[speakeasy]

(03-23-2014 04:29 PM)cardguy Wrote:  

In a recent thread I spoke about how - as a man - I actually enjoy harsh reality and bitter truths.

So - please guys - humour me for a second.

Is it not possible that in any situation you can care to imagine - I might, just possibly, have absolutely zero chance until the day the earth is swallowed by the sun with a chick like this?



or



I know. I must be drunk - the idea that on a wet Tuesday morning I couldn't use my looks and charm to swoop these girls off their feet seems insane. Right?

Exactly. Let's get real here. I have zero chance with a chick like that.

And sadly for me - I only find the hottest girls attractive.

So - I really don't think there is a way of talking me out of the feelings I have. You may as well try and convince me that Santa Claus exists.

I share the burden of every man. For I too - am a man...

No point in getting angry over it. You should ask yourself why would these girls choose you in particular over the millions of other men that want them. A legit 10 could be out on Richard Branson's yacht sipping Cristal. Why would she choose you over that? Do you have something better to offer than the top 5% of men can offer? If you can think of no reason why they should choose you, then let it go. It's just the dynamics of the dating market. Either figure out a way to out-compete 95% of other men or just make your peace with banging 6s and 7s.

Hell, many a man ends up marrying women that look like overweight muppets. It's odd to think that 7s are now considered purgatory in some circles. A 7 is actually a very attractive girl. Keep some perspective.

[Chewbacon]

I don't consider myself a particularly high-standard guy when it comes to women. However, I have very peculiar and particular standards. That is, I really only want certain types of girls, disregarding objective indicia of beauty. For example, I'm really into asian girls with heart-shaped faces, apply lots of make up, like to show skin, are slightly curvy, and dress in a certain way (leopard print heels, black leggings, skirts). They can be objectively a 6 or 7, but I will take one of them over an objective 9, because they are my subjective 9. Unfortunately, I NEVER meet a girl like this. NEVER.

What depresses me is when I see a girl I REALLY REALLY WANT (let's say a subjective 9 or 10) with a super average looking/acting/body language/dressed guy. To me, that indicates that in all likelihood, the two of them met not through day or night game, but from purely chance encounters or social circle. Which makes me depressed because I have almost NEVER met my subjective 9 or 10 through my social circles. It makes me trip balls because I'm not sure how or what i should be doing in order to have a social circle that will introduce me to the type of women I want.

[Teedub]

The only depression I get is anger at myself for getting approach anxiety with really hot girls during the day. I'm pissed at myself for a good while after the event, I actually get a bit depressed about it!

[Chewbacon]

(03-24-2014 06:17 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

The only depression I get is anger at myself for getting approach anxiety with really hot girls during the day. I'm pissed at myself for a good while after the event, I actually get a bit depressed about it!

moi aussi.

[cardguy]

@iknowexactly - my original title for the thread was 'Anyone else get depressed when...'

And then my post started - '...see a stunning girl.'

That is known as clickbait - and Roosh edited my thread title to get rid of it since it is an annoying thing to do on a forum!

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Now - I appreciate the responses guys. But I think I am smart enough to realise my depression in these cases is not unwarranted. Most of the advice seems to be to either move abroad - or just approach anyway and get shot down.

I'll be honest - I think even a legit A-list celebrity would have trouble walking up to a random girl and taking her back to a hotel room there and then for a fuck. As such - I think how I feel when I see a super hot girl is ultimately something that has no real cure. I bet even George Clooney sees chicks when he is in a shop that he would like to take back and fuck there and then.

It is what it is.

And as an earlier posters quoted. Even DeliciousTacos (who is an old school trooper) has posted similar feelings on his blog.

Still - I think social game is a big one in the UK. If you work with a chick or know her through a friend of a friend. Or have lectures with her at a university. I would not become depressed. I would see that as a challenge which I could do something about.

But when it comes to walking pass a stunning girl in a supermarket. It really feels like their is nothing I can do about it. But I am definitely going to go away and try and analyse those defeatist feelings since some guys have a legit shot with such girls. And it will be worth exploring that a bit more...

