[DayHawk]

Which countries are played out in your opinion at present time (Year-2014) ?
Please write your list of countries.

[SpecialEd]

Saying a country is 'played out' is a subtle way of blaming ones inability to get laid on tourists.

[loveblondes]

And another troll thread has born.. zzzzzz

[Roosh]

Played out in terms of what? Girls?

The question can be better phrased: "Which country has girls that give you less value than you put into them?"

[spalex]

Netherlands

[sheesh]

Why the Netherlands ? Care to explain ? I will be doing some traveling in NL in April. I've only been to Groningen for a day so far but was blown away. It's not far from where I live in Germany still it seemed like a parallel universe in terms of beauty. Girls were quite friendly and polite, too.

[j r]

I can see a club getting played out, but a country?

One guy can go to country X and find it overrun with tourists and the girls beat or bitchy. And another guy can go there and have the time if his life. We need a better definition of what you're looking for.

[loveblondes]

All the overhyped countries in RVF.

[spalex]

(03-18-2014 06:33 AM)sheesh Wrote:  

Why the Netherlands ? Care to explain ? I will be doing some traveling in NL in April. I've only been to Groningen for a day so far but was blown away. It's not far from where I live in Germany still it seemed like a parallel universe in terms of beauty. Girls were quite friendly and polite, too.

It is just constantly filled with foreigners, getting drunk and acting like shit cunts. During this process trying to grab as much ass as possible.

I guess its not really Played out. You just should no expect to get a one night stand there unless you have some real good game.

When dutch women meet a foreign guy at a club, they don't expect they will see him again.
And like any other women they don't want to be an obvious slut, especially when their friends are around.
They know foreigners are only going there to get drunk, fuck hookers and smoke pot and then go home.

Foreigners have ruined the Netherlands for me.
If I was dutch, I would hate foreigners.

[sheesh]

@ Spalex: to which Dutch cities have you been ? Amsterdam must have been one of them... I have never heard anything good about Amsterdam so far, most people hate the city ( drugs, prostitutes, red light district, tourists looking for dope etc. ) but Amsterdam is not the Netherlands.


Maybe Friesland/Groningen is an exception but Groningen has been one of the most white/European cities I have seen in the region, Germany is much more mixed.

[rudebwoy]

Another stupid troll thread.

What next comparing cities! Oh wait that has been done to death.

[velvet]

Bucharest has too many horny foreigners so you dont haveu a great value there

[Vato Maranzano]

(03-18-2014 09:13 AM)spalex Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 06:33 AM)sheesh Wrote:  

Why the Netherlands ? Care to explain ? I will be doing some traveling in NL in April. I've only been to Groningen for a day so far but was blown away. It's not far from where I live in Germany still it seemed like a parallel universe in terms of beauty. Girls were quite friendly and polite, too.

It is just constantly filled with foreigners, getting drunk and acting like shit cunts. During this process trying to grab as much ass as possible.

I guess its not really Played out. You just should no expect to get a one night stand there unless you have some real good game.

When dutch women meet a foreign guy at a club, they don't expect they will see him again.
And like any other women they don't want to be an obvious slut, especially when their friends are around.
They know foreigners are only going there to get drunk, fuck hookers and smoke pot and then go home.

Foreigners have ruined the Netherlands for me.
If I was dutch, I would hate foreigners.

I live in Haarlem, which is quite a big city for Dutch standards.
And i rarely meet foreigners, i would actually love to meet more because i dont get along well with my fellow countrymen.
I also know that girls in my city would love to meet foreign guys, especially USA/Australia or Spain/Italy.

I think you have been to university cities filled with people from all over the world.

I dont like Dutch women myself, they are very masculine. But they are better looking then women in USA and UK. Plus Dutch men are incredibly beta so its easy to separate yourself from the rest. You can have fun here , just make sure you dont stay here for to long.

If you go to The Netherlands i recommend smaller cities like Groningen,Haarlem,Arnhem etc.

[JayMeister]

(03-18-2014 09:13 AM)spalex Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 06:33 AM)sheesh Wrote:  

Why the Netherlands ? Care to explain ? I will be doing some traveling in NL in April. I've only been to Groningen for a day so far but was blown away. It's not far from where I live in Germany still it seemed like a parallel universe in terms of beauty. Girls were quite friendly and polite, too.

It is just constantly filled with foreigners, getting drunk and acting like shit cunts. During this process trying to grab as much ass as possible.

I guess its not really Played out. You just should no expect to get a one night stand there unless you have some real good game.

When dutch women meet a foreign guy at a club, they don't expect they will see him again.
And like any other women they don't want to be an obvious slut, especially when their friends are around.
They know foreigners are only going there to get drunk, fuck hookers and smoke pot and then go home.

Foreigners have ruined the Netherlands for me.
If I was dutch, I would hate foreigners.

