[gimmeunagi]

Lots of good feedback here thanks guys.

I don't care about cold weather but I agree it makes sense to go to Northern places during summer. Does nightlife die down during the winter in the cold Northern countries? If it's just about being comfortable, I'm totally used to frozen winters being from the Midwest USA.

The reason I'm picking Tier 2 cities instead of Tier 1 cities is I'm trying to pick university towns since as 22 year old I find it more difficult to hit on women who are older than me and I imagine it'll be easier to make friends with students and other people my age. Also it seems like in general the cost of living is higher in Tier 1 than Tier 2.

It would be interesting to hear more of WHY I want to pick somewhere like London over Edinburgh - what are the benefits of Tier 1 over Tier 2? Is it just that there are more venues popping on weekdays? Or that there are more 8s, 9s, and 10s? In the USA at least I'm really only able to get 6's and some 7's so the quality or quantity of top tier girls doesn't matter to me as much as the overall quality of the average girl.

To everyone recommending Spain from everything I've read on this forum ONS are less typical and harder to get there (feel free to disagree and disabuse me of that notion if it's not actually true) and also I'm not as into the darker more Mediterranean look as much as I am into paler Northern look. And I don't care about weather unless nightlife just shuts down during the winter in northern Europe.

As far as cost of living goes if anyone thinks my plan is economically infeasible then that's good information to know. My costs should be low - I'm covered by my parents healthcare plan until age 26, no loan payments, my big costs will just be rent + food + travel costs. If I live in an equal number of cheaper countries (Poland, Romania) as I do expensive ones (Sweden, UK), then I imagine I'll be fine? In doing research on salaries for non-remote software work it seems like even in Germany starting salaries can be around 30-40k Euros/year.

It could be true that the East is so much better than the West but I think it's going to have to be something I see for myself before I can really understand/believe it. I'm still sort of theorizing that it depends on what body type you like - to me a lot of Eastern European girls in porn are slender, have compact/tight asses, narrow hips, and slim thighs/legs - but I've also never fucked a girl with that body type or been there so I don't know. If you go to wowgirls.com or ftvgirls.com and look at the pictures those sorts of body types are what I imagine when I think of Eastern European women. On the other hand I see Western European bodies as being overall thicker/wider across the board - in porn terms more like the girls on bangbros.com or realitykings.com and for me that sort of body is more appealing. Can anyone who's traveled Europe comment on if these sites reflect the difference in body types between west and west at all or is this just not the case? Lastly, I do acknowledge that in the East the cost of living is much better and the women are more traditional. And regardless I plan to visit both.

[mbare]

I'm still writing up my European Datasheet, so will most post on here when I finish.

[rudebwoy]

To the OP - I wouldn't use Bangbros as an indication of women in EEurope.(Roll my eyes)
Talking about body types is a bit silly also, I will say Eastern Europe has more sexy women per capita than Western Europe.
Tier 1 cities are tough because you have more competition and the girls won't be impressed by anything you do or say. That is why so many dudes are in Wroclaw as opposed to Warsaw in Poland.
Tier 2 cities don't usually see many foreign dudes, so you are more of a novelty.
Roosh has written about this in great detail, so I suggest you do a search.
There is great information on this forum about alot of these places.

[gimmeunagi]

Yeah rudebwoy if you check what I wrote again I was trying to ask if Western European are analogous to girls on bangbros and Eastern European women are analagous to girls on wowgirls or ftvgirls. I don't think EEurope women look like the typical bangbros girl at all. But yeah that was a question not a statement - I wasn't trying to make any claims more just ask if my theory seemed reasonable to anyone else.

To me talking about body types isn't really silly because I haven't been on the ground anywhere in Europe yet. But I understand that a lot of people here are telling me that EEuropean have better bodies no matter what your tastes are. And maybe that's true. I just want to see if anyone disagrees with that at all.