And again - maybe it is a UK thing. But I'm 32 now - and I just can;t help feeling I have more chance of being arrested than of getting a bang if I approach a hot 18 year old girl at random in a public space.

I wouldn't feel like that if I saw more people doing approaches. But I have literally never seen anyone do a cold approach like that in public. So - it really makes you stand out more when you break such a social convention.

[AntiTrace]

You've just defined your issues.

Age and social acceptance.

You can read all the game literature in the world on the two topics, but that will only cloud your had even more.

Go out an act. See if you get arrested. See if the world points at you and laughs if you can't pull the digits. See if someone takes your picture and blasts it all over social media with the label "Mall Creeper!". Sure that shits possible, but the chances are no one will give a fuck or even realize what is going on. And if someone does that just means they have such a meaningless life, that they need to dwell on the lives of others.

I have accomplished many things in life. Many of these things I had previously been told that I couldn't do. Instead of listening to people I just said "hmmm, well fuck it lets go find out."

A guy I know was once told by a high school teacher that he would never be an astronaut. Today that motherfucker has a rejection letter from NASA framed on his wall. He made a copy and sent it that teacher. He takes pride in the rejection. He doesn't see it as a failure. He framed his rejection. He mounted in the middle of his living room for everyone to see. His rejection letter is a prize.

Go get your rejection letter. Fuck what everyone else thinks.

Because you never know, you might actually make it.

[Teedub]

(03-24-2014 07:17 AM)cardguy Wrote:  

But when it comes to walking pass a stunning girl in a supermarket. It really feels like their is nothing I can do about it. But I am definitely going to go away and try and analyse those defeatist feelings since some guys have a legit shot with such girls. And it will be worth exploring that a bit more...

I wouldn't feel like that if I saw more people doing approaches. But I have literally never seen anyone do a cold approach like that in public. So - it really makes you stand out more when you break such a social convention.

You CAN approach in a supermarket. That's what daygame is. And it doesn't have to be obvious to other shoppers. You can go indirect or direct.

As for the street, I think you should look up the Krauser/London Day Game model. There's plenty of free info on the net if you're willing to spend a few hours browsing it.

I know you said not to recommend learning game etc - but just put in a few approaches when you see a hot girl and I'm sure you'll feel better about yourself. Even on just a 6 or 7, you do feel good afterwards. It's a ballsy thing to do and it definitely elevates your mood. I get much more depressed from not approaching through fear than I do of getting knocked back due to her having a boyfriend (which I'm getting a lot in Poland) etc.

[Bill]

Evolution wants you to spend more energy for reproduction. So you could increase it say from 10% to 20% or 40% for a limited time so your reptile brain is satisfied.

[Barron]

(03-23-2014 03:10 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

We're just messengers carrying our genes on order into the future.

what an interesting perspective. it implies that everything in our everyday realities are just a side effect of this one drive

[cardguy]

Humans are the only species who can put their own interests before that of evolution.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-31154-...#pid626689

Evolution is not our friend.

[RockHard]

(03-23-2014 04:12 PM)Grit Wrote:  

You need to make the mental jump from "I have no idea how my actions correlate with the results I want" to "No man has an idea how their actions correlate to the results they want."

Great post Grit. I think that's the crux of depression. What sets me off is feeling like I'm helpless or can't influence events - if I get to feeling like I'm getting dragged behind the bus of life. For me the way out is to take control over something that I can control. In this situation, I can't control her reaction. What I can control is my action, or lack of it.

[RockHard]

(03-24-2014 08:16 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 07:17 AM)cardguy Wrote:  

I wouldn't feel like that if I saw more people doing approaches. But I have literally never seen anyone do a cold approach like that in public. So - it really makes you stand out more when you break such a social convention.

You CAN approach in a supermarket. That's what daygame is. And it doesn't have to be obvious to other shoppers. You can go indirect or direct.

As for the street, I think you should look up the Krauser/London Day Game model. There's plenty of free info on the net if you're willing to spend a few hours browsing it.

