[TravelerKai]

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All the above comes with the caveat that I prefer to pick my fruit from the tree. I hate clubs: too many burners, too much thirst, and staying out late just F's up the next morning, I like to get up in the morning and grind, but that's just me. If you like some tore up club skank, I can't help you with that. Actually, you shouldn't really need any help there!

Nicely stated. Thanks for confirming guys like Badwolf and I about Chinese nightlcubs. The ROI on them sucks, they are unnecessary, and the quality of the women in there are just not good overall.... China is not Colombia.

[clever alias]

clubs are the best place to pick up the EE women who work as promoters/models/bottle girls

[Moon and Sixpence]

(07-19-2014 10:45 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

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All the above comes with the caveat that I prefer to pick my fruit from the tree. I hate clubs: too many burners, too much thirst, and staying out late just F's up the next morning, I like to get up in the morning and grind, but that's just me. If you like some tore up club skank, I can't help you with that. Actually, you shouldn't really need any help there!

Nicely stated. Thanks for confirming guys like Badwolf and I about Chinese nightlcubs. The ROI on them sucks, they are unnecessary, and the quality of the women in there are just not good overall.... China is not Colombia.

Yeah, China is REALLY not Colombia. I am not a big fan of traveling for poon, but if you are going to do it, don't go to China. It's just not that easy a place for the short term stayers.

[Moon and Sixpence]

(07-19-2014 01:16 AM)G_global Wrote:  

^^ Spot on, this, and really applicable for the most part whether you're black or white or whatever. I actually don't disagree with anything at all in this post, and i've experienced most of it personally.

Moon, where do you spend your time in China?

I lived in Shanghai for the vast majority of my time there, but I tried to travel a lot on weekends. Ahh, the wonders of an affordable, efficient rail system.

[TravelerKai]

(07-19-2014 07:48 PM)Moon and Sixpence Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 10:45 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

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All the above comes with the caveat that I prefer to pick my fruit from the tree. I hate clubs: too many burners, too much thirst, and staying out late just F's up the next morning, I like to get up in the morning and grind, but that's just me. If you like some tore up club skank, I can't help you with that. Actually, you shouldn't really need any help there!

Nicely stated. Thanks for confirming guys like Badwolf and I about Chinese nightlcubs. The ROI on them sucks, they are unnecessary, and the quality of the women in there are just not good overall.... China is not Colombia.

Yeah, China is REALLY not Colombia. I am not a big fan of traveling for poon, but if you are going to do it, don't go to China. It's just not that easy a place for the short term stayers.

I think it is fairly easy for short term stays if you know how to prepare properly before you go. Online game, social circle game, etc. with plenty of planned dates can help black guys alot. Meet one or two in one city, go to another for a few, rinse and repeat.... I never spend more than a month in China a stretch, but I had tons of success compared to the US each trip. I added a section to my dating guide for black guys and some of the guys here are reviewing it, and I go into deeper detail about it. I'm trying to wrap everything up pretty soon so that we can all discuss and compare strategies better.

But yeah overall China is not necessarily a place you can swim in pussy as soon as you hop off a plane with no planning/prep at all.

[americanInEurope]

To the OP,

Forget China, unless you are into banging your head against the wall in frustration. Their white worship level there is beyond redemption. The only possible situation where I can see an American black guy, polished or not, getting quality bangs often, is if you find small section somewhere in a Chinese city where materialism hasn't taken hold as strong. But good luck finding a job, as they only seem to want to hire white people. You'll probably end up sharing sloppy seconds with African dudes passing around the club hoes in the 3 clubs open to us in the city.

