[whoishe]

(03-22-2014 02:20 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Usually the first to explore the new hidden destinations are Greeks and Americans.This is due to natural gambler nature of Greeks.They like to undertake big risks and that is why they were the first to flock to countries like Ukraine,Moldova,Russia,CR,Poland,Romania,Bulgaria in the early nineties when most people were afraid only by the thought of being there.(there were rumours that you will get robbed from day one,lose your passport and even worse maybe lose your kidneys by an in night operation).Greeks did not care and were the first to try to stay and make business there.Some got killed of course in Russia and learned the hard lesson.
The second to come are usually the thirsty Arabs,Italians and Turks.They appear as second wave when they have heard from the others how good it is.The last ones who however make the most damage and kill the place are the British and Germans.When they appear the game is finished.That they appear means that there are enough comforts and infrastructure to provide them the guarantees needed so there is no adventure anymore just mass operations.

Two words from me - not sure if it happened with other Eastern Europe countries, but actully in Poland we had immigration from Greece during 50s (after Greek Civil War ended) who felt quite comfortable here, so Greeks coming here could always learn earlier how are the things here after communism collapsed.

As always, some interesting observations from you.

[Greek kamaki]

It is true many Greeks came to Poland after the civil war in Greece mainly in cities like Zgorzelec where you still see monuments.Most of them returned to Greece but when they lived in Poland they assimilated quite well.This is one of the reasons there exists a sympathy of Poles towards us.
Now many enterprenieurs aspire to open business there.There are also engineers etc.Some polish girls begged me to work in Poland but the wages are still low compared to Germany.

[whoishe]

(03-22-2014 04:04 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

It is true many Greeks came to Poland after the civil war in Greece mainly in cities like Zgorzelec where you still see monuments.Most of them returned to Greece but when they lived in Poland they assimilated quite well.This is one of the reasons there exists a sympathy of Poles towards us.
Now many enterprenieurs aspire to open business there.There are also engineers etc.Some polish girls begged me to work in Poland but the wages are still low compared to Germany.

My mother in elementary school (town near Warsaw) had a maths teacher who was one of Civil War immigrants from Greece.

Heard also about Zgorzelec. Their chlidren and grandchildren also assimilated well there, which of course means they are good in shady stuff close to border, which is a main stuff after mining business around that city.

[Greek kamaki]

One polish girl from the area around Zgorzelec described me the kontraband they were doing in Germany with her relatives and the crazy adventures they had before 2004.Generally I feel very well in cities like Zgorzelec.I told her it is super here full of Slavs she asked me what is good when there are only Slavs?
A strange thing I noticed in Poland and Ukraine is that once you meet the family of the girl it is so much more interesting than the girl that you want to spend less time with her and be absorbed in the slavic environment.Girls appear like capriccious princesses compared to the more plain relatives.

[shotgun]

(03-22-2014 02:20 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Usually the first to explore the new hidden destinations are Greeks and Americans.This is due to natural gambler nature of Greeks.They like to undertake big risks and that is why they were the first to flock to countries like Ukraine,Moldova,Russia,CR,Poland,Romania,Bulgaria in the early nineties when most people were afraid only by the thought of being there.(there were rumours that you will get robbed from day one,lose your passport and even worse maybe lose your kidneys by an in night operation).Greeks did not care and were the first to try to stay and make business there.Some got killed of course in Russia and learned the hard lesson.
The second to come are usually the thirsty Arabs,Italians and Turks.They appear as second wave when they have heard from the others how good it is.The last ones who however make the most damage and kill the place are the British and Germans.When they appear the game is finished.That they appear means that there are enough comforts and infrastructure to provide them the guarantees needed so there is no adventure anymore just mass operations.

It's interesting how the Germans have acquired a very conservative mindset (as in not being risk takers) with time. It wasn't always like that. Proof to that is their mass immigration to the Americas in the 19th century, even to face poverty in places such as Argentina, Brazil and Paraguay.

