TL;DR if you leave it means you really maxed out in the USA, whatever maxed out means for you.

I sure don't see guys who win the World Series of poker tweeting about feminism/ "cultural issues".

[Nomad77]

As far as age goes these guys are in mid-30s to early 40s and they have no problem getting girls in their early-mid 20s. BUT again, they are all well built and in great shape, much better looking than most 20 something dudes out there.

I think America is great for making money but I still prefer living in Europe for the lifestyle. What I prefer to do is spend spring and summer in Europe and fall and winter in the US or South America. At one point I was traveling back and forth between Europe, US, and Brazil up to 6 - 8 times per year.

This is what the 40-something guy looks like.

[WestCoast]

Cool I don't see this as a negative. Means I got more time to try and make it big in the states. Just gotta stay on the gym.

[DaveR]

(04-17-2014 02:30 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

It comes down to a simple equation in reality.

Your income here vs your income abroad. If it is equal leave, if your income here is 3x+ higher you stay.

I agree completely, WestCoast. That's exactly what it came down to for me. I wanted to find a tax haven with a cold climate and a city of at least 500k population. That doesn't leave many choices.

Where I was living before (UK), the best I could optimise to was around 30% tax. Here in Russia I don't pay anything and have exactly the same pre-tax income. All I have to do is spend 6 months out of the country every five years or so to 'reset' my tax structure and bring all my capital under my personal ownership. Not having 30% of my profit knocked out each year has a huge effect when compounded too.

I also agree that I couldn't have gotten to this position without being raised in a high-income country. That was a very good point... You have to look at it as a here-now proposition.

[WestCoast]

^ yep this is why you in particular don't complain about your home country. You only mentioned chicks in Russia are hotter so I believe you.

It is funny that people say "if you can't get laid in the USA you will fail abroad"

But then can't compute:

"If you bang 8s in the USA why would you leave to bang more 8s abroad".

The second part only makes sense if your income is not tied to a major market. As I mentioned in my first post on this thread.

The equation may move for some, if you have yellow fever maybe you need a four X on your income since Thailand is so cheap. But that is all it really is.

All I know is the girls I am seeing today = 7 year age gap + cute + my income is still tied here... So you won't see me complaining.

[rudebwoy]

You can't dispute WestCoasts logic.

These guys are in Miami and let's be honest there aren't many places in Europe that are as nice, Monaco comes to mind but you need money to live there.

I prefer Europe myself for the lifestyle and travel options, but you will have to make a lot of cash to live decent.

Girls being shallow is not some new discovery, we like a nice ass and so do they. They also like a dude who is established where as I don't give a shit.

[cocoballs]

Don't shoot the messenger, but it feels like too many people call being buff (also known as "self improvement" on here) a major factor of game. It's paradoxical since being buff essentially is nothing but artificially enhanced good looks. Good looks is not game. Being wealthy is not game. If you're wealthy and good looking USA is the greatest country in the world, no doubt. You have all the hottest women here - Russian, Brazilian, Colombian etc. But of course you also have the toughest competitors. If you can't get 8s and 9s here it means you're neither good looking nor wealthy enough. Whatever confidence you have is only good enough to pull 6s on okc or tinder, but it doesn't get you the hotties you really want. So you start resenting the US and go live in EE or Thailand, where simply being cocky+funny is enough to get you quality poon. Is that what game is all about? Sorry for being so cynical, I'm not a game denialist by any means, but it seems like that's what this thread is really about, I'm just thinking out loud.

I think if you really wanna put your knowledge of game to the test, you can't leave the country. You also can't focus too much on being muscular or rich. Real game is being able to consistently get 8.5-9.5 in the hottest clubs in LA or Miami with your personality alone. If you can do that, you're shitting on 99.99% of all men.

[Akula]

^^^^

"You have all the hottest women here"

[WestCoast]

^ hahaha!

Agreed. Anyone who has traveled knows women are better abroad so that was a bit extreme. But it's not like there are zero 8s in the USA.

Not sure what he means by the best game = no muscle + no money.

I would never want to be that guy. Max out everything you got. Wake up do your workout, make that $, and run your game.

Body + money is just fuel to the fire.

[DaveR]

(04-18-2014 12:49 AM)cocoballs Wrote:  

I think if you really wanna put your knowledge of game to the test, you can't leave the country. You also can't focus too much on being muscular or rich. Real game is being able to consistently get 8.5-9.5 in the hottest clubs in LA or Miami with your personality alone. If you can do that, you're shitting on 99.99% of all men.