And what you wrote about Tier 1 / Tier 2 resonates with me and makes sense. I'd like to hear back from Bad Hussar though on his POV of why Tier 1 is a better bet.

[rudebwoy]

^ I think the statement Eastern European have better bodies no matter what your tastes are sums it up in a nutshell.

Tier 1 cities are like New York, sure it maybe a great city but it is very expensive and girls aren't going to be easily impressed.
London is my "hometown" but a night out will cripple you there in terms of cost, the city is too big like a lot of Tier 1 cities to navigate.

[Bad Hussar]

(03-15-2014 07:23 PM)gimmeunagi Wrote:  

Yeah rudebwoy if you check what I wrote again I was trying to ask if Western European are analogous to girls on bangbros and Eastern European women are analagous to girls on wowgirls or ftvgirls. I don't think EEurope women look like the typical bangbros girl at all. But yeah that was a question not a statement - I wasn't trying to make any claims more just ask if my theory seemed reasonable to anyone else.

To me talking about body types isn't really silly because I haven't been on the ground anywhere in Europe yet. But I understand that a lot of people here are telling me that EEuropean have better bodies no matter what your tastes are. And maybe that's true. I just want to see if anyone disagrees with that at all.

And what you wrote about Tier 1 / Tier 2 resonates with me and makes sense. I'd like to hear back from Bad Hussar though on his POV of why Tier 1 is a better bet.

I'd choose Tier 1 cities for myself because I generally like either big cities on the one hand, or the countryside/mountains on the other. For reasons independent of girls. Mid range cities don't really do it for me. But also with girls I've actually done better in London, when I lived there, and New York when visiting, than in most other places I've been. I know it runs against what most members are saying, but it's my experience that girls in Tier 1 cities are no less approachable than in Tier 2/3.

I don't know. "Power" concentrates in certain places. In most European countries it is EXTREMELY concentrated in a nations capital. London, Paris, Amsterdam, Vienna etc. They completely overwhelm the rest of their countries. This power attracts both men and women, maybe for slightly different reasons. So in Tier 1 cities you will find a lot of hot women. It's true that many of them will have very high expectations, but there are many more of them to begin with than in smaller places. In both absolute and relative terms. My theory is that this makes many girls a bit more humble than they would be since now it is obvious to them that they are just one hot girl among 1,000's, rather than the hottest girl in town. Changes their perspective.

But like I said, my view is a minority one here.

[Greek kamaki]

It depends on the country.There is nothing compared to Kiev in Ukraine but Warsaw in.Poland leaves a lot to be desired.There is no.absolute rule about superiority of capital vs provincial cities.In fact there are a handful of good cities in every EE country which change from year to year.Some cities in Ukraine are better than some cities in Poland and vice versa.As a general rule however EE is a lot superior to western Europe in every aspect and this is a no brainer.A guy who intends to hit western Europe would have better time if he stayed in America it is completely worthless to make that trip for this reason.

[loveblondes]

(03-17-2014 04:04 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

It depends on the country.There is nothing compared to Kiev in Ukraine but Warsaw in.Poland leaves a lot to be desired.There is no.absolute rule about superiority of capital vs provincial cities.In fact there are a handful of good cities in every EE country which change from year to year.Some cities in Ukraine are better than some cities in Poland and vice versa.As a general rule however EE is a lot superior to western Europe in every aspect and this is a no brainer.A guy who intends to hit western Europe would have better time if he stayed in America it is completely worthless to make that trip for this reason.

And If you arent attracted to the "type" of beauty of russian/ukranian women?
The same, even An asian 10's who most of the foum would die to have, does nothing for me.

[Vicious]

Not entirely what the OP is asking for, but if you want to travel Europe on half-slow speed you should get the Interrail global pass:
http://www.interrail.eu/interrail-passes/global-pass

Will allow you to visit 30 countries up to a months.

Travelling by train is a great way to meet people as well.

[gimmeunagi]

(03-17-2014 04:04 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

A guy who intends to hit western Europe would have better time if he stayed in America it is completely worthless to make that trip for this reason.