There are a lot of expats and what have you, as well. Idk what being foreign has to do with anything, unless you actually are acting drunk and stupid (and/or have a chavvy British accent. Everybody everywhere hates rude, drunk and obnoxious people with chavvy British accents afaik). The problem is more that Dutch girls have very high standards and go for the more "exotic" types, not for LTR but for getting laid. They aren't very sensual or sexual in general (ofc there are exceptions). Generally, in the Netherlands, the deck is stacked against you. Unless you are an exotic, goodlooking, fit, tall (at least 6'2" this is NL we are talking about) guy with excellent game you won't be having as much fun as you'd like here. And even then, if you are all that, you'd probably be able to get much better quality pretty much anywhere else.

So yes avoid the Netherlands. I'm looking to leave as soon as I wind up my current affairs here.

Also the weather is generally very bad.

(Source: I'm Dutch)

(03-18-2014 05:43 PM)Vato Maranzano Wrote:  

I live in Haarlem, which is quite a big city for Dutch standards.
And i rarely meet foreigners, i would actually love to meet more because i dont get along well with my fellow countrymen.
I also know that girls in my city would love to meet foreign guys, especially USA/Australia or Spain/Italy.

I think you have been to university cities filled with people from all over the world.

I dont like Dutch women myself, they are very masculine. But they are better looking then women in USA and UK. Plus Dutch men are incredibly beta so its easy to separate yourself from the rest. You can have fun here , just make sure you dont stay here for to long.

If you go to The Netherlands i recommend smaller cities like Groningen,Haarlem,Arnhem etc.

I didn't know Haarlem was a big city haha. But why would anyone go to Haarlem other than to look at the scenes? There is no real nightlife, and while I'm sure those girls say they're open to meeting foreigners I'm also sure they wouldn't be keen on sleeping with them unless they tick all the boxes and are living there with a stable job.

Also men here are not that beta compared to other countries. Not approaching a lot isn't "beta" if it doesn't provide high returns, which it doesn't for pretty much any Dutch guy who isn't rich, famous and/or ridiculously good looking. Most here get laid through social circle.

Anyway, if you have to go to the Netherlands, just focus on the other tourists if you'd like to see any returns for your effort.

[DayHawk]

(03-17-2014 07:11 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Played out in terms of what? Girls?

The question can be better phrased: "Which country has girls that give you less value than you put into them?"

Yes, exactly. I meant played out countries in terms of girls, of course.
You are right, your rephrased question was exactly what I've meant.

[Vato Maranzano]

(03-18-2014 05:49 PM)JayMeister Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 09:13 AM)spalex Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 06:33 AM)sheesh Wrote:  

Why the Netherlands ? Care to explain ? I will be doing some traveling in NL in April. I've only been to Groningen for a day so far but was blown away. It's not far from where I live in Germany still it seemed like a parallel universe in terms of beauty. Girls were quite friendly and polite, too.

It is just constantly filled with foreigners, getting drunk and acting like shit cunts. During this process trying to grab as much ass as possible.

I guess its not really Played out. You just should no expect to get a one night stand there unless you have some real good game.

When dutch women meet a foreign guy at a club, they don't expect they will see him again.
And like any other women they don't want to be an obvious slut, especially when their friends are around.
They know foreigners are only going there to get drunk, fuck hookers and smoke pot and then go home.

Foreigners have ruined the Netherlands for me.
If I was dutch, I would hate foreigners.

There are a lot of expats and what have you, as well. Idk what being foreign has to do with anything, unless you actually are acting drunk and stupid (and/or have a chavvy British accent. Everybody everywhere hates rude, drunk and obnoxious people with chavvy British accents afaik). The problem is more that Dutch girls have very high standards and go for the more "exotic" types, not for LTR but for getting laid. They aren't very sensual or sexual in general (ofc there are exceptions). Generally, in the Netherlands, the deck is stacked against you. Unless you are an exotic, goodlooking, fit, tall (at least 6'2" this is NL we are talking about) guy with excellent game you won't be having as much fun as you'd like here. And even then, if you are all that, you'd probably be able to get much better quality pretty much anywhere else.

So yes avoid the Netherlands. I'm looking to leave as soon as I wind up my current affairs here.

Also the weather is generally very bad.

(Source: I'm Dutch)

(03-18-2014 05:43 PM)Vato Maranzano Wrote:  

I live in Haarlem, which is quite a big city for Dutch standards.
And i rarely meet foreigners, i would actually love to meet more because i dont get along well with my fellow countrymen.
I also know that girls in my city would love to meet foreign guys, especially USA/Australia or Spain/Italy.

I think you have been to university cities filled with people from all over the world.

I dont like Dutch women myself, they are very masculine. But they are better looking then women in USA and UK. Plus Dutch men are incredibly beta so its easy to separate yourself from the rest. You can have fun here , just make sure you dont stay here for to long.

If you go to The Netherlands i recommend smaller cities like Groningen,Haarlem,Arnhem etc.

I didn't know Haarlem was a big city haha. But why would anyone go to Haarlem other than to look at the scenes? There is no real nightlife, and while I'm sure those girls say they're open to meeting foreigners I'm also sure they wouldn't be keen on sleeping with them unless they tick all the boxes and are living there with a stable job.