Great advice. Go look at Krauser's blog, also GoodLookingLoser has some infields. Whether or not their technique works for you is moot, the point is that they're doing it.

I mentioned in my last post about taking control of what you can control. So what if you've never seen anyone do it? You can imagine your own future and create possibilities, not take whatever comes your way. The world is a big place, full of things that you and I have never dreamed possible.

I've got a quote from Thoreau tattooed on the inside of my eyelids (well, not really, but I remind myself of this all the time).

Quote:

If one advances confidently in the direction of his dreams, and endeavors to live the life which he has imagined, he will meet with a success unexpected in common hours.

[soup]

This here is a newbie thread.

[General Mayhem]

The real problem is after you bang a really hot girl, and shortly thereafter discover that she is a complete sociopath who can't cook. Now, that is something to complain about.

[thebassist]

(03-23-2014 11:54 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

Most things unattainable are depressing. But two important points to consider when depression is starting to creep up on you about this:

1). Approaching a guy for friendship out of the blue would be almost as "unattainable."

Try it. See a strange guy pass by and attempt to befriend him. I've had men do this and it spooked me. My guess is that you'd actually have a better shot getting the girl's number.

2). Circumstance makes women "unattainable."

When I did graphic design for a newspaper company in college the woman who sat next to me was a part-time model-turned-designer. She was really hot the first week. Then after I saw her again and again she became less hot, except on days she dressed up. Then she invited me out and insisted I eat this weird health food dinner (whole wheat spaghetti). I didn't make a play for her: I was dating someone, she was older, she was a co-worker...and her health food lectures began to drive me nuts. But her interest made me feel like I could have. So, she became another female friend (of many) I sort of flirted with.

But had I breezed by her at a mall, I'd probably have felt the wistfulness of seeing the "unattainable."

Very well put. I'm sure everyone has a similar experience that they can relate to.

No woman is ever as beautiful as she is the first moment you see her.

The moment the interaction begins, she ceases to be an ideal, and becomes a human being, flawed, just like everyone else.

[MrLemon]

(03-23-2014 04:29 PM)cardguy Wrote:  

In a recent thread I spoke about how - as a man - I actually enjoy harsh reality and bitter truths.

So - please guys - humour me for a second.

Is it not possible that in any situation you can care to imagine - I might, just possibly, have absolutely zero chance until the day the earth is swallowed by the sun with a chick like this?



or



I know. I must be drunk - the idea that on a wet Tuesday morning I couldn't use my looks and charm to swoop these girls off their feet seems insane. Right?

Exactly. Let's get real here. I have zero chance with a chick like that.

And sadly for me - I only find the hottest girls attractive.

So - I really don't think there is a way of talking me out of the feelings I have. You may as well try and convince me that Santa Claus exists.

I share the burden of every man. For I too - am a man...

These women aren't hot. That's the real issues here.

They look like total scum. I wouldn't not touch them if they walked up to me and offered themselves for free.

No, I'm not bullshitting. Really. Would not touch them. Have had women better looking than this come on to me and I walked away.

I know this may be hard to believe when when you are horny. But you have to look at these "gorgeous" women and realize that they are absolutely NOT gorgeous. You should NOT be chasing them. They are shitheads, complete and total. Whatever you see on the outside is so fake, so unreal, that as soon as you touch them, you find out that they are basically vampires on the inside. Dead souls, hateful personality.

Here's another way to look at it. Let's say you fell head over heels for a really hot looking chick...and then found out "she" was really a "he". She was a transexual. You'd be repulsed...right? You'd feel like, you were tricked by fake exterior makeup and hollywood trickery, into seeing this beauty when it was just fake.

Or another example...go to a strip club. You'll temporarily fall in love with one of the strippers. They are experts and tricking you. Then just try to date one of these gals...yuck. They are basically scum (most of them).

So stop wanting these fakes. That's my advice, which of course you are free to totally ignore

[sox]

(03-24-2014 11:57 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 04:29 PM)cardguy Wrote:  

In a recent thread I spoke about how - as a man - I actually enjoy harsh reality and bitter truths.