I think I am leaning towards visiting Eastern Europe first because if nothing else I'll be able to save up more money while living there, but I find it hard to believe Western European women aren't 1000x better than American women.

If I had to guess it would be like:

American : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Western : : : : Eastern



If you believe the stats America is in a league of its own in terms of obesity and there's much less of a difference between Western and Eastern Europe comparatively. The shitty thing of course is it's hard to find statistics that compare EU countries and Eastern states so I'm not sure how Ukraine, Romania, or Russia would rank.

Have you been to America, Greek kamaki? It's a scary, scary place.

[loveblondes]

(03-17-2014 10:08 PM)gimmeunagi Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 04:04 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

A guy who intends to hit western Europe would have better time if he stayed in America it is completely worthless to make that trip for this reason.

I think I am leaning towards visiting Eastern Europe first because if nothing else I'll be able to save up more money while living there, but I find it hard to believe Western European women aren't 1000x better than American women.

If I had to guess it would be like:

American : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Western : : : : Eastern



If you believe the stats America is in a league of its own in terms of obesity and there's much less of a difference between Western and Eastern Europe comparatively. The shitty thing of course is it's hard to find statistics that compare EU countries and Eastern states so I'm not sure how Ukraine, Romania, or Russia would rank.

Have you been to America, Greek kamaki? It's a scary, scary place.

This.. let alone the entlitement they have..

The thing ever to witness was in atlanta... fat chicks in clubs rejecting all the time decent looking dudes.. the girls had nothing but a vagina... thats how beta most american men are.... same women would get completly ignoref in a more normal country...

[MrRoundtree]

Dude, Zagreb, even if its a capital, is almost like a Tier 2 city. It's an hidden gem. Pretty easy there.

Hit up then the Adriatic coast for all kind of europeans.

Try Belgrade for the best nightlife in Europe, although super hard to get Serbian girls...but the most beautiful women one Earth.

And then, Budva in Montenegro... your Testosterone level will be at top all the time and you will always have a boner there. But the girls are hard no shit.. the flyest and most beautiful Serbians and Russians you will ever see..

[TravellerJay]

Can someone help me understand the schengen and non schengen areas?
I did some research and if your nationality allows you not to have a visa to enter the schengen then you can stay no longer than 90 days within 180 days.
if you leave schengen to non schengen and more than 180 days have passed, does than mean you can re enter schengen and the counter resets and you have again 90 days within 180?
if someone can clarify this and help me that d be great

thanks

Jay

[renotime]

(03-17-2014 06:41 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

Not entirely what the OP is asking for, but if you want to travel Europe on half-slow speed you should get the Interrail global pass:
http://www.interrail.eu/interrail-passes/global-pass

Will allow you to visit 30 countries up to a months.

Travelling by train is a great way to meet people as well.

According to the link only European citizens can use the pass.

Alternative for Non Euro citizens.

http://www.eurail.com/eurail-passes/global-pass

[Vicious]

(03-18-2014 12:55 PM)renotime Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 06:41 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

Not entirely what the OP is asking for, but if you want to travel Europe on half-slow speed you should get the Interrail global pass:
http://www.interrail.eu/interrail-passes/global-pass

Will allow you to visit 30 countries up to a months.

Travelling by train is a great way to meet people as well.

According to the link only European citizens can use the pass.

Alternative for Non Euro citizens.

http://www.eurail.com/eurail-passes/global-pass

You're right I got the two passes confused, they're issued by the same organization and their websites look very similar. Good catch.

Fortunately the difference in price for non-european citizens is negligible.

[Player G]

Wow, very surprised to see that here in Slovakia there is those much fatties, If you just go out for a supermarket or out on a saturday night it doesn't look very much like that, anyway...