Japan is probably the most progressive country in far east Asia, if not then it's in the top 3. They have white worship in there too, but not on such a sick and disturbing level seen in China and Korea. I've lived there for a few years and my theory and humble opinion is, 1) like any nation with wealthy citizens, Japan has access to all kinds of information and are genuinely curious about Afro American culture, among other curious things that are not Japanese. Not all, but some. They actually have a curiosity for things different. 2) White people bring all kinds of stuff to the shores of Japan, so it's not uncommon to see a Japanese person learn about black culture from white people (no matter how frightening that sounds), if not from TV or the Internet. When Japanese see white people into the NYC graffiti or hip hop movement, they gravitate towards that out of curiosity. A lot of the trends in Japan are trendy because they are popular in white America and Europe, so if Africa or hip hop or booty dancing or whatever is what white people are into at the moment, it will resonate in Japan. Hopefully we'll see the day where the current US trend of shaming racist will become popular in Japan and Asia just like hip hop and RnB. And 3) the US military has been in Japan since the 1950's. With that comes DIRECT exposure to American culture, which involves black culture. You have so many examples of black Americans in Roppongi, Yokosuka, Yokohama, Hiroshima, Osaka and Misawa, that interest and curiosity was inevitable. You also have some US corporations in Tokyo that hire blacks, and from experience as a part time eikaiwa, it is possible to teach English as a black guy. Korea and the Philippines has/had bases too, but I think people there are way more interested in moving up in the world than learning about non-white culture. From my experience, that's only something that wealthy/educated people seem to be into.

[rudebwoy]

^where you at now AIE?

PM me if it's a secret.

[americanInEurope]

No secret Rudebwoy, I'm in Berlin now. I'm gonna do up a datasheet on this place before I roll out. I've been here almost a year and it's been great!

[Suits]

(07-18-2014 10:57 PM)Moon and Sixpence Wrote:  

Cities in China for black guys: avoid tier one cities (SH, Beijing, Guangzhou). If you can put up with the staring (sometimes open mouthed gaping) then I really suggest tier two cities, especially some of the nicer ones like Xian, Nanjing, Xiamen, Qingdao. Take advantage of your exotic status, and ANY girl who is willing to go out for dinner, a walk in the park, etc, is potential. There is a hitch (isn't there always?) though: most Chinese girls are not down with the idea of a one night stand, but they can be coaxed into letting you hit it soon (often very soon) after meeting you.

MOST IMPORTANT THING:
Give props. Girls love it when you can speak Chinese, plus it opens up tons of doors, because many girls lack confidence in their English. It helps when you actually know a little bit about Chinese food and culture, or when you are willing to eat whatever it is they consider real Chinese food. Don't talk politics. For what? China is one of those countries where the girls get really down on the local guys, who they consider crass and unfaithful... even though Chinese women are crass and unfaithful as hell! So your doing ish like opening the door for them, refilling their water glass, sending them "good morning" text messages, that helps. Corny, yes, but corny does VERY WELL in China. Not thirsty, corny.

I first went to China over a decade ago, and I was so wed to the idea of American "game" and what I thought was world-wide, standard issue getting it. Luckily, I quickly figured out that it wasn't like the west, where (I at least) just associated an evening out with going to a bar and drinking, having a glass of wine to hit that mood, or being sure to show interest so as not to get friend-zoned. In China, nearly every girl you meet will already assume that you, as a black man, are athletic (read: sexually ravenous) and lively. Westerners are seen as sex fiends,and black guys doubly so. Play to this stereotype as need be. When you are approaching strange girls on the street, none of them, NONE, will assume that you just want to be friends, despite what they say. That doesn't mean you throw for the end zone on first down, but you just gotta hang in there... talking and talking, then once you get past that magic hour, find some excuse to take her back to your place in a cab. I swear, once you stay with a girl past say... 10 PM, it's like magic, and all you have to do is stay steady and don't let her escape, lol. China is the only place I can think of where chatting and laughing in a dingy little hotpot restaurant till they close is more likely to get you laid than running your A game, haha.

All the above comes with the caveat that I prefer to pick my fruit from the tree. I hate clubs: too many burners, too much thirst, and staying out late just F's up the next morning, I like to get up in the morning and grind, but that's just me. If you like some tore up club skank, I can't help you with that. Actually, you shouldn't really need any help there!


