[DayHawk]

(03-18-2014 06:52 PM)JayMeister Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 06:47 PM)DayHawk Wrote:  

spalex; sheesh; Vato Maranzano; JayMeister:

Is it a typical Dutch girl on the picture below ? Or she is more Norwegian/Swedish or Slovak/Czech type ? How would you rate her (from 1 to 10) ?

The eyebrows are a little atypical but other than that, mostly yes quite typical. The types you mentioned are mostly quite similar anyway (Dutch tend to have slightly less sharp features than Norwegians but it's still pretty similar). She looks more Dutch than Norwegian to me, but these things are often also down to lighting and angle because the differences are subtle (and a Norwegian-looking person can be Dutch and vice versa). Slavic and Baltic people look considerably different on average from the girl you posted as they have wider faces (wider cheekbones and jaw).

She's not my type at all, but objectively I'd say top 25% or so (of equal age peers). For me personally, not appealing in the least.

In general which city is better in terms of local girls (Dutch and Norwegian), Amsterdam or Oslo ?
When you said Baltic people, did you mean Estonians also ?

[JayMeister]

(03-19-2014 01:57 PM)Vato Maranzano Wrote:  

I see so many guys dating down, but i dont think i've ever seen an attractive girl with an average looking guy.

Glad I'm not the only one. I'm no homo but I can tell when a guy is clearly handsome (I think) and I also see them most of the time with average or sometimes even totally plain girls. I've suspected Dutch men are a lot better looking relative to the women (obvious no homo). In many countries, it is more equal or the other way around. Even if you go down to the south of the Netherlands, you will already see far more couples of attractive girls with plain guys. In fact I personally am from the south and I Know this for a fact, since I personally know a number of those couples (it sucks that the jobs aren't there, otherwise I'd be moving back there tomorrow).

I'm also pretty sure that the Netherlands* is a dick paradise for foreign women who come here. The average level of looks is relatively high (most guys are pretty fashionable and fit). Even the average height for young white dudes in Amsterdam has to be at least 6'3" (compared to the national average of 6'1"). Next to that most Dutch guys I know have a fetish for exotic girls (including me). I know a number of (Dutch national) exotic-looking latina girls who are dating up significantly (and I mean significantly).

Anyway, I know for a fact I get a lot more positive attention elsewhere. For example in the US I get comments about my tallness (even though I'm only six feet or something and I basically feel very subpar here, height-wise) and my girlfriend's friends would tell her how "He's a keeper" and generally be very positive and open. I never see that sort of positivity from Dutch girls (not towards me or others). Honestly, I firmly believe that whichever (reasonable, i.e. not North Korea) country a Dutch guy goes to, his value will be relatively higher.

The conclusion is obviously that if you come to the Netherlands*, expect your value and thus pulling power to be less than where you come from, unless you stick to other tourists.

*When I'm talking about the Netherlands, I'm really only talking about "Holland" which is "De Randstad", which is Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Utrecht and everything contained within that triangle of cities.

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[JayMeister]

(03-19-2014 05:06 PM)DayHawk Wrote:  

In general which city is better in terms of local girls (Dutch and Norwegian), Amsterdam or Oslo ?
When you said Baltic people, did you mean Estonians also ?

I think Scandinavians are more relaxed about casual sex so I'd say Oslo. Amsterdam centre is also one big museum full of tourists and touristy things. As has been said in this thread, the locals don't much like tourists overall. You may have better luck in a town like Rotterdam. More open-minded and much less overrun by tourists (also more non-native than native people).

Yes Baltic and Slavic are more comparable to each other than to Germanic or Nordic. It's like how Koreans and Japanese are more similar to each other and Thai and Phillipinos are also more similar to each other, but they are still all Asians (i.e. it's a bit of a non-issue).

[Greek kamaki]

All the rich western countries(Scandinavia,Netherlands,Germany) are completely played out since they gathered huge numbers of immigrants. The most prosperous new EU countries(CR,Baltics) are also played out as major touristic destinations. What remains are the most uncomfortable places eg rural Poland,Hungary,Romania.If not for the hot girls I doubt whether anyone would visit the above mentioned countries.Madyarophiles are few and between consisting mainly of dreamers of the old Austrohungarian Empire.
Only hardcore slavophiles are tempted to visit to experience slavic civilization.