[Greek kamaki]

Generally mass tourism destroys big destinations and usually capital cities let's say Prague,Riga,Bratislava etc.Everyone who visited Prague in the 90's and compares to the now sorry state has to wine.The provincial cities lack compared to the capitals in every aspect so CR for example has only 5 cities to play ball(Plzen,Liberec,Ostrava,Brno,Olomouc) so what?If you lose Prague your chances get eliminated.
In Poland mass hordes destroyed only Krakow due to the heavy village nature of the country.(mass tourists will never go to villages).In Belarus there is no mass tourism due to visa requirements and in Russia there is also noone due to expensive visa and the expensive ruble(actually less and less people visit Russia).Ukraine will be destroyed as a whole by the time it enters EU and all hot Ukrainian girls emigrate to greener destinations where they can exploit their pussy to the maximum.This is the reason they sacrificed Crimea to gain an access to the European penis.

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(03-22-2014 05:00 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

This is the reason they sacrificed Crimea to gain an access to the European penis.

[DayHawk]

Greek kamaki:

A very good post from you! However, why did you say that only Czechs were German mixed, if there is only 30 minutes distance between Bratislava and Vienna ?

Is it a huge financial difference between Czech and Slovak girls ? If you omit Prague, are Plzen, Liberec, Ostrava, Brno, Olomouc financially better than Bratislava ?

[DayHawk]

(03-22-2014 10:32 AM)berserk Wrote:  

In a perfect world, you'd have girls with the looks of the swede blondes, with the openness and friendly behavior of the norwegians and the unrestrained hedonism of danes.

You think that Sweden is better than Norway in terms of girls' looks (attractiveness) ?

[berserk]

(03-22-2014 06:52 PM)DayHawk Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 10:32 AM)berserk Wrote:  

In a perfect world, you'd have girls with the looks of the swede blondes, with the openness and friendly behavior of the norwegians and the unrestrained hedonism of danes.

You think that Sweden is better than Norway in terms of girls' looks (attractiveness) ?

Yes I do. Swedish/Stockholm girls are slimmer in my experience, more of the classic blue eyed blondes with long legs, while norwegian girls tend to be a bit bulkier and less feminine. A night out on Stureplan in Stockholm simply can't be matched anywhere else in Scandinavia.

[Greek kamaki]

I concur that Swedish girls are hotter than Norwegian ones.Norwegian are just good while Swedish are top. What stroke me in Scandinavia is that natives could spot in no time which girl came from Sweden,Norway etc while for the outsider it is difficult to tell them apart.

[DayHawk]

(03-22-2014 07:18 PM)berserk Wrote:  

Yes I do. Swedish/Stockholm girls are slimmer in my experience, more of the classic blue eyed blondes with long legs, while norwegian girls tend to be a bit bulkier and less feminine. A night out on Stureplan in Stockholm simply can't be matched anywhere else in Scandinavia.

You think that Sweden is a top in that region, but what about Latvia or Estonia ? Can they be compared with Sweden ? I know they are tougher than Sweden but how are they in terms of of girls' looks (attractiveness) ?

[EU Explorer]

(03-23-2014 02:34 PM)DayHawk Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 07:18 PM)berserk Wrote:  

Yes I do. Swedish/Stockholm girls are slimmer in my experience, more of the classic blue eyed blondes with long legs, while norwegian girls tend to be a bit bulkier and less feminine. A night out on Stureplan in Stockholm simply can't be matched anywhere else in Scandinavia.

You think that Sweden is a top in that region, but what about Latvia or Estonia ? Can they be compared with Sweden ? I know they are tougher than Sweden but how are they in terms of of girls' looks (attractiveness) ?

DayHawk...there is a lot of intel about each location on here if you search.

[rudebwoy]

Just because girls in country X maybe hotter than girls in country Y, how is this relevant!

What matters is how they respond to you!

[Every10GivesMeA10]

Dutch men are the biggest beta's I've ever come across, no offense. They go to bars/clubs only to get drunk, not to pick up girls. It's mostly the older guys (30+) who are into this stuff, all younger guys I know do not seriously approach girls. Even girls I know say that Dutch men are pussies.

Dutch women are more concerned with independence and their career. Men are really the last thing on their minds.