Also men here are not that beta compared to other countries. Not approaching a lot isn't "beta" if it doesn't provide high returns, which it doesn't for pretty much any Dutch guy who isn't rich, famous and/or ridiculously good looking. Most here get laid through social circle.

Anyway, if you have to go to the Netherlands, just focus on the other tourists if you'd like to see any returns for your effort.

Yes, big for Dutch standards. Small compared to Amsterdam,Rotterdam.
I wouldn't recommend Haarlem to anyone. Hell, i wouldn't recommend The Netherlands to anyone. I'm pretty sure most guys(including me) who value pussy and feminine women want to get the fuck out of here asap.

I simply disagreed with spalex's observation that locals dislike foreigners. Which isn't the case in the cities where i've lived.

[sheesh]

Vato,

I never stated that girls hate foreigners. Where do you read this ? You are mistaken.

Furthermore, if anyone thinks that one gets easily laid in clubs/ without social circle in Western Europe he is absolutely mistaken.

[Vato Maranzano]

(03-18-2014 06:23 PM)sheesh Wrote:  

Vato,

I never stated that girls hate foreigners. Where do you read this ? You are mistaken.

Furthermore, if anyone thinks that one gets easily laid in clubs/ without social circle in Western Europe he is absolutely mistaken.

Yeah got mixed up , i meant spalex.

[DayHawk]

spalex; sheesh; Vato Maranzano; JayMeister:

Is it a typical Dutch girl on the picture below ? Or she is more of Norwegian/Swedish or Slovak/Czech type ? How would you rate her (from 1 to 10) ? Just to have an idea about them.

   

[JayMeister]

(03-18-2014 06:47 PM)DayHawk Wrote:  

spalex; sheesh; Vato Maranzano; JayMeister:

Is it a typical Dutch girl on the picture below ? Or she is more Norwegian/Swedish or Slovak/Czech type ? How would you rate her (from 1 to 10) ?

The eyebrows are a little atypical but other than that, mostly yes quite typical. The types you mentioned are mostly quite similar anyway (Dutch tend to have slightly less sharp features than Norwegians but it's still pretty similar). She looks more Dutch than Norwegian to me, but these things are often also down to lighting and angle because the differences are subtle (and a Norwegian-looking person can be Dutch and vice versa). Slavic and Baltic people look considerably different on average from the girl you posted as they have wider faces (wider cheekbones and jaw).

She's not my type at all, but objectively I'd say top 25% or so (of equal age peers). For me personally, not appealing in the least.

[L M McCoy]

^ 7.5 for the girl above

[mastauser]

The Dutch also have, next to migrantd that came later, intermingled with Indonesians (I think 8 percent has some Indonesian blood here) and you can see that all around here. The Dutch had to leave Indonesia at the end of the 50s so that is when the Dutch/Indo mixes came including my grandparents.


But fellow Dutch here (or other people that know it well) , what is the deal with Dutch girls? Is it really that bad here that guys who value pussy should peave the country? I, for example think that particularly Amsterdam girls are obsessed with being cool/independent. Is it really that the girls suck or are difficult? Because I see guys with good game do well here.

Hope anyone cares to elaborate!

[Greek kamaki]

Played out in Europe are CR,Baltics,Slovakia and parts of Poland and Hungary.Virgin lands remain Belarus and deep Russia.

[bigboyz]

Slovenia/Croatia ... While still very possible to get laid and probably easier than some, girls are quickly catching with the rest of the EU -

Lots of 7s have ego of 10s already.

[Vato Maranzano]

(03-19-2014 11:29 AM)mastauser Wrote:  

The Dutch also have, next to migrantd that came later, intermingled with Indonesians (I think 8 percent has some Indonesian blood here) and you can see that all around here. The Dutch had to leave Indonesia at the end of the 50s so that is when the Dutch/Indo mixes came including my grandparents.


But fellow Dutch here (or other people that know it well) , what is the deal with Dutch girls? Is it really that bad here that guys who value pussy should peave the country? I, for example think that particularly Amsterdam girls are obsessed with being cool/independent. Is it really that the girls suck or are difficult? Because I see guys with good game do well here.

Hope anyone cares to elaborate!

Yeah, there's not alot of info on The Netherlands, not sure why( other then it being a small country)
I dont think its really difficult, at least not where i am.
Daygame works quite well over here, night game is a completely different story though.

The problem i have with Dutch girls is their attitude. like you already mentioned they are obsessed with their careers. This seems to be in our culture , its the same with guys over here in my experience. What's even worse for me is the complete lack of femininity, i would rather deal with gold diggers in Eastern Europe than being surrounded by Uggs and flip-flops 24/7. Quality is also a problem. I see so many guys dating down, but i dont think i've ever seen an attractive girl with an average looking guy.

I have to say that its remarkable to see alot of foreign guys that like Dutch girls. Thats the way it is, Americans hate their women, Russians hate their women, i guess the grass is always greener on the other side.