[DayHawk]

(03-19-2014 06:25 PM)JayMeister Wrote:  

I think Scandinavians are more relaxed about casual sex so I'd say Oslo. Amsterdam centre is also one big museum full of tourists and touristy things. As has been said in this thread, the locals don't much like tourists overall. You may have better luck in a town like Rotterdam. More open-minded and much less overrun by tourists (also more non-native than native people).

Yes Baltic and Slavic are more comparable to each other than to Germanic or Nordic. It's like how Koreans and Japanese are more similar to each other and Thai and Phillipinos are also more similar to each other, but they are still all Asians (i.e. it's a bit of a non-issue).

I meant in terms of physical beauty, but anyway thank you. As I understand girls in the Netherlands are very similar to German girls in terms of physical appearance (especially faces). It is even impossible to distinguish them from each other. However, it is possible to distinguish Dutch girl from Norwegian, am I right ?

As I heard Estonian girls are more comparable to Nordic girls (Swedish, Norwegian) than to Slavic, but I do not know for sure. If you been to Estonia, are they more comparable, for instance, to Czech than to Swedish ?

[DayHawk]

(03-20-2014 03:34 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

All the rich western countries(Scandinavia,Netherlands,Germany) are completely played out since they gathered huge numbers of immigrants. The most prosperous new EU countries(CR,Baltics) are also played out as major touristic destinations. What remains are the most uncomfortable places eg rural Poland,Hungary,Romania.If not for the hot girls I doubt whether anyone would visit the above mentioned countries.Madyarophiles are few and between consisting mainly of dreamers of the old Austrohungarian Empire.
Only hardcore slavophiles are tempted to visit to experience slavic civilization.

Are you sure that all three Baltic states are completely played ? I think, it may be applicable only to Latvia, especially to Riga, but Riga is the same as Russian second tier cities (half of population are Russians, the second half are mixed with Russians). However, I have doubts concerning Estonia, I suppose it is a good place. Have you been there ?

[trainwreck]

this is somehow a new kind of race troll, it's the country troll. trying to rationalize inability to have sex with women with "horny tourists that ruined the country", while being one of them. *facepalm*

[sheesh]

I guess Germany has been played since the 1950's then...

[Greek kamaki]

Imagine a Turk who opens a kebab shop. How much money will he make in Germany,in CR,in Poland or Ukraine?If you answer this question you get a rough estimate about which countries are played out.

[nogamenick]

The Netherlands is not that bad all in all. Because of the exchange students. I've been sticking to exchange girls exclusively. Dutch girls are not polite. The main go-to here is that you are allowed to state your opinion regardless of how rude it is. Most Dutch girls will have strong opionions and are not afraid to show them. The phrases "I'm not your property", "I don't have to please you" and others of the sort are very common here. All in all Dutch people are not very approachable

[JayMeister]

(03-21-2014 01:03 PM)nogamenick Wrote:  

The Netherlands is not that bad all in all. Because of the exchange students. I've been sticking to exchange girls exclusively. Dutch girls are not polite. The main go-to here is that you are allowed to state your opinion regardless of how rude it is. Most Dutch girls will have strong opionions and are not afraid to show them. The phrases "I'm not your property", "I don't have to please you" and others of the sort are very common here. All in all Dutch people are not very approachable

In other words it's better where the exchange students come from. You're really doing a poor job at denying how shitty the Netherlands is.

"The Netherlands isn't shitty because there are girls other than the Dutch ones".

Wot?

[sheesh]

(03-21-2014 12:07 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Imagine a Turk who opens a kebab shop. How much money will he make in Germany,in CR,in Poland or Ukraine?If you answer this question you get a rough estimate about which countries are played out.

I don't want to be condescending but what makes you believe that the average kebab shop owner gets any play with local women in Germany ?

