[gimmeunagi]

I'm about to start working for a location independent job and if all goes well I will be on a plane and solo world traveling while working in about 1.5-3 months from now. Bank roll looks like it'll probably be around 50k USD / year before tax.

I'm 22 and just graduated from university in December. American, 5'6'', white guy. Pretty beginner game, but I'm decent looking aside from my height, good job, and my greatest strength is I love starting conversations with strangers and approaching. Need to improve everything after the first three minutes though.

I've decided to pursue slow travel and explore Europe. My goal is to spend one year traveling and then decide what I want to do after that. I'll be working 9-5, trying to build social circles, and gaming.

My initial thoughts are to spend 3 months in a Schengen city, then 3 months in a non-Schengen, rinse, repeat.

My current list (not in any order yet):
Sweden (Schengen): Uppsala or Stockholm
Romania (Non-Schengen): Iasi or Bucharest
Poland (Schengen): Bunch of options
UK (Non-Schengen): Edinburgh or Glasgow
Germany (Schengen): Hamburg, Bremen, Kiel, or Hanover
Denmark (Schengen, but there's a bilateral treaty with USA): Copenhagen or Aarhus
Ukraine (Non-Schengen): Wanna go here really bad but dunno about the Crimea/Russian situation

My current city / country choices are based off:
1. I'm short so I'd like to avoid countries like the Netherlands. Are there any other places in my list I should avoid? I don't give a shit about my height but I'm realistic and I wanna get every advantage I can get. I've searched the forum a ton and read almost every datasheet on these countries and cities so I know there's not a real good consensus on where the shorties at. But apparently the UK and Romania should be good for that. Any input on this would be appreciated.
2. I'm really into pale white women (which seems to be more Northern Europe). Like ghastly fucking white if I had to be with one girl the rest of my life.
3. I like the thickness western european women have compared to eastern european women (not into chubbies/fatties, but at equal bodyfat percentages Western European women seem to me to have thicker bodies - especially hips and thighs - than Eastern European women who are more slender). But I have little exposure IRL to thinner Eastern looking women outside of porn so I want to see if I'm just naive of my boner's true preferences.
4. I know UK doesn't get much love on this forum but I have a thing for redheads so I wanna find out if Scotland is the promised land. And UK women are supposed to be really pale. We'll find out if I go there.

I want to provide serious datasheets / impressions / comparisons if this plan happens. I'm a seriously detailed writer.

If anyone has any thoughts on the cities I'm looking at, suggestions about places I should consider or places I should drop, or whatever else I'd love to hear it. And if anyone wants to know about getting location-independent work as a programmer (or just plain foreign / expat work as a programmer) I can answer questions about that.

I will make a datasheet on the city my uni's in (Lincoln, Nebraska) too when I have somewhere else to compare to. But right now it's hard for me to know what to chalk up to the game and what is unique to where I live. But I'll drop some nuggets on sorostitutes (as we call them here) in Nebraska. Pictures pulled from Facebook:



^^ These girls are pretty average for the college age demographic here. Sorority girls so they care a little more about fashion and makeup, but average in terms of raw beauty. I could post group photos from sororities where every girl is 8+, but this is a better depiction of what's more common. People say the Midwest USA is German-influenced. I have no idea - can anyone comment on if that seems accurate from this photo?



^^ And some pale redhead Nebraska sorostitutes to show something closer to my ideal...but from looking at club pics of Ireland and Scotland it doesn't look like they usually look like this. In fact looking at the club photo galleries in Edinburgh and Glasgow to be perfectly honest the people look a little ugly overall. Even watching British made porn I'm thinking to myself that a lot of the women are straight up ugly - and pornstars are supposed to be the epitome of sex appeal. Can I find girls like this there or do I need to go to Scandinavia or EE for this? Where the fuck are the hot redheads?

[Road_Less_Taken]

I think instead of that you should write a thread on how you are making 50 K right out of university, with a location independent job and are only 22. What are you doing? That's incredible

[L M McCoy]

Ohhh dude! I love Red Heads! Something about being that pale is pretty hot. I've heard a lot of people say Sweden is pretty overrated. Every girl I have ever known that is Hungarian is ridiculously hot and they have really long hair, you should put Hungary on your list. Also what did you get your degree in? Did you take any loans? If you don't mind me asking that is...I'm currently in CC and I'm just curios

[gimmeunagi]

@Road_Less_Taken: I studied Computer Science and have good internships, worked for companies during the school years, and have pretty good personal projects. Average new grad salary for software developers is at least 50-55 almost anywhere in the US (including Nebraska) and 70-90 depending on where you are in more expensive areas like high cost of living coastal cities. New grads in software who really know their shit can get 90-120k in the valley (one of my best friends got a job there and we didn't go to an Ivy league school or anything). In all honesty I could make a lot more if I lived in San Francisco or NYC but I'm taking the lower pay to be able to travel.