So - please guys - humour me for a second.

Is it not possible that in any situation you can care to imagine - I might, just possibly, have absolutely zero chance until the day the earth is swallowed by the sun with a chick like this?



or



I know. I must be drunk - the idea that on a wet Tuesday morning I couldn't use my looks and charm to swoop these girls off their feet seems insane. Right?

Exactly. Let's get real here. I have zero chance with a chick like that.

And sadly for me - I only find the hottest girls attractive.

So - I really don't think there is a way of talking me out of the feelings I have. You may as well try and convince me that Santa Claus exists.

I share the burden of every man. For I too - am a man...

These women aren't hot. That's the real issues here.

They look like total scum. I wouldn't not touch them if they walked up to me and offered themselves for free.

No, I'm not bullshitting. Really. Would not touch them. Have had women better looking than this come on to me and I walked away.

I know this may be hard to believe when when you are horny. But you have to look at these "gorgeous" women and realize that they are absolutely NOT gorgeous. You should NOT be chasing them. They are shitheads, complete and total. Whatever you see on the outside is so fake, so unreal, that as soon as you touch them, you find out that they are basically vampires on the inside. Dead souls, hateful personality.

Here's another way to look at it. Let's say you fell head over heels for a really hot looking chick...and then found out "she" was really a "he". She was a transexual. You'd be repulsed...right? You'd feel like, you were tricked by fake exterior makeup and hollywood trickery, into seeing this beauty when it was just fake.

Or another example...go to a strip club. You'll temporarily fall in love with one of the strippers. They are experts and tricking you. Then just try to date one of these gals...yuck. They are basically scum (most of them).

So stop wanting these fakes. That's my advice, which of course you are free to totally ignore

Scum? You're not impressing anyone man. I'm sure card appreciates being told his idea of hot is disgusting. I agree they're not 10's, but they're still hot and eminently bangable.

[MrLemon]

(03-24-2014 12:23 PM)sox Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 11:57 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 04:29 PM)cardguy Wrote:  

In a recent thread I spoke about how - as a man - I actually enjoy harsh reality and bitter truths.

So - please guys - humour me for a second.

Is it not possible that in any situation you can care to imagine - I might, just possibly, have absolutely zero chance until the day the earth is swallowed by the sun with a chick like this?



or



I know. I must be drunk - the idea that on a wet Tuesday morning I couldn't use my looks and charm to swoop these girls off their feet seems insane. Right?

Exactly. Let's get real here. I have zero chance with a chick like that.

And sadly for me - I only find the hottest girls attractive.

So - I really don't think there is a way of talking me out of the feelings I have. You may as well try and convince me that Santa Claus exists.

I share the burden of every man. For I too - am a man...

These women aren't hot. That's the real issues here.

They look like total scum. I wouldn't not touch them if they walked up to me and offered themselves for free.

No, I'm not bullshitting. Really. Would not touch them. Have had women better looking than this come on to me and I walked away.

I know this may be hard to believe when when you are horny. But you have to look at these "gorgeous" women and realize that they are absolutely NOT gorgeous. You should NOT be chasing them. They are shitheads, complete and total. Whatever you see on the outside is so fake, so unreal, that as soon as you touch them, you find out that they are basically vampires on the inside. Dead souls, hateful personality.

Here's another way to look at it. Let's say you fell head over heels for a really hot looking chick...and then found out "she" was really a "he". She was a transexual. You'd be repulsed...right? You'd feel like, you were tricked by fake exterior makeup and hollywood trickery, into seeing this beauty when it was just fake.

Or another example...go to a strip club. You'll temporarily fall in love with one of the strippers. They are experts and tricking you. Then just try to date one of these gals...yuck. They are basically scum (most of them).

So stop wanting these fakes. That's my advice, which of course you are free to totally ignore

Scum? You're not impressing anyone man. I'm sure card appreciates being told his idea of hot is disgusting. I agree they're not 10's, but they're still hot and eminently bangable.

I'm not trying to impress anyone. This is just my opinion and anybody who disagrees, fine, they can consider me an idiot.

