[RXB]

When I started learning game I read everything. Seriously, I bought ever eBook (as long as it was under $50) and watched every video I could find. I lurked this forum and some other places too like r/seduction.

My game sucked. I had way too many different theories and styles in my head and I would over analyze everything.

I thought "game sucks" and dropped all the books. Instead I started to just go out to bars and talk to girls. I think "hey" was my original opener. While my conversions sucked, I learned more and started getting better. I figured out what did and didn't work for me and went from there.

After a while I realized that game didn't suck. In fact, I'd been inadvertently creating my own style of it. What had sucked was my implementation of game. I had been so obsessed with getting great game that I had forgotten to go out and develop it.

Game is like anything else. Reading about it won't teach nearly as much as practicing it will.

[Goldmund]

Big boss alpha Latin lover.

haha, have him get on here and break his game down.

"Look at american girl with my glowing gold skin, pouty fat lips, greasy black hair and bedroom eyes. Ask if she wants to make love."

[Travesty]

(03-19-2014 05:58 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

Well, guess Roosh can shut down this blog and we can all never study Game again.

I didn't realize it was just about working out, dressing nice and going out.


I have massive post planned for a thread later today covering this 'movement' I've been seeing emerge that Game isn't needed anymore.

Complete myth which I'll break down.

Yes.

I would rather have:

- experienced approaching and hitting on 3,000 different 8's and 9's
- with this experience developing and putting into practice eviscerating every shit-test imaginable
- an unshakable Frame
- develop so much comfort in venues (day or night) where 8's and 9's hang out that it feels like my living room (gather social connections that follow)

with: a mediocre physique and bank roll, decent style on a budget

Vs.

- being jacked
- having a great bankroll
- $$$ for the best style
- only approached/gamed a few dozen 7+s a year total
- spending sub par amounts of time in the right venues/areas

Of course I am talking about getting bangs. It is optimal to have both. But for bangs experience and pushing your Game limits and Charisma is king.

[Kieran]

^ Exactly. I know far too many men that have everything going for them physically and logistically, as well as good social skills and confidence, but that struggle with women.

I'm glad someone finally said it. Obviously working on your looks and circumstances is important too, and makes game more effective. I would have thought that didn't need to be said. But all anyone seems to say these days is lift more / dress better, like it's the solution to all problems with women. Some of these people must not go out that much.

[mikado]

You must remain realistic too. Sure you can lift, dress better etc etc. But if you are not good-looking form the get go, or ugly, then doesn't matter your game, you'll not get consistenly them 8 and 9s.
Personnally I know I am not, and while this does not prevent me from gaming chicks and improving my lifestyle, I know that at least until I get older, have more money and status, I will probably get some 7s at best.

[Kieran]

^ You're putting the 8s and 9s on a pedestal. They're only girls.

[funkyzeit]

1. Muscular body
2. Good clothes
3. Low stress and anxiety

There is no reason for an average man not to be in shape today. Gyms aren't expensive, supplements (you don't need many) aren't expensive, foods like chicken and vegetables aren't expensive. Dbol, test-e or even DNP are cheap as fuck and highly effective if you aren't using them like a suicidal retard.

Having a good style is easy. Good tailors in my country are really cheap, a custom vest with custom buttons will cost you $20, having your shirts tailored will cost you like $7. Also, you'll be surprised how much good stuff is there in cheap $5 shops.



This full outfit will cost you 40-50 bucks (with tailoring) if you know places to shop in.

As for the stress and anxiety, theanine, regular workouts and a good sleep is all you need.

[Wahawahwah]

(03-19-2014 10:22 AM)LeightonBlackstock Wrote:  

Buy shirt that fits FFS

Leighton.
You play Dota?

[Que enspastic]

How much does chicken cost in US? It's expensive in some places for sure

[WestIndianArchie]

Horrible article and misleading title.

Everything I see from that dude is ex football jock bro bullshit. It reads very much like someone without game, or who thinks that it's merely a numbers game.

I would say more, but I don't want to ruffle any feathers.

WIA

[soup]

(03-20-2014 04:08 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Horrible article and misleading title.

Everything I see from that dude is ex football jock bro bullshit. It reads very much like someone without game, or who thinks that it's merely a numbers game.

I would say more, but I don't want to ruffle any feathers.

WIA

I agree on some points, but the I think GLL's success is proof that guys these days have to be maxed out on their appearance.

That guy is not the most handsome guy in the world, but he's ripped, and that helps him a lot. But, you don't have to be ripped. You could look like the king of some other tribe.