As far as remote work, all I can say is I've probably emailed/applied to 100 remote work companies/opportunities with somewhat personalized cover letters. Right place, right time.

@L M McCoy See above and no loans luckily due to scholarships.

[demolition]

I'm with Road_Less_Taken, an out-of-college gig providing 50k off a Bachelor's degree is some trick.

UK/Ireland/Scotland have big obesity problems, so the hot redheads are extremely rare. It's a numbers game for sure finding them.

[Road_Less_Taken]

Theres a fair number of redheads in Ireland and Scotland, I think the obesity thing is overstated especially if your from the States.

[Hispanic_Reasoning]

@OP those Nebraska girls look very bangable, especially the blonde ones. I would eat those up in a jiffy. There aren't many blondes here in California anymore and a shitload of Asians/Latins.

[gimmeunagi]

Yeah there are some seriously amazing girls here, the thing is the male competition (from a physical point of view) is seriously intense. If you aren't a good looking, tall, muscular dude you're fucked with the hottest-ish ones (and I'm a short, average dude in nerdy social circles). Every guy - or at least every guy who is in the game - lifts and lifts heavy. So there's no standing out just by being fit. And social circle is pretty damn important with sororities too - you've gotta be in a frat and a pretty respected frat at that to be get with the hottest ones. So if you are just a random dude who comes up to these girls at a bar (there are no clubs here) they are gonna have some decent bitch shields. There are some bars where everyone knows everyone just because the Greek scene here is that tight and incestous. But then again there aren't any older, attractive, successful guys from LA, NYC, Europe, etc. talking to these girls so it'd be interesting to hear how an RVF member experienced a US sorority/fraternity dominated nightlife in a US college town. I'm not sure how it'd go just because things seem so social-circle based here to me, but if you are their age you better have high SMV (tall, cool, attractive) for a male or have good game (which I don't have tons of either).

Also, I think high school and college age women everywhere are pretty bangable (and yeah I know high school age girls are off limits no need for trolling). I was working in Northern California for a few months and it's so different living somewhere where the nightlife is people who are all early 20s (Lincoln) vs people of all ages.

And also, there's a lot of discussion on this forum and elsewhere in the manosphere about how the average girl in non-Western countries is hotter because they have better diets and less McDonalds, sex ratios are more favorable and gender norms are more traditional, less cock carousel, etc. but I don't think there's always the acknowledgement of the fact that the upper tiers of western countries are insane. You take the hottest young upper-middle class and upper class women from America and face them off against the rest of the world and you're gonna find that the yoga classes, expensive clothes and makeup, and beauty obsession means that we beat almost anywhere. But the non-Western countries I would guess fare better when it comes to women not turning into blimps by age 30, not gobbling 100s of cocks like they're a starving kid at a buffet line, and having more of an even distribution of beauty rather than the extremely unequal distribution of beauty we have here (some fatties, some stunners). But the hottest American women probably kick the hottest Polish women's ass (I could totally be wrong about this and it's just a guess).

[Switch]

OP majored in Computer Science. Highly in demand field that is high-paying as well as there are very few people who are competent with both technical aspects of the job as well as social aspects. I plan to study CS at university when i begin in 2015. Will do something similar to OP.

[rudebwoy]

My choice would be Poland and Romania.

Sweden and Denmark the girls will generally be taller than you.

The Swedish girls I have met look better than the girls you posted in that pic.

[rottenapple]

Some thoughts:

-you should take weather into account (unless you like cold weather), meaning Scandinavia, Poland, UK only in the summer.
-I would personally skip Scandinavia and the UK, but you like pale chicks so perhaps you should stay with it, although you can trade them for the Baltics, where girls are hotter, pale and it is a lot cheaper. You will also have more value there. Try Latvia, Lithuania for instance.
-Eastern european girls are fitter, but dont think they are all slim and bony. Best asses and tits are found there as well.
-In all honesty, having visited almost everywhere in Europe, I would make a totally different list. I would ditch Sweden, Germany and Denmark. In the UK, I would indeed go for Scotland, take Edinburgh over Glasgow as its a student city. I would add in Spain or Portugal to get the Western European feel. Perhaps Croatia as well or if you dont mind a bit more off the beaten path, try Bosnia or Serbia. Greece can be interesting as well with the crisis. If you def want to have a bit more higher living standard as in the Western European countries, take Vienna instead of the German/Danish options. Beautiful city, lots of students, all luxury you need and Bratislava one hour away.
-Ukraine, just go to a second tier city, you probably wont notice too much of the troubles.