... I wanted to give gimmeuangi a little suggestion, from a short guy to another (I am around 5'7", that's reasonably short around here). Look the internet for Bertulli shoes or any other kind of high increasing shoes, you really want to have those babies when u go out gaming in eastern Europe. You can gain 2-3 inches and it's practically invisible. Almost all my shoes are from them.
You are not going to have a big edge on the local girls anyway because they are already naturally tall and many of them, when they go out partying, wear 5-6 inches heel shoes, those raised also in the front part! If you happen to bed some pussy and don't want her to get your secret, just let her undress her shoes first (if you anyway actually mind at that point!).
I don't consider my "special shoes" a dirty trick. They just make things even, or "kind of even". For sure around here 5'9" gives you some better chances than 5'6", believe me on that!

[renotime]

(03-17-2014 04:04 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

It depends on the country.There is nothing compared to Kiev in Ukraine but Warsaw in.Poland leaves a lot to be desired.There is no.absolute rule about superiority of capital vs provincial cities.In fact there are a handful of good cities in every EE country which change from year to year.Some cities in Ukraine are better than some cities in Poland and vice versa.As a general rule however EE is a lot superior to western Europe in every aspect and this is a no brainer.A guy who intends to hit western Europe would have better time if he stayed in America it is completely worthless to make that trip for this reason.

Your inbox is full, sir.

[TravellerJay]

Can someone let me know about the schengen non schengen I mentioned before?

thanks

[Bad Hussar]

(03-19-2014 08:05 AM)TravellerJay Wrote:  

Can someone let me know about the schengen non schengen I mentioned before?

thanks

I'm not an expert but I believe the answer to your question is "Yes", it does reset.

The way you asked your question makes it quite simple. You stay for the maximum time allowed, exit the zone and then return after staying out for exactly the required time. In real life you'd do something like leave a little before the 90 day maximum so you'd still have some days "banked", and if you re-enter again before the required time out of the zone the calculation becomes more complicated.

PS: Not sure bout the 180 days you mentioned. I think you can stay in the zone for 90 days exit 90 days then come back in for another 90 day stay. Technically you could do this ad infinitum, though in practice this kind of behavior would likely raise flags and you'd probably be detained for questioning by immigration.

[TravellerJay]

Thanks Bad Hussar

[mbare]

Here ya go, everything I got for the most part. European datasheet.
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-34821.html

[Tideride]

OP-
What kind of job are you getting to be location independent if you don't mind my asking?

Tip on redheads in the US-
Nashville TN has some of the most boner inducing red heads you will see but the catch is they are few and far between- Go hang out on Broadway, around all the nightlife on Printers Alley- BB Kings Club, Graham Central Station- you are bound to see 2-4 knockout gingers in a night. Same thin goes for the malls (try Cool Springs Galleria) and the Opryland Hotel Convention center- you will spot some awesome gingers but they are few and far between this is land of the blondes. For brunette and black chicks to Atlanta GA go to midtown buck head 5 points or any of the big malls.

Nashville is the Fity for gingers-Im talking Christina Hendricks or better but they are not as common as others. I've done recon on Scotland those girls are ugly IMO if Inset to Europe Id go to St Petersburg or Kiev- aim for the stars you may catch the Moon. Go to the top EE cities don't go to second rate women look at Rooshs interview I the Ukrainen tv in Kharkov- of hose chicks don't excite you you must be in a parallel universe. Good luck.

[gimmeunagi]

Tideride: Software development. It's not easy to get remote work without already being experienced in the industry, but I was able to do it after just graduating so if a person brute-forces the problem hard enough I think most developers would be able to find a remote software gig (though it might not pay as well as you'd make if you weren't remote). Does this mean you should switch careers and start studying coding on the weekends so you can get a software job working remotely? Not necessarily. If you don't enjoy the work then you'll be miserable and it's a field where you have to be studying new technologies all the time or your knowledge quickly becomes obsolete. If you want to go from knowing nothing to a remote job doing software it's going to likely take you years of study/practice before you'll get to the point of being competent enough to get hired to work remotely. It will take much less time to go from knowing nothing to getting a normal software job. And software is a good field, so I wouldn't dissuade anyone from doing that. I just don't want anyone to be too naive that they can do Khan Academy for six months on Saturdays and then get this kind of job.