Turks in Germany are only a competition when you want to game turkish girls, imho.

[Greek kamaki]

I only mean opening a kebab shop,an asian restaurant etc implies business opportunities for foreigners.This means foreigners can get a foot on the ground. This is the case in Germany,CR etc but not the case in Poland or Ukraine. This has the consequence that the women from the latter countries are much less exposed to foreigners and less likely to have formed stereotypes about them.( Turks and Arabs generally have managed to create the most negative reputation all over western Europe).

[nogamenick]

You missed the sarcasm my friend. But at the same time. The Netherlands is not worth your time. But the asian exchange students are always some fun

[DayHawk]

(03-21-2014 01:03 PM)nogamenick Wrote:  

Dutch girls are not polite. Most Dutch girls will have strong opionions and are not afraid to show them. The phrases "I'm not your property", "I don't have to please you" and others of the sort are very common here. All in all Dutch people are not very approachable

Along with the Netherlands, in which countries girls behave the same way ?

[nogamenick]

I have yet to come across another. Of course, I wouldn't visit a country if I knew it'd be like that. I find the UK very different. Germany as well.

[DayHawk]

Greek kamaki:

As you are an expert on EE and CE. At present time, which country has less girls with butterfaces but with better teeth, CR and Slovakia ? In other words, which country's girls seems superior, when you come to Slovakia from CR, or when you come to CR from Slovakia ?

[Greek kamaki]

This is a very good question if CR or Slovakia is superior.If you ask the natives both Czechs and Slovaks will answer that Slovak girls look more beautiful. Even Czech women say that.
Model agencies recruit from both countries. They go directly to schools to choose their booty.
From my experience Bratislava can blow your mind if you come from Prague and it's superior to Ostrava,Brno which are near.Tge physical characteristics of Slovak girls are top if you prefer the Hungarian influence over the German influence that Czech girls exhibit.Let's say Czech girls look 70% slavic,30% German mixed while Slovak girls look 80% slavic,20% Hungarian mixed. This means that Slovak girls tend to have mega boobs compared to the extra sufficient calibers of Czech women,they tend to have fuller asses then Czech ones who also have very comfortable asses and they do not have so symmetric small Germanic noses like Czech women not reaching of course the levels of proboscis you see sometimes in Poland. Czech women tend to have better teeth(financially more advanced) and very good hair and posture.In legs department both Czech and Slovak women are slavic top hopefully slavic legs genes are dominant.
The combination of extra boobs,green mysterious slavic valleys eyes,dense blonde,not straight hair and supreme slavic legs creates colossal erections from Danube till the Mediterranean coast where these beauties wet their feet.

[BlondeChaser]

(03-19-2014 12:17 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Played out in Europe are CR,Baltics,Slovakia and parts of Poland and Hungary.Virgin lands remain Belarus and deep Russia.

No country is ever "played out". If you are young, relatively fit, run decent game, you should be able to get laid in any non-muslim country with time.

I would say sure some countries are easier from initial attraction to lay, but there's no country where you just show up, be a regular joe guy, and get laid in a 1st world country.

Personally found Europe as tough as the states in terms of game needed to fuck. The difference was the 7's acted like 6's. Huge Plus in terms of effort needed.

No fatties in Europe. So the girls who are fat, don't get bombarded with attention and girls always a bit more insecure then the states.

Bad Europe Countries to fuck:

England / Germany - Fucking warhogs

All the other western European countries seemed on par with each other.

Cities to avoid:

Anywhere RyanAir / EasyJet flies to. Caused by the drunk British ruining the local scene everywhere. Hint: Riga

[Teedub]

Riga absolutely. They despise Brits there now, so all English speakers have been tarnished I suspect. My Latvian mate advised me to avoid it.

The behaviour of some Brits make me ashamed. Pissing on war memorials etc.

Thst said, if you're not in a group, even the Ryanair destinations can be fine. Wroclaw for example.

I think Lviv will become a hot spot in the next few years. Best to check it out before that happens!