So lets see, you start in 3 months, its full summer

-jun-aug: If you must, start with your Scandinavian option, best would prob be Stockholm or Copenhagen. Or else go for the Baltics.
-sep-okt: Edinburg: for the redheads and nice scenery in the mountains, weather is still good and university start with tons of new students flocking in
-nov-jan: Winter now: time to mediate the shitty weather, Granada in Spain is a great city. Exchange student capital of Europe!
-Feb-apr: time for some Eastern europe: Bucharest or perhaps another city in Romania
-apr-jun: time for some obscure East. Eur. ,I advise for Sarajevo, Skopje, Thessaloniki
-Jun-Aug: Ukraine

This way you get to see many parts of Europe and never have the horrible full winter. Just my take.

[TravellerJay]

(03-13-2014 10:15 AM)rottenapple Wrote:  

Some thoughts:

-you should take weather into account (unless you like cold weather), meaning Scandinavia, Poland, UK only in the summer.
-I would personally skip Scandinavia and the UK, but you like pale chicks so perhaps you should stay with it, although you can trade them for the Baltics, where girls are hotter, pale and it is a lot cheaper. You will also have more value there. Try Latvia, Lithuania for instance.
-Eastern european girls are fitter, but dont think they are all slim and bony. Best asses and tits are found there as well.
-In all honesty, having visited almost everywhere in Europe, I would make a totally different list. I would ditch Sweden, Germany and Denmark. In the UK, I would indeed go for Scotland, take Edinburgh over Glasgow as its a student city. I would add in Spain or Portugal to get the Western European feel. Perhaps Croatia as well or if you dont mind a bit more off the beaten path, try Bosnia or Serbia. Greece can be interesting as well with the crisis. If you def want to have a bit more higher living standard as in the Western European countries, take Vienna instead of the German/Danish options. Beautiful city, lots of students, all luxury you need and Bratislava one hour away.
-Ukraine, just go to a second tier city, you probably wont notice too much of the troubles.

So lets see, you start in 3 months, its full summer

-jun-aug: If you must, start with your Scandinavian option, best would prob be Stockholm or Copenhagen. Or else go for the Baltics.
-sep-okt: Edinburg: for the redheads and nice scenery in the mountains, weather is still good and university start with tons of new students flocking in
-nov-jan: Winter now: time to mediate the shitty weather, Granada in Spain is a great city. Exchange student capital of Europe!
-Feb-apr: time for some Eastern europe: Bucharest or perhaps another city in Romania
-apr-jun: time for some obscure East. Eur. ,I advise for Sarajevo, Skopje, Thessaloniki
-Jun-Aug: Ukraine

This way you get to see many parts of Europe and never have the horrible full winter. Just my take.

Great post rottenaple. How is the weather in Granada Spain during the winter? your post sounds like the right kind of thing to travel and have some intense action with the local girls

[rottenapple]

(03-13-2014 10:51 AM)TravellerJay Wrote:  

(03-13-2014 10:15 AM)rottenapple Wrote:  

Some thoughts:

-you should take weather into account (unless you like cold weather), meaning Scandinavia, Poland, UK only in the summer.
-I would personally skip Scandinavia and the UK, but you like pale chicks so perhaps you should stay with it, although you can trade them for the Baltics, where girls are hotter, pale and it is a lot cheaper. You will also have more value there. Try Latvia, Lithuania for instance.
-Eastern european girls are fitter, but dont think they are all slim and bony. Best asses and tits are found there as well.
-In all honesty, having visited almost everywhere in Europe, I would make a totally different list. I would ditch Sweden, Germany and Denmark. In the UK, I would indeed go for Scotland, take Edinburgh over Glasgow as its a student city. I would add in Spain or Portugal to get the Western European feel. Perhaps Croatia as well or if you dont mind a bit more off the beaten path, try Bosnia or Serbia. Greece can be interesting as well with the crisis. If you def want to have a bit more higher living standard as in the Western European countries, take Vienna instead of the German/Danish options. Beautiful city, lots of students, all luxury you need and Bratislava one hour away.
-Ukraine, just go to a second tier city, you probably wont notice too much of the troubles.