Doing contracting/consulting/freelancing is a different story, you'll have to ask someone else about that but both the barrier to entry and the pay are potentially lower depending on the types of gigs and where you find them. So in six months of study it's possible you'll know enough to make an OK living working online if you were to live somewhere with a really low cost of living like SEA.

Any stats/data/logic behind why there are a lot of boner inducing redheads in Nashville? Or that's just your gut feeling after being there? Either way, redheads would mostly just be a bonus to going to the UK but the last thing I wanna do is spend any more time in America than I have to. Honestly its mostly really pale women that I like, and redheads just happen to have about the palest shade of skin you can have. But perhaps I overplayed that aspect.

Back to the main topic of the thread.

Regarding everyone in this thread suggesting that visiting Scandinavia, UK, or Germany is a waste of time: I've decided I'm definitely going to go to Eastern Europe first, probably Poland or Romania, but I still want to at the very least visit the aforementioned Western cities. This trip is about more than just women for me. I know many on this forum would go live in Antarctica if there were enough HB9s there but for me it's also a reconnaissance mission on culture, quality of life, and the character of the people I'd make friends with. I consider it likely that I will settle down in one location long-term in Europe and so other factors aside from women are also important to me. And I'd like to do my best to develop social circles during the time I have in each place and start to get an idea of how the people are socially. I know I might struggle do so in 3 months but I will try. But WE seems to have many advantages over EE in many non-game aspects.

But like I said I'll visit EE first and then head west and if everyone seems obese in comparison I can always cancel the rest of the western destinations and head back east.

I've moved Romania, UK, Poland, and Ukraine to the top of my list.

Romania: Extreme quality according to RVF, cheap as balls, women are short for being European. Romance language so it would be easier to learn than slavic languages if I were to come back and live there for a longer term than this recon trip.
Ukraine: Same as above, though maybe not as short as Romanians? But paler than Romanians which is a plus. Downside: probably least amount of English and difficult languages (Russian and Ukrainian).
Poland: More people speak English than Ukraine (and Romania I'd guess?), still cheap cost of living, downside is they are taller than UK, Romania, or Ukraine from what it sounds like. But paler than Romanians and less fat than in the UK.
UK: Really fucking pale women (from my research they might be the palest), can speak the language fluently so if I go crazy from being socially isolated in EE I will be able to regain my sanity here, women are short as balls. Lots of redheads in Scotland. Also I have a theory that I'm some sort of abnormal freak by this forum's standards and prefer the body type of Anglo women and Germanic women to Slavs, so going here will help me put that theory to the test after being balls deep in Romania and Poland. I'm still somewhat scared because UK has the fattest women in Europe but I'm coming from the US so it can't be worse right?. And maybe someone can comment on if this is right or wrong, but I imagine people in their 20s are in decent shape but then they all get fat as they get older? That's how it is here.

Because I want to avoid Ukraine until things stabilize, my current plan is 3 months in each of Romania (Bucharest or Iasi), Poland (dunno yet), UK (Edinburgh most likely).

Beyond that I'm undecided but the top of the list is Sweden (Stockholm or one of the uni towns, but supposedly you can't get into student bars without being a member of one of the nations so dunno if its worth living in one), Czech Republic (dunno where), and Germany (Hamburg, Bremen, Kiel, or Hanover).

Also, I know I've seen some posts about how annoying it is when new members come and get a bunch of advice and don't contribute, and I will definitely be posting once I'm there to give my experiences and I'm sure also to get advice. And I'm more than happy to talk about my thoughts and experiences with Nebraska or the Bay area but I don't know that I have much of value to say.

[Orson]

I've moved Romania, UK, Poland, and Ukraine to the top of my list.