As far as the Country, I am 6'8 and latin looking (born here but parents are from elsewhere) so I have no issues here, especially not with foreign girls. Ive never had a white dutch woman because I can't vibe with them. Their masculine attitude puts me off as well. They can't even cook and they have a VERY feminist 'i dont need a man' atittude. They cut their hair short and have ugly skrillex haircuts too. Sadly foreign girls who stay here longer become like this as well. Women really have a rebellious attitude here, really puts me off.

A lot has also been ruined by aggressive muslim guys but it shouldn't be a big issue, a lotta dutch girls don't like foreign guys for this reason.

Day game is almost non existent here so a lot of girls are shocked if you approach them. I haven't been rejected harshly as of yet. Dutch guys rely on social circle and if they game, its at bars/clubs when completely drunk and with friends.

i would not come here for dutch women. i stick to foreign girls only. the longer i stay here the more i am starting to hate women, seriously.

as far as the response from women, i get a much better response in germany because i am sometimes mistaken for a muslim (moroccan) here and thats not a positive when it comes to women. my height/looks make up for it though.

stick to the big cities (amsterdam, rotterdam, utrecht, den haag) when you visit NL and you should be OK. You wont find a wife here but anyone can get laid. theres niches for everyone, hippies, rockers, hip hop, etc. for nightlife amsterdam and rotterdam are the best

[nogamenick]

(03-24-2014 06:13 AM)Every10GivesMeA10 Wrote:  

Dutch men are the biggest beta's I've ever come across, no offense. They go to bars/clubs only to get drunk, not to pick up girls. It's mostly the older guys (30+) who are into this stuff, all younger guys I know do not seriously approach girls. Even girls I know say that Dutch men are pussies.

Dutch women are more concerned with independence and their career. Men are really the last thing on their minds.

As far as the Country, I am 6'8 and latin looking (born here but parents are from elsewhere) so I have no issues here, especially not with foreign girls. Ive never had a white dutch woman because I can't vibe with them. Their masculine attitude puts me off as well. They can't even cook and they have a VERY feminist 'i dont need a man' atittude. They cut their hair short and have ugly skrillex haircuts too. Sadly foreign girls who stay here longer become like this as well. Women really have a rebellious attitude here, really puts me off.

A lot has also been ruined by aggressive muslim guys but it shouldn't be a big issue, a lotta dutch girls don't like foreign guys for this reason.

Day game is almost non existent here so a lot of girls are shocked if you approach them. I haven't been rejected harshly as of yet. Dutch guys rely on social circle and if they game, its at bars/clubs when completely drunk and with friends.

i would not come here for dutch women. i stick to foreign girls only. the longer i stay here the more i am starting to hate women, seriously.

as far as the response from women, i get a much better response in germany because i am sometimes mistaken for a muslim (moroccan) here and thats not a positive when it comes to women. my height/looks make up for it though.

stick to the big cities (amsterdam, rotterdam, utrecht, den haag) when you visit NL and you should be OK. You wont find a wife here but anyone can get laid. theres niches for everyone, hippies, rockers, hip hop, etc. for nightlife amsterdam and rotterdam are the best

THIS. Best place for day game here would be at uni. But then again most of the girls there are foreign.

[Cad and Bounder]

The key to looking at this (most of us on here are Western, so the rest will forgive me) is to ask yourself this question:

Are the girls, actually from the city in question*, giving me intrinsic interest and value just because I am Western?

If the answer is yes (Beograd, Kiev etc) then it's not played out. If the answer is no (Budapest, Prague? etc) then it is played out.

In general, the observations on here --particularly by Greek kamaki-- are true. Drunken Brits on stag nights, hordes of pestering Italians, Erasmus students, anywhere where American culture seems to be making a foothold (rap music, feminist attitudes, and dress sense etc) are usually signs of danger.

*Of course if you meet a girl from the country, but outside the city, it's a different matter. And, yes, I know it doesn't seal the deal, nor does it preclude it. It just means its easier.