Let's recognize that which works, and jettison the stuff that doesn't.

[bacan]

WIA you're a good poster .. Just share your opinion

Worst case scenario you ruffle feathers and this thread gets as long as McQueen's

I think GLL's advice is heavily influenced by his own experience as a guy who has a top 1% body but as far as I can tell doesn't use a ton of charisma

I recently gave a super hot girl what I felt like was one of the best nights of her life through a combination of my charm, humor, dancing, languages (we weren't speaking English), and just overall swagger and game..we were the hottest couple and had more fun there than anyone else by a mile too

I'm pretty sure GLL could not have bagged this girl by just being jacked and low energy... just like I'm pretty sure that he bags tons of hot LA girls that wouldn't be interested in me because I don't have the biggest biceps or wear the most expensive clothes..

[bacan]

And WIA, he does treat it like a numbers game..

One camp thinks that game can be used to start with a girl who hasn't made up her mind and game her to build her attraction to you

GLL thinks that you need to meet a girls looks threshold or you're not gonna make much progress

I think his biggest contribution is helping guys understand the concept of screening and being aggressive vs being a funny man

I've definitely made the mistake of spending too much time entertaining girls without screening for their sexual availability

If I had one particular girl that really struck me I'd try to game her as much as possible

But if I'm going out to maximize my odds of bringing a girl home I'm going to be aggressive and screen

Or as they simply describe it..

Go out
Touch a bunch of girls
See which ones don't mind
Go from there

Yeah once you have built up elite looks you can pretty much go out, touch girls in a way that reveals if they are DTF or not, and then fuck them

To be honest I'm juuust just starting on trying to use screening/aggressive game when I go out so my opinion might change in the coming months / years

[bacan]

I think GLL has game in terms of confidence, swagger, killer instinct, knowing how to close, knowing how to not waste his time with women that are not DTF even though he doesn't use what we traditionally think of as verbal game in terms of intentionally trying to be cocky, funny, qualify girls, do push/pull, etc. He basically just has a cool vibe and an elite body and that's enough.

Look at this great link from the OKcupid thread (thanks pizzasuit):

(03-21-2014 08:20 AM)PizzaSult Wrote:  

Good looking Loser has a post about how to set your profile up to screen girls that are DTF. I've not implemented it myself, so I can't speak for it's validity, but the concepts make sense and could work for you since you've update your photos and are having success with them.

http://www.goodlookingloser.com/2012/07/...y-of-fish/

He just bangs that hot blonde girl with borderline retarded looking dialogue and pictures of his elite body. I can see why he says stuff like what you say hardly even matters if you have your body and style right. I think I agree with him that looks matter a lot if you are trying to have sex with a girl in one night or one date: http://www.goodlookingloser.com/2013/04/...-to-women/

I don't think the forum needs to feel like his ideas are bullshit. He is on the same team as Roosh, even mentioned him in his second most recent post. http://www.goodlookingloser.com/2014/03/...ge-part-1/

Both him and Roosh use forms of screening for DTF girls - his is just more aggressive with touching where as Roosh's style is more based on responses to comments/questions that compose his "fuck funnel": http://www.rooshv.com/how-to-choose-the-...r-fast-sex

[rhodey]

(03-21-2014 08:22 AM)bacan Wrote:  

WIA you're a good poster .. Just share your opinion

Worst case scenario you ruffle feathers and this thread gets as long as McQueen's

I think GLL's advice is heavily influenced by his own experience as a guy who has a top 1% body but as far as I can tell doesn't use a ton of charisma

I recently gave a super hot girl what I felt like was one of the best nights of her life through a combination of my charm, humor, dancing, languages (we weren't speaking English), and just overall swagger and game..we were the hottest couple and had more fun there than anyone else by a mile too

I'm pretty sure GLL could not have bagged this girl by just being jacked and low energy... just like I'm pretty sure that he bags tons of hot LA girls that wouldn't be interested in me because I don't have the biggest biceps or wear the most expensive clothes..

Not hating on the guy, actually I agree with his message, but what is so elite about is physique?



The way he looks now is attainable by most mens willing to put in just a little consistent effort in the gym. Victor Pride on the left seems to be more impressive ....