This looks like a sound strategy to me.

I'm tall, but since you are not, I'd skip Scandinavia - too tall there for your purposes.

I've spent two months in Lincoln, Nebraska at UNL - I auditioned a PhD advisor by taking a summer grad course, and loved the town and university.

Students are smart and motivated and tall and Germanic and Scandinavian looking. (But then I grew up with that because I'm a Minnesota native.) And the fun-seekers are cool, too!

For example, I got to know an English literature prof from NYC by way of the University of Arkansas. She was spending her sabbatical at UNL. She was an enthusiastic convert to UNL and bought all the paraphernalia of a booster! She loved finding "an island of culture" there.

On to redheads! My mom was one, and I've had no less than six GFs and lovers of the redhead persuasion. I love 'em like you do - if only because "the redder the berry the sweeter the juice!"

A social psych news story from 2006 says redheads are lustier!

Quote:

Blondes may have more fun but redheads have more sex, according to new research in Germany.

The study by Hamburg Sex Researcher Professor Dr Werner Habermehl looked at the sex lives of hundreds of German women and compared them with their hair colour.

He said: "The sex lives of women with red hair were clearly more active than those with other hair colour, with more partners and having sex more often than the average. The research shows that the fiery redhead certainly lives up to her reputation."

He added that women who dyed their hair red from another colour were signalling they were looking for a partner....

"Redheads Have More Sex Than Blondes or Brunettes"

YEAH, redheads are fun! They are the Norsemen's gift to posterity, along with blondes. The Vikings traded them as far South as Persia through Russia. They were prized for their golden hair in hareems, naturally!

In my time in England, here's a pointer useful for your purposes.
The invading Vikings stopped raiding villages in a diagonal line, approximating the old Roman wall in Britain.

Here's a map
showing what I mean

Northeast of that settlement line is where you'll find a Hell of a lot more natural redheads and blondes (with light eyes) in Britain because of that Viking legacy of settlement and intermarriage. And Southwest of that line you see consistently a lot more brunettes and brown eyed women (like Catherine Zeta-Jones, born in Wales).

It strikes an American as crazy that something that happened almost one-thousand years ago still affects the genetic inheritance like redheads and blondes - but it does!

First, know that until recent decades, the average Brit lived and died less than 30 mile radius of where he or she was born. People simply didn't migrate elsewhere on the Island-nation.

I was in a hostel in May in Flagstaff, AZ (entrance to Grand Canyon and the Colorado Plateau), and I had two male roommates from Liverpool - one a ginger.

They were STILL deeply awe-struck by the fact that American's will uproot themselves from their family and go find work hundreds and thousands of miles from home. We take this pattern for granted. In Europe, families are like ancestral ties or yokes. In America, our family pattern is different. It is more strictly nuclear. In Europe, it is extended to relatives and by implication, the legacy of tribes.

I understand that redheads in Scotland are in the teens of population. But I've not been there. It may well be your promised land of redheads with little language barrier (only accents)!

Good hunting and don't forget to report back on your travels and discoveries! You're some four months overdue, by my reckoning.

But let my close by saying I love the fact the Cali born actress Kaley Cuoco who plays Penny on "Big Bang Theory" - proudly hails from Nebraska. It's much less hick than the producer Lee Aronsohn - who did a stint at UNL during his youth, too - makes it out to be. It's excellent comic foil, but far from the truth.

Even in Colorado, the negative stereotypes prevail: "Nebraska sucks, but Wyoming blows!"

Like Minnesota, Nebraska is "flyover country" to most of the US. The stereotypes for both places ring true - and to a degree are true! But not UNL and Lincoln, which is a diamond in the rough. Really - "Melissa Midwest" legal harassments aside (just Wiki that up) - it's a fine place to visit and live.

[rudebwoy]

Rottenapple has listed a great blueprint.
UK I would seriously scratch from the list, unless it is for tourism and short stay.