How I pulled:
* walking around on campus, just making up excuses to talk to girls - I would show them a text message in Chinese (perhaps one I had sent to myself, ha) and ask them to explain one of the characters. I met two stone hotties this way, including one who I still bang whenever I go back to China.

*coffee shops. I don't know how many times I would walk into a crowded coffee shop and ask if I could sit with them since there were few seats, then start studying Chinese, really earnestly and shit... I mean writing characters and all, textbook on the table. Girls would be "oh, you speak Chinese?"
Me: Oh yes, I study Chinese at the uni nearby...
her: "may I ask where you are from?" and from there, whether it is on or not, you at least have an opening, a break in the routine, which builds confidence. Lately there have been tons of foreigners with spanking-good Chinese, so this doesn't always work as well for foreign guys in the big cities, but again, in tier two cities, or out in the boonies, it's gold.

*If in Shanghai or Beijing, just keep her out till the subway stops running. This should be easy to do, since by the time she finishes work and meets you it's kinda late, and after dinner and a walk (the walk is mandatory) the subways will have shut down. They stop running around 11 or so. Once the subway stops running, you can just tell her to hang out a bit more, then she can get a taxi.

*language exchanges. When I was actually enrolled at a Chinese uni back in the day, I used to do these all the time. After awhile I would just exchange a few messages with the girl and invite her to my house before we even met. Language exchanges are (in general) the biggest joke ever, I think they are just a safe way to internet date while pretending you are in it just for some good wholesome, linguistic fun. Well, be careful: some girls really do want to learn, but you can always kinda nudge it in that direction... if you so choose. One time this skinny girl came to my house in tight leather pants at 10 PM on a Friday on the pretext of "studying" together. Yeah okay, you are interested in practicing English, ha.

*restaurant staff. In China, restaurants are invariably overstaffed, and so lots of fat-booty countryside girls just standing around at times with nothing to do. Let them practice their English with you, or ask them about their hometown. Again, the opening that you seek.

*girls from the northeast (Harbin, Shenyang) like to drink and party. The rest of China, it's really hit or miss. So a girl from Harbin will go out with you to knock back a few, but other girls, hit or miss. Many will tell you they can't/won't drink because it turns their face red, but I have found that drinking culture is quickly growing all over China.

*married women are easy, and shamefully I have to say that I went through a period where married women were like potato chips, I couldn't just stop with one. If you want to go down that road, it's utterly safe, but I would say pass the temptation up.

*Don't just settle for the number ever! If it's close to dinner or lunch, have a meal with them, that way you really kind of cement things. When I would just get a number after 15 minutes of conversation/game, they often flaked, but if we broke bread I was much, much more likely to at least see them again without having to play any text-tag games.

*If you don't have a lot of time - I admit my shit can take more than the 3/4 days some people might have in town - then pipeline before you come. Chinese people have this... English mania... and they seem to be all over the internet looking for any and every chance to improve. Many Chinese girls feel safer chatting with strangers over the net at first.

Basically what you are looking for is a conversation starter, and that should be easy because just you being black is good for a grip of conversation! Oh, and don't be a lame and get played for your money. All the girls I have dated/hooked up/hung out with with will pay for our outings as often as I do. It is not something I even ask about, it's something they insist on doing. ALL OF THEM, and I am well into the dozens. I think A LOT of guys get hosed in China because they expect to have to play Mr. Moneybags, but really, if you are dealing with a girl with any class, she will not try to bleed you. I date dime piece girls, airhead countryside girls, Shanghainese snobs, confused girls who have studied abroad and no longer feel like they fit in, girls who have never been anywhere near a black guy before and wonder if my hair is naturally that curly and are dying to touch it, Korean exchange vixens, etc, but it's always the same: any chick worth dealing with won't try to play you for your cash. Last year I met a 8.5 Shanghainese who took me out to lunch 45 minutes after we met at Costa Coffee, and dropped over $40 on lunch at a Chinese restaurant, which is a lot of money, even in Shanghai. Wouldn't even let me reach for my wallet,and after lunch just went to work, it wasn't like she was really sprung or anything! So of course the next time I reciprocated, but, you get where I am coming from.