The OP was talking about "harsh reality and bitter truths". Ok I'm presenting a harsh reality.

We are programmed by society to look at these sluts and call them "hot". I think that's bullshit. I they look like shit. They look rude, mean, angry, slutty, and completely selfish. These kind of girls are almost always crappy in bed. They flake and waste your time, and time is precious.

[General Mayhem]

(03-24-2014 11:57 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 04:29 PM)cardguy Wrote:  

In a recent thread I spoke about how - as a man - I actually enjoy harsh reality and bitter truths.

So - please guys - humour me for a second.

Is it not possible that in any situation you can care to imagine - I might, just possibly, have absolutely zero chance until the day the earth is swallowed by the sun with a chick like this?



or



I know. I must be drunk - the idea that on a wet Tuesday morning I couldn't use my looks and charm to swoop these girls off their feet seems insane. Right?

Exactly. Let's get real here. I have zero chance with a chick like that.

And sadly for me - I only find the hottest girls attractive.

So - I really don't think there is a way of talking me out of the feelings I have. You may as well try and convince me that Santa Claus exists.

I share the burden of every man. For I too - am a man...

These women aren't hot. That's the real issues here.

They look like total scum. I wouldn't not touch them if they walked up to me and offered themselves for free.

No, I'm not bullshitting. Really. Would not touch them. Have had women better looking than this come on to me and I walked away.

I know this may be hard to believe when when you are horny. But you have to look at these "gorgeous" women and realize that they are absolutely NOT gorgeous. You should NOT be chasing them. They are shitheads, complete and total. Whatever you see on the outside is so fake, so unreal, that as soon as you touch them, you find out that they are basically vampires on the inside. Dead souls, hateful personality.

Here's another way to look at it. Let's say you fell head over heels for a really hot looking chick...and then found out "she" was really a "he". She was a transexual. You'd be repulsed...right? You'd feel like, you were tricked by fake exterior makeup and hollywood trickery, into seeing this beauty when it was just fake.

Or another example...go to a strip club. You'll temporarily fall in love with one of the strippers. They are experts and tricking you. Then just try to date one of these gals...yuck. They are basically scum (most of them).

So stop wanting these fakes. That's my advice, which of course you are free to totally ignore

He's right. This is much better.


C'mon guys let's start chasing girls who are real instead of these fake "scumbags."

In all seriousness, Card's definition of hot is not the problem.

[bojangles]

You wouldn't touch those girls? I'd leave my hot cum in their assholes ffs.

Cardguy I don't get depressed, I approach them, unless of course circumstances dictate I can't approach then I do get annoyed at myself but more spurred up to make sure the next hot girl does not get missed.

[sox]

(03-24-2014 12:41 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 12:23 PM)sox Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 11:57 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 04:29 PM)cardguy Wrote:  

In a recent thread I spoke about how - as a man - I actually enjoy harsh reality and bitter truths.

So - please guys - humour me for a second.

Is it not possible that in any situation you can care to imagine - I might, just possibly, have absolutely zero chance until the day the earth is swallowed by the sun with a chick like this?



or



I know. I must be drunk - the idea that on a wet Tuesday morning I couldn't use my looks and charm to swoop these girls off their feet seems insane. Right?

Exactly. Let's get real here. I have zero chance with a chick like that.

And sadly for me - I only find the hottest girls attractive.

So - I really don't think there is a way of talking me out of the feelings I have. You may as well try and convince me that Santa Claus exists.

I share the burden of every man. For I too - am a man...

These women aren't hot. That's the real issues here.

They look like total scum. I wouldn't not touch them if they walked up to me and offered themselves for free.

No, I'm not bullshitting. Really. Would not touch them. Have had women better looking than this come on to me and I walked away.

I know this may be hard to believe when when you are horny. But you have to look at these "gorgeous" women and realize that they are absolutely NOT gorgeous. You should NOT be chasing them. They are shitheads, complete and total. Whatever you see on the outside is so fake, so unreal, that as soon as you touch them, you find out that they are basically vampires on the inside. Dead souls, hateful personality.