So lets see, you start in 3 months, its full summer

-jun-aug: If you must, start with your Scandinavian option, best would prob be Stockholm or Copenhagen. Or else go for the Baltics.
-sep-okt: Edinburg: for the redheads and nice scenery in the mountains, weather is still good and university start with tons of new students flocking in
-nov-jan: Winter now: time to mediate the shitty weather, Granada in Spain is a great city. Exchange student capital of Europe!
-Feb-apr: time for some Eastern europe: Bucharest or perhaps another city in Romania
-apr-jun: time for some obscure East. Eur. ,I advise for Sarajevo, Skopje, Thessaloniki
-Jun-Aug: Ukraine

This way you get to see many parts of Europe and never have the horrible full winter. Just my take.

Great post rottenaple. How is the weather in Granada Spain during the winter? your post sounds like the right kind of thing to travel and have some intense action with the local girls

Weather in Granada is great year round, on top of that its a beautiful city, its cheap, the people are nice and there are very pretty girls due to the Moroccan influence and hence a bit more chubby/well rounded as you like ;-).

[Bad Hussar]

I know it gets a lot of hate in these parts, but why don't you consider London, rather than the Scottish cities you mention? Edinburgh may be OK, but Glasgow is going to be brutal. As you mention the UK is Non-Schengen, and as an American you will likely get 6 months "leave to remain" when entering.

You haven't listed any Tier 1 cities in your list. e.g. London, Paris, maybe Berlin now. Is this intentional? IMO the whole "travel to second/third tier cities, and even countries, in order to score" is poor advice. Tier 1 cities are top of the heap for a reason. One of the reasons they get more hate than other places is simply because there are more people living in them and travelling to them. And people like to bitch. Fewer people bitch about Milton-Keynes than London because far fewer people even know of it's existence. Doesn't mean it is a better place. It very definitely isn't.

[rottenapple]

If were talking about Tier 1 cities, I would avoid Paris. Berlin is a bit overhyped, but still cool. London cool as well but so expensive. Top choice in this category: Madrid or Barcelona!

[TravellerJay]

I like my women rounded.., big titties, nice hips and waist ratio and nice booty
Spain was highly influenced by Moorish and Jews and romans. Latin mixed with barbarian invasions 5th Century AD with the primitive saxon german root. that s why you see blondies and auburns in Spain and same time the latin type with dark olive skinned from middle east, north africa. This resulted in gorgeous mix, moorish with green eyes, blondies with dark eyes, etc

[TravellerJay]

Gimmeunagi, will you be able to remotely work from each region/city as rottenapple suggested?
if so, that d be ideal, that s my perfect independent situation so I could move in and out Schengen without losing the ability to game and score local hotties.
can you tell us if this is what you will do? remote work being a C. Scientist and easily move from city to city?

thanks

[TravellerJay]

Sophie Dee, the welsh porn star isnt exactly the prettiest girl there and her boobs are fake.
Hannah Harper is a pretty blonde
other than those 2, no other UK porn I can remember. Yes, you see some gorgeous Lucy Pinder and some other page 3 girls in UK daily newspapers but they arent too many comparing South America, Ukraine, Baltic, etc

[loveblondes]

(03-13-2014 11:40 AM)TravellerJay Wrote:  

Sophie Dee, the welsh porn star isnt exactly the prettiest girl there and her boobs are fake.
Hannah Harper is a pretty blonde
other than those 2, no other UK porn I can remember. Yes, you see some gorgeous Lucy Pinder and some other page 3 girls in UK daily newspapers but they arent too many comparing South America, Ukraine, Baltic, etc

Sophie dee looks exactly like your average british chick (at least facially wise with obviously fake boobs and dyed blond hair) the same would go for Kerry luise... typical british faces, not my cup of tea.

Hanna harper is a minority in UK phenotype a small part who actually looks more continental european influenced and less typical briton (proto european features).

[TravellerJay]

(03-13-2014 12:45 PM)loveblondes Wrote:  

(03-13-2014 11:40 AM)TravellerJay Wrote:  

Sophie Dee, the welsh porn star isnt exactly the prettiest girl there and her boobs are fake.
Hannah Harper is a pretty blonde
other than those 2, no other UK porn I can remember. Yes, you see some gorgeous Lucy Pinder and some other page 3 girls in UK daily newspapers but they arent too many comparing South America, Ukraine, Baltic, etc

Sophie dee looks exactly like your average british chick (at least facially wise with obviously fake boobs and dyed blond hair) the same would go for Kerry luise... typical british faces, not my cup of tea.