[deathtofatties]

(03-21-2014 11:01 AM)rhodey Wrote:  

(03-21-2014 08:22 AM)bacan Wrote:  

WIA you're a good poster .. Just share your opinion

Worst case scenario you ruffle feathers and this thread gets as long as McQueen's

I think GLL's advice is heavily influenced by his own experience as a guy who has a top 1% body but as far as I can tell doesn't use a ton of charisma

I recently gave a super hot girl what I felt like was one of the best nights of her life through a combination of my charm, humor, dancing, languages (we weren't speaking English), and just overall swagger and game..we were the hottest couple and had more fun there than anyone else by a mile too

I'm pretty sure GLL could not have bagged this girl by just being jacked and low energy... just like I'm pretty sure that he bags tons of hot LA girls that wouldn't be interested in me because I don't have the biggest biceps or wear the most expensive clothes..

Not hating on the guy, actually I agree with his message, but what is so elite about is physique?



The way he looks now is attainable by most mens willing to put in just a little consistent effort in the gym. Victor Pride on the left seems to be more impressive ....

When was that picture taken? I'm pretty sure he's much more jacked than that atm.

[deathtofatties]

You guys are all over-analyzing GoodLookingLoser (Chris) and his game.

He's not saying that game as a whole is bullshit; rather I think what he poorly articulated was that no amount of game is an adequate substitute for lack of alpha-ness. There are alpha males that have no game and fail at getting decent looking girls, but far rarer than that, you'll hardly find skinny nerds that argue about pickup theory getting much of anything.

An alpha with a sprinkle of game, but average confidence, will generally out perform the nerd that reads PUA forums all day and thinks he has confidence.

There's no replacement for alpha, and a lot of alpha-ness comes from experience as well as time in the gym.


All game really boils down to being perceived as alpha, and having tight logistics, which is also alpha. Being Alpha = Game.

[NothingIsRealLife]

I don't disagree with him but...

This guy is pretty ugly (jacked with steroids however), so If he pulls chicks, he kinda contradicts himself

[rhodey]

(03-21-2014 11:11 AM)deathtofatties Wrote:  

(03-21-2014 11:01 AM)rhodey Wrote:  

(03-21-2014 08:22 AM)bacan Wrote:  

WIA you're a good poster .. Just share your opinion

Worst case scenario you ruffle feathers and this thread gets as long as McQueen's

I think GLL's advice is heavily influenced by his own experience as a guy who has a top 1% body but as far as I can tell doesn't use a ton of charisma

I recently gave a super hot girl what I felt like was one of the best nights of her life through a combination of my charm, humor, dancing, languages (we weren't speaking English), and just overall swagger and game..we were the hottest couple and had more fun there than anyone else by a mile too

I'm pretty sure GLL could not have bagged this girl by just being jacked and low energy... just like I'm pretty sure that he bags tons of hot LA girls that wouldn't be interested in me because I don't have the biggest biceps or wear the most expensive clothes..

Not hating on the guy, actually I agree with his message, but what is so elite about is physique?



The way he looks now is attainable by most mens willing to put in just a little consistent effort in the gym. Victor Pride on the left seems to be more impressive ....

When was that picture taken? I'm pretty sure he's much more jacked than that atm.

It's s few weeks - maybe a month old, he and Vic recently recorded a series of podcasts and they mentioned meeting in Idaho. Either way it probably proves you don't need to be huge to pull, athletic is probably better for broader appeal.

I will say in my opinion attraction comes before game. IMO, no amount game can make an women who is not attracted to you willing to Fck you.

So really that defines your starting point if your not already there in terms of looks and at tractability. After that then sure the focus should be on "game" although some would say just improving your looks is part of "game"

The thing is no one wants to define what game is. Some (like myself) feel developing a balanced life and investing in yourself is the best from of game. Others feel this is not enough, and maybe they're correct, but I haven't been presented with an argument yet that has persuaded me otherwise .

[soup]

Breing attractive is part of game..

[mikado]

(03-21-2014 03:03 PM)soup Wrote:  

Breing attractive is part of game..

Not being unattractive IS the game.

[bacan]

(03-21-2014 03:03 PM)soup Wrote:  

Breing attractive is part of game..

So a guy who is born with good looks genetically but sounds like an idiot when he opens his mouth has game? come on now - that's absurd

Let's separate the factors that make women want to sleep with us into component parts so we can be analytical about stuff.

Lumping everything into "game" is unproductive.

[soup]

Opening your mouth and sounding like an idiot is unattractive.

The word you are looking for is handsome.

[WestIndianArchie]

(03-21-2014 08:22 AM)bacan Wrote:  

WIA you're a good poster .. Just share your opinion

I'm not trying to get all meltdown and head out like the homey Hencredible...