Yeah man, I challenge you to not wash or change clothes for a month and then see if you can get a 9. If you can do that, you're much better than me.

Game principles are just tools that you use to get more or better women. There's no competition here.. we're just a bunch of guys sharing our techniques and knowledge. If someone can move abroad and be in a net positive position in their life, there's no shame in doing that. The earlier discussion in this thread was about how to quantify the advantages and disadvantages of such a move.

[tawillionaire]

I'm all for traveling and exposing yourself to as many cultures as you can, but leaving the US for an eastern European country to live there sounds backwards to me. People in those countries want to come here. The ones that stay have no choice. It seems shallow and a bit unappreciative to me for an American to want to live there.

I don't mean to call out anyone specifically. If someone wants to share their reasons for why they think it's truly better to live in a less developed country, I'm open to listening.

[DaveR]

(04-18-2014 07:00 PM)tawillionaire Wrote:  

I'm all for traveling and exposing yourself to as many cultures as you can, but leaving the US for an eastern European country to live there sounds backwards to me. People in those countries want to come here. The ones that stay have no choice. It seems shallow and a bit unappreciative to me for an American to want to live there.

I don't mean to call out anyone specifically. If someone wants to share their reasons for why they think it's truly better to live in a less developed country, I'm open to listening.

It all depends on your financial situation, education, native language, etc. I know a few Americans and Europeans who have businesses in Moscow because they can't make better money anywhere else. On the other hand, an IT guy who makes $1500 a month in Russia could get $5000 in the US. A history major who flips burgers in the US can go to China and work as an English tutor for $50 an hour and have Chinese groupies just because his white skin makes him exotic.

There isn't a single scale you can use to compare countries.. you have to look at it from an individual perspective and compare whichever things are important and relevant to that individual.

[Akula]

(04-18-2014 06:25 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

^ hahaha!

Agreed. Anyone who has traveled knows women are better abroad so that was a bit extreme. But it's not like there are zero 8s in the USA.

Not sure what he means by the best game = no muscle + no money.

I would never want to be that guy. Max out everything you got. Wake up do your workout, make that $, and run your game.

Body + money is just fuel to the fire.

Yeah you need to max it out, improve yourself, get in shape get healthy etc.

Even for those of us who are committed to spending time abroad to 'game' I still think we know that at the end of the day we'll spend a lot of our life in the good ole US of A. Life in the US is just too comfortable and easy that inevitably you'll come back (or spend a significant amount of time back home). Maybe that's just me I dunno. I still come back 3-4x a year and it would be hard on me if I wasn't coming back regularly. It's worth pointing out that a lot of the health-related stuff we talk about on the forum isn't readily available in Russia or wherever so I always used my trips back home to 'stock up' on stuff I needed to live a healthier lifestyle.

Part of the issue for many of us is that we can't find proper motivation/incentive to get off our lazy asses and improve ourselves and lives bc things back home are just too easy/comfortable sometimes. So moving abroad can both help you self-improvement and at the same time help you appreciate the good things back home as well. And in an increasingly globalized world I'm sure there will be more and more opportunities to 'have your cake and eat it too' by splitting time in various domiciles.

[tawillionaire]

(04-18-2014 07:08 PM)DaveR Wrote:  

It all depends on your financial situation, education, native language, etc. I know a few Americans and Europeans who have businesses in Moscow because they can't make better money anywhere else. On the other hand, an IT guy who makes $1500 a month in Russia could get $5000 in the US. A history major who flips burgers in the US can go to China and work as an English tutor for $50 an hour and have Chinese groupies just because his white skin makes him exotic.

There isn't a single scale you can use to compare countries.. you have to look at it from an individual perspective and compare whichever things are important and relevant to that individual.

If you're driven enough to move halfway across the world to China, you won't be flipping burgers for long in the US. We have a lot of opportunities here to make $$ if you put in the effort.

Sure the Chinese groupies would be fun for a little bit but do you really need that for an extended period of time? I would get bored quick.

[Mojorisin808]

I have nothing against the US as much as others do. My situation is ideal for me at the moment, location independent, making bank with a US company, and being able to spend as much time overseas as I want, whether it be EE, SEA, or Latin America. Last year I spent 6 months traveling while working remotely. This year so far 4 months in Mexico. I have a home base in NYC, a bunch of family there, so its important for me to spend at least 3 months a year in the states. Usually I head back to US in the summer. When I head back, I usually have no interest in trying to deal American chics. I would much rather be banging 8+ chics of South America, or Europe, then deal with the snobbyitchy 8's in the states. As I get older, I have less and less patience dealing with bitches.