Hanna harper is a minority in UK phenotype a small part who actually looks more continental european influenced and less typical briton (proto european features).

what about lucy pinder mate? and without entering porn industry, what about alice goodwin? do they fit into same hannah harper phenotype? I d bang Sophie Dee and shoot some hot spunk into her big fake titties, dont get me wrong, but her face seems pretty plain and more homely than comely.., I know a terrible thing to say to a girl that she is homely

I d bang hannah till she makes me speak with public school accent., which wouldnt take too long.
and then i d keep banging her for she is one slutty fun blondie, nice tits and ass

[loveblondes]

(03-13-2014 12:57 PM)TravellerJay Wrote:  

(03-13-2014 12:45 PM)loveblondes Wrote:  

(03-13-2014 11:40 AM)TravellerJay Wrote:  

Sophie Dee, the welsh porn star isnt exactly the prettiest girl there and her boobs are fake.
Hannah Harper is a pretty blonde
other than those 2, no other UK porn I can remember. Yes, you see some gorgeous Lucy Pinder and some other page 3 girls in UK daily newspapers but they arent too many comparing South America, Ukraine, Baltic, etc

Sophie dee looks exactly like your average british chick (at least facially wise with obviously fake boobs and dyed blond hair) the same would go for Kerry luise... typical british faces, not my cup of tea.

Hanna harper is a minority in UK phenotype a small part who actually looks more continental european influenced and less typical briton (proto european features).

what about lucy pinder mate? and without entering porn industry, what about alice goodwin? do they fit into same hannah harper phenotype? I d bang Sophie Dee and shoot some hot spunk into her big fake titties, dont get me wrong, but her face seems pretty plain and more homely than comely.., I know a terrible thing to say to a girl that she is homely

I d bang hannah till she makes me speak with public school accent., which wouldnt take too long.
and then i d keep banging her for she is one slutty fun blondie, nice tits and ass

No , they dont fit in the hanna harper phenotype, however they arent representative either (although if you think lucy pinder fits within your average briton, her face doesnt stand out as foreign looking, 5'4 to 5'5 in height, tends to be curvy + minus the overweight factor and perhaps bob job and better than average face), but if you think average british girl look like that you are far from the scope.

British women (and you can throw the Irish women there) have nothing going on them, bad body shape (bad proportions) which often includes shorter legs and arms compared to torso, too big heads and curvy bodies (which arent a bad thing) that when not kept in right shape can easily turn into pear shaped body, overwheight, below subpart facial features, not good statures, etc, think in Kelly osbourne. Of course you gonna find a minority of hotties but chances they are foreign or mixed with something else is high. Also their blondes are almost always dyed blondes/peroxide blondes, lots of brits have height darkbrown hair or mousy hair color but yellow or golden blonden as in the germanic countries isnt common at all, specially not among women, which if present 80-90% of times doesnt come naturally but from a bottle (strong pre-germanic genetics going on, even among the english peoples).

Its different a british women with 5-10 kg extra than a german/dutch women with 5/10 kg extra imo. British women due to their body-types dont carry well the extrra fat because they are less muscular, shorter and have smaller bone structure than the germanics, also duo to the fact they are noticeable shorter than other northern european women, it makes their overweight much more noticeable (averave british woman must be about 5'4 or 5'4 1/2 at best , and tons of them are even below 5'3 mark, believe it or not)

[TravellerJay]

Wow loveblondes, really impressive mate
well explained and lots of info that you cannot fake and or invent.

[ridiculous_nicholas]

A few logistical things that you might want to explore to narrow down where you want/can go:

1. Cost of living. Its obvious you already have a grasp on this concept. $50k a year is good in Nebraska (I'm in Iowa so about the same environment) but I see places like London, Stockholm, and Copenhagen listed. All extremely expensive cities that 50k a year won't get you far in. I would take a look at cities that provide the best bang for your buck in this regard.

2. Healthcare system. honestly, see what its like. Are you still on your parents health insurance? I know at 22 you don't think much about stuff like this but it could be something to think about if you get diagnosed with cancer or something catastrophic.

[CEO]

Cork, Cork Ireland is a redhead paradise in my opinion. Lots of blondes as well and a recent influx of Poles. Im in Cork next week and dieing to start fucking my own kind again (Im a Ginger as most westerners would say) Definitely take your time in Cork and PM me if you end up their ever and want to chill with a Corker!

[Greek kamaki]

If you go for women Europe=eastern Europe. There is nothing else.