But

Sure GLL's advice might be sales copy, preaching to the converted, but

HE'S WRONG.
HE'S DEAD WRONG.
HE'S WRONGER THAN LINDY WEST IN A PAIR OF LULULEMON'S

And for the various people talking about how game hasn't been defined, lemme define it for you


Game is what you do and say to make a girl do what you want her to do.

Period.

The term "game" doesn't come from a book written by Neil Strauss.

They "borrowed" it, like they borrowed everything else from an underworld that celebrates game. They probably heard it once removed via hip hop. The fact that most people think they came up with "Who Lies More, men or women" means that most of these sorry idiots never watched Chris Rock's 1996 Comedy Special Bring the Pain.

Now lemme get off that soap box, and get on a different one.

If men had to meet some arbitrary "threshold of physical attractiveness" the human race would grind to a fucking halt. (well everywhere that doesn't have arranged marriages)

More importantly, if you can't bang a chick because you don't meet her "threshold of attractiveness"

Guess what partner? YOU DON'T HAVE GAME.

Game doesn't mean you say some magic words and Gisele Bundchen magically appears and falls to her knees.

For you fuckers who believe in 9's and 10's, Game means that you can punch way above your fighting weight, your sexual marketplace value.

And seriously, how is he gonna diss Mystery and Style for weird complicated canned routines and then come up with a phrase, "threshold of attractiveness"

Just cause you have muscles, doesn't mean you're not a nerd.

People who fall for his line of bullshit, really don't pay attention to the world around them, and really don't pay attention to the women they fuck, or the women in their lives.

Seriously, people don't think that their little blonde chick has never fucked a guy that didn't have 6 figure income and 6 pack abs?

They don't see their girlfriends, sisters, aunts, cousins, moms falling for guys that aren't Brad Clooney, or George Pitt?

Next new bitch you fuck, get her to tell you about all the skanky shit she's done, and her boyfriends, and her jump offs. Ever fucked a fat guy? White guy? Black guy? Jew? dude with bad breath? A short guy?

Run through your little list of "I bet she would never fuck a _____" and find out the truth.

YOU WILL BE AMAZED. Or disheartened. But the truth is, these bitches got raging hormones. It will really fuck with you to realize that it's not just this one bitch in your bed, it's every woman you know.

And unless you're a silverback gorilla with the ability to use the internet, MISS ME WITH THAT ALPHA THIS, BETA THAT, OMEGA THIS, SIGMA BULLSHIT. Men that are good with women, aren't necessarily good with men. And men that can lead other men, usually don't have a clue when it comes to women.

So lemme start you non-believers on a self-test on whether you have game.

Can you talk to a bitch?
Can you get her to stop being a bitch?
Can you make her laugh?
Can you make her get silly?
Can you call a bitch out?
Can you correct her?
Can you teach her?
Can you guide her?
Can you make her mad, and then make her smile?

If so, you might have game.
If not, you might not have game yet.

But if you think that you've got to meet some imaginary threshold of attractiveness...there's no hope for you. You clearly don't get it. Might as well stick to your niche and maximize that shit.

If you want to look like the Incredible Hulk and pull muscle sluts, cool.

If you want to look like a strung out on heroin drummer from a neo-glam dance rock band and pull hipster chicks that aspire to to be Suicide girls, do that.

You'd still be better learning game, and not relying on social familiarity, alcohol and tight logistics.

Game, for the most part, all you're doing is talking to her. You're seeing the true person that she is. You're looking past the make up, the high heels, the reverse slit dress, the liquor, and all of that camouflage.

Now a I know a number of you want to go back and forth with me, talking about various impossible situations, looking for some kind of logical trap or verbal conundrum, on some, "AHA, I'VE GOT YOU CORNERED WITH WORDS"

I'm not getting involved in any of that.
This thread angers me so much, that I'm not going to open this thread again.

You can either believe some dude on the internet, me or GLL, or you can look around your world and take notice of the massive variety in a guys that pull, and who girls will fuck.

If you take your blinders off, you'll see the real possibilities.

That's the true red pill of game.

It's not that feminists control the world, it's that these guys are fucking these hot chicks based on what they say. Not what they have, not what they look like, but what they say.

WIA

[RawGod]

GLL strikes me as suffering from body dysmorphia. He has transformed his body with the help of steroids into something weirdly shaped, covered it with tattoos, and is into penis enlargement. I'm not surprised he emphasises the primacy of looks when it comes to getting girls. He has obsessive insecurities along those lines.