[Que enspastic]

Wroclaw I was expecting hordes of English. Been here 4 days and heard only 3 native English speakers. At the clubs I'm going to I'm guessing it's at least 80% Polish. Yes there's strip clubs but if you're in the student nightclub area there's not many foreigners at all.

[berserk]

(03-22-2014 05:55 AM)BlondeChaser Wrote:  

(03-19-2014 12:17 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Played out in Europe are CR,Baltics,Slovakia and parts of Poland and Hungary.Virgin lands remain Belarus and deep Russia.

No country is ever "played out". If you are young, relatively fit, run decent game, you should be able to get laid in any non-muslim country with time.

I would say sure some countries are easier from initial attraction to lay, but there's no country where you just show up, be a regular joe guy, and get laid in a 1st world country.

Personally found Europe as tough as the states in terms of game needed to fuck. The difference was the 7's acted like 6's. Huge Plus in terms of effort needed.

No fatties in Europe. So the girls who are fat, don't get bombarded with attention and girls always a bit more insecure then the states.

Bad Europe Countries to fuck:

England / Germany - Fucking warhogs

All the other western European countries seemed on par with each other.

Cities to avoid:

Anywhere RyanAir / EasyJet flies to. Caused by the drunk British ruining the local scene everywhere. Hint: Riga

Even within Europe, there are nationalities and looks which do better in certain countries. If you're Mediterranean looking guy - as in spanish, italian or israeli - then you'll still get lots of attention in Scandinavia. I know people say the opposite and refer to stigma due to being mistaken for being arab, but that's just on the first approach. Most scandi women fantasize about the dark mysterious italian/spaniard/greek in the same way blondes are almost pedestaled in those countries by the men. A black american will also find plenty of interested girls in scandinavia.

Likewise, as a scandinavian, I've always found very good reception in Britain. I don't know if it is the recent cultural exports or some stereotype of the viking, but I got loads of attention in London pubs and bars.

Another sub-niche are persian and black women in Stockholm, which are very eager if you're a scandi other than swedish.

I am sure a part of the difficulty you've found in Europe was not having the best intel on where to go. I assume its the same in states, but there can be huge differences from neighborhood to neighborhood in Europe and if you don't know where to go, you're likely to end up in a semi-hipster environment which is crap (at least for me) anywhere. One bar may be easy pickings and a bar 100 m from that may be full of posers.

[Greek kamaki]

This about Mediterranean guys is true. When I was younger and first travelled to Sweden I felt like having become ten times more attractive compared to Greece. You instantly feel the opportunities when you see the Swedish guys faces.However the Scandinavian collective mentality is an obstacle. You cannot act as a free sniper there.

[berserk]

Sweden, Denmark, Norway and Iceland are not the same, something I think Roosh also touched on, though of course to the foreigner they may look almost identical. Swedes are traditionally - in modern times - more collectivist than the danes. Swedes think of danes as impulsive, individualist and informal. Danes think of Swedes as polite, orderly and stuck up. Danes and Swedes think of Norwegians as friendly, but a bit simple and unrefined people.

In a perfect world, you'd have girls with the looks of the swede blondes, with the openness and friendly behavior of the norwegians and the unrestrained hedonism of danes.

[Greek kamaki]

Usually the first to explore the new hidden destinations are Greeks and Americans.This is due to natural gambler nature of Greeks.They like to undertake big risks and that is why they were the first to flock to countries like Ukraine,Moldova,Russia,CR,Poland,Romania,Bulgaria in the early nineties when most people were afraid only by the thought of being there.(there were rumours that you will get robbed from day one,lose your passport and even worse maybe lose your kidneys by an in night operation).Greeks did not care and were the first to try to stay and make business there.Some got killed of course in Russia and learned the hard lesson.
The second to come are usually the thirsty Arabs,Italians and Turks.They appear as second wave when they have heard from the others how good it is.The last ones who however make the most damage and kill the place are the British and Germans.When they appear the game is finished.That they appear means that there are enough comforts and infrastructure to provide them the guarantees needed so there is no adventure anymore just mass operations.