[lowside]

Part of the problem is that when we travel to a country, we tend to travel to the capital city. I myself am guilty of this. From my experience a capital city is not a good representation of a whole country. As a result we may write-off a country way too quickly. I read the example of Amsterdam being mentioned earlier in the thread. Frankly, you could not have taken a bigger contrast in Europe.

Yes, dutch girls have this "i don't need a man" masculine attitude. Amsterdam girls will have this much more than girls in the far south and far north. But they also complain that guys don't approach. Meaning they want you to approach them and believe me, if you play your cards right (as explained in The Netherlands Datasheet), you will get the lay. The attitude only becomes an issue when things get more serious, which by then would no longer be an issue since you would have already dumped her. Assuming you are not instantly turned off by this attitude to begin with.

Belgrade girls are slightly different from serbian girls in general. In Belgrade you can cold approach and do well with the slavic hotness up there. Now imagine belgrade being flooded by masses of drunk tourists discovering Belgrade as the party capital of europe...you could instantly write it off. But could you do so for the whole country? I believe not.

[sheesh]

(03-24-2014 06:13 AM)Every10GivesMeA10 Wrote:  

Dutch men are the biggest beta's I've ever come across, no offense. They go to bars/clubs only to get drunk, not to pick up girls. It's mostly the older guys (30+) who are into this stuff, all younger guys I know do not seriously approach girls. Even girls I know say that Dutch men are pussies.

Dutch women are more concerned with independence and their career. Men are really the last thing on their minds.

As far as the Country, I am 6'8 and latin looking (born here but parents are from elsewhere) so I have no issues here, especially not with foreign girls. Ive never had a white dutch woman because I can't vibe with them. Their masculine attitude puts me off as well. They can't even cook and they have a VERY feminist 'i dont need a man' atittude. They cut their hair short and have ugly skrillex haircuts too. Sadly foreign girls who stay here longer become like this as well. Women really have a rebellious attitude here, really puts me off.

A lot has also been ruined by aggressive muslim guys but it shouldn't be a big issue, a lotta dutch girls don't like foreign guys for this reason.

Day game is almost non existent here so a lot of girls are shocked if you approach them. I haven't been rejected harshly as of yet. Dutch guys rely on social circle and if they game, its at bars/clubs when completely drunk and with friends.

i would not come here for dutch women. i stick to foreign girls only. the longer i stay here the more i am starting to hate women, seriously.

as far as the response from women, i get a much better response in germany because i am sometimes mistaken for a muslim (moroccan) here and thats not a positive when it comes to women. my height/looks make up for it though.

stick to the big cities (amsterdam, rotterdam, utrecht, den haag) when you visit NL and you should be OK. You wont find a wife here but anyone can get laid. theres niches for everyone, hippies, rockers, hip hop, etc. for nightlife amsterdam and rotterdam are the best

Hi,

thanks for your intel on the Netherlands !

Have you been to the northern parts of the Netherlands, i.e. Friesland, Groningen etc. ?

Are there significant regional differences in the Netherlands in terms of mentality, looks etc. ?

I want to explore NL in April, inspired by a short visited to Groningen a while ago...

I guess Groningen must be quite different from the rest of NL considering the things I read on here...saw almost NO foreigners here, as "white" as it can get in the region, at least compared to Germany.

Further differences: Girls dressing quite "well" compared to Germany, also almost no tatoos, piercings and other kinds of mutilations, no shitty hair cuts, no hipster girls riding their mono speed bikes with massive head phones on, no pseudo hip guys imitating a william fitzsimmons beard etc... everything seemd much more conservative to what I'm seeing everyday in Germany when I step out the door...but maybe Amsterdam, Utrecht and other parts are completely different ?!


Dutch seem to be more reserved though than Germans - talked to many girls in bars, at cashiers or in restaurants and received nothing but positive reactions, seems they are absolutely not used to being approached by guys at all... oh yeahI don't have to mention that they were a lot more attractive than German girls... I felt like travelling back to a dump at the end of my visit when driving back to Germany.

[DayHawk]

(03-24-2014 06:13 AM)Every10GivesMeA10 Wrote:  

A lot has also been ruined by aggressive muslim guys but it shouldn't be a big issue, a lotta dutch girls don't like foreign guys for this reason.