I never hooked up with a girl who asked me to pay her afterwards. If that is happening to you, you are doing something really wrong.

sorry that post is all over the place, I prefer to go stream of consciousness when talking about how to get that pink taco. Go Get Yours, Player.

+1 Rep Point. This is gold.

[TravelerKai]

I posted my guide. Go here to read it. The section on game advice for black men is going to be the best part for anyone that is black.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-38876.html

[Skip's Steps]

(06-24-2014 11:44 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 11:55 PM)chuslice Wrote:  

When you say "here" are you talking about Taiwan or?

Those Tinder matches could be fake profiles or girls looking for validation and attention but won't actually meet you. I wouldn't put too much stock into it.

I lived in Taipei for four years and have lots of friends there. I'm sorry to say but hot higher class Taiwanese girls are not into or down for dating black guys (that goes double for mainland chinese) otherwise you'd see it everywhere. There are plenty of African immigrants. Japan sounds like the best place for that, but I don't have much experience there.

I cannot speak for Taiwan, but for Mainland China, there are some hot higher-class women that love black men. Just off the top of my head, I got lots of play from a chief project manager for a very large company, 2 very rich girls (from Guangdong), an office manager, 1 picky ass lawyer, etc. There are some caveats though. For one, I don't teach English in China (something some of them look down on) and I have other business reasons for my attachment to China. I also speak somewhat decent Mandarin. I also make more money than your average black man by a fair bit.

It's always conditional/practical when dealing with mainland Chinese women for anything (LTR/Marriage/etc.). When you are dealing with the richer ones, they try to find out super quickly if you fit what they want or what their parents will accept. The more slutty ones that just want to play around with a black guy, but would never LTR or marry, are always around as well.

Most of China's millionaires are women as well, so in some ways they are kinda hard to avoid sometimes. Even when you go to the countryside.

My wife and I now know a small handful of black-chinese married couples and the one constant I have noticed is that all of them are not under 6 figures/yr or they are pretty damn rich. Is it always that way? Who knows.

Money talks..who has time to be racist when you are making that kind of money.

[Skip's Steps]

(07-01-2014 03:09 PM)clever alias Wrote:  

quite a few black (african and AA) did well in china, more with the russian models than chinese though

True. I was in Cathay's Lounge in HK and one of the prettiest white women I have ever seen--a 6ft tall Czech model--was with a black British Nigerian. He was very well dressed and upon further conversation I learned that his family owned a hotel chain in China.

I used to live in Bangkok and knew quite a few EE's on the model circuit and they often dated black industry types in China.

[TravelerKai]

Actually it has alot more to do with SMV and that they have less overall ignorance due to education and exposure to the west. Their SMV is skewed due to having more money than the Chinese guys that are willing to date them, and they don't want to comply with all the things that may come with that. A Western will give them alot more breathing room. If they are older than 27 or 28 they are Shengnu and no local wants that.

An uneducated girl might tell you shit like, I thought America is a country of white people only and that Obama was hired to be president but he isn't an American. And she still may want to date you. No educated woman there talks like that. They usually just don't understand the SMV of blacks inside America. Use that to your advantage. They usually think we are highly respected people here. Not correct but that's fine. If you bring one back here they won't turn on you either. Not being indoctrinated in institutional racism as a kid is a plus that lasts forever.

[Global Entry]

Money trumps a lot in China. Not evertrying but a lot. I'm always reminded of spIke Lee and do the right thing though when chinese racists talk about kobe and michael jackson in such adulation and somehow bifurcate that with theor general dislike of black people.