Here's another way to look at it. Let's say you fell head over heels for a really hot looking chick...and then found out "she" was really a "he". She was a transexual. You'd be repulsed...right? You'd feel like, you were tricked by fake exterior makeup and hollywood trickery, into seeing this beauty when it was just fake.

Or another example...go to a strip club. You'll temporarily fall in love with one of the strippers. They are experts and tricking you. Then just try to date one of these gals...yuck. They are basically scum (most of them).

So stop wanting these fakes. That's my advice, which of course you are free to totally ignore

Scum? You're not impressing anyone man. I'm sure card appreciates being told his idea of hot is disgusting. I agree they're not 10's, but they're still hot and eminently bangable.

I'm not trying to impress anyone. This is just my opinion and anybody who disagrees, fine, they can consider me an idiot.

The OP was talking about "harsh reality and bitter truths". Ok I'm presenting a harsh reality.

We are programmed by society to look at these sluts and call them "hot". I think that's bullshit. I they look like shit. They look rude, mean, angry, slutty, and completely selfish. These kind of girls are almost always crappy in bed. They flake and waste your time, and time is precious.

I don't think you're an idiot, just that we're not really talking about dating here. You're making personality/value judgments based on their photos, which really does nothing to say how hot they are objectively.

A better way to put it would have been yes, these chicks may appear sexy, but the second you get past that approach you could hate everything about them, and realize they're human and most likely annoying, flakey, entitled bitches that don't deserve to be pedestalized in the first place.

[younggamer1992]

(03-23-2014 04:29 PM)cardguy Wrote:  

In a recent thread I spoke about how - as a man - I actually enjoy harsh reality and bitter truths.

So - please guys - humour me for a second.

Is it not possible that in any situation you can care to imagine - I might, just possibly, have absolutely zero chance until the day the earth is swallowed by the sun with a chick like this?



or



I know. I must be drunk - the idea that on a wet Tuesday morning I couldn't use my looks and charm to swoop these girls off their feet seems insane. Right?

Exactly. Let's get real here. I have zero chance with a chick like that.

And sadly for me - I only find the hottest girls attractive.

So - I really don't think there is a way of talking me out of the feelings I have. You may as well try and convince me that Santa Claus exists.

I share the burden of every man. For I too - am a man...

I don't know if this is just me but the first girl is not hot but the second one is really sexy. It's weird to me you'd post a 7 and 10(to me) and call them both tens, but I guess everyone has unique tastes.
But look, no one is overly impressed with these girls you posted, so even though you think they're so stunning and you would be depressed if you looked at them on the street, maybe theyre not so stunning afterall if other men don't find them that attractive. So that should make you realize that you need to stop putting girls on a pedestal.

[cardguy]

Please - I typed in 'hot girl' into google and picked out those two pictures.

I think they are hot - but this isn't the 'What do you consider a 10 thread?'

So - best not get sidetracked since I spent about 5 seconds looking over some images before picking out those two pictures.

So as a loser myself. The best advice I have heard so far is hire a hooker, become a sex tourist - or approach a chick and get blown out. But not to worry - at least you achieved something.

Cool - but has anyone got any real experience of approaching a legit '9' or '10' in the street and taking her away for a bang? Does that actually happen anywhere other than in a James Bond movie? Has this happened to anyone? Not just on the forum - but ever.

In all of human recorded history?

[el mechanico]

I told you what to do and you never responded.

[Teedub]

Cardguy, you know we're cool man but I've got to say you're kind of throwing people's advice back in their faces with posts like that.

I know from people on here that I trust, that guys like Mcqueen have success with girls that you're talking about fairly regularly. Maybe not always on the street but at least in bars and clubs.

I asked a solid 8 who works in the shop near my Wroclaw apartment out last week...she was flattered but had a boyfriend. No big deal, it was a joy talking to her and I've been in since and the conversation was pleasant. She didn't laugh or wasn't rude to me.

And people weren't saying become a sex tourist...they were saying become a love tourist, there's a difference!