The Netherlands has been ruined by it's own police but NOT by muslim guys or whatever, dude !!! Todays Netherlands is a classical police state. Just look at these links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsOOJKPmSwU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC6nqj1lItA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6FkhZ9G1lA

[berserk]

The statement made about the muslim guys may or may not be true, the fact is that it IS a prevailing stereotype among european women and why being a dark skinned, but not black, guy can be a challenge in Northern Europe.

[Every10GivesMeA10]

Sheesh,

I have little experience with the north of the Country as I have only visited for 1 day. I know Groningen is a big student party town though. You'll find less darker people there of course. The randstad (where the big cities are) have the most nationalities and cultures, the rest is pretty much White Dutch.

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The Netherlands has been ruined by it's own police but NOT by muslim guys or whatever, dude !!! Todays Netherlands is a classical police state. Just look at these links:
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The statement made about the muslim guys may or may not be true, the fact is that it IS a prevailing stereotype among european women and why being a dark skinned, but not black, guy can be a challenge in Northern Europe.

Correct,
In fact, I believe even a black guy can do better here than a Muslim/Arab looking dude if his main goal is to bed white local women. Even better if he's American.

A Moroccan/Arab looking guy will really have to put A LOT of effort to get the same results others get in this Country. Not trolling, just saying like it is. Local women are being told that they should never bring an arab guy back home. Some who are rebellious still fuck these guys but they are in the minority.

[loveblondes]

(03-24-2014 02:17 PM)Cad and Bounder Wrote:  

The key to looking at this (most of us on here are Western, so the rest will forgive me) is to ask yourself this question:

Are the girls, actually from the city in question*, giving me intrinsic interest and value just because I am Western?

If the answer is yes (Beograd, Kiev etc) then it's not played out. If the answer is no (Budapest, Prague? etc) then it is played out.

In general, the observations on here --particularly by Greek kamaki-- are true. Drunken Brits on stag nights, hordes of pestering Italians, Erasmus students, anywhere where American culture seems to be making a foothold (rap music, feminist attitudes, and dress sense etc) are usually signs of danger.

*Of course if you meet a girl from the country, but outside the city, it's a different matter. And, yes, I know it doesn't seal the deal, nor does it preclude it. It just means its easier.

How are those betas a threat? I hear British drunken guys are not even serious.. all they do is scream weird stuff while drunk.. and italians are well known for talk talk talk like for 3 hours and never going straight to the point

I think the worst of cities like prague is that the places people usually visit are filled with anything but czech people, so you never have the chance to interact with the czech but rather with other foreigners...

[JayMeister]

(03-25-2014 06:05 PM)DayHawk Wrote:  

(03-24-2014 06:13 AM)Every10GivesMeA10 Wrote:  

A lot has also been ruined by aggressive muslim guys but it shouldn't be a big issue, a lotta dutch girls don't like foreign guys for this reason.

The Netherlands has been ruined by it's own police but NOT by muslim guys or whatever, dude !!! Todays Netherlands is a classical police state. Just look at these links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsOOJKPmSwU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC6nqj1lItA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6FkhZ9G1lA

In every one of those cases it's some random black guy(or kid) who is being noncooperative and/or downright hostile and rude to the police. The fact that there are no such videos of white people only goes to show that white people are not stupid or hotheaded enough to go against police officers, which is a battle you always will (and should) lose. I thought the PC police was not strong here, but apparently arresting black people is not-done according to you guys.

Without going into all of them, the kid calls the officer (who incidentally is black also, so I dont see how racism enters into the equation here in the first place) something which would roughly translate to "Fucking cancer faggot". Yes, we use cancer as a cuss word (often). In my opinion it would have been fine if the officer had arrested that kid and detained him at the station for a few days. Instead he just got a corrective kick to the butt. I think that officer was being very gentle.

I'm not positive about the Netherlands but a police state it is not. Not at all. There are always going to be police fuck-ups but these are not among them and they are very rare here.

[rudebwoy]

Western Europe!