[rottenapple]

"I personally find interacting with people who don't interest me, emotionally exhausting."

Completely agree with this, sometimes after a SNL with a girl I simply like because she is hot, I need a 12 hour sleep or a day doing almost nothing to recover. I guess it drains my energy so much to do the whole routine at times and this itself is my greatest weakness in game. If I wouldn't have this, I would have done double the dates I do now. I don't think it will improve a lot either since I am not that new to this, but some tips in this post are certainly worth giving a try.

[WestIndianArchie]

(03-11-2014 02:49 PM)Moma Wrote:  

[quote='WestIndianArchie' pid='675878' dateline='1394561456']
But then there's the Jerry Rice method

http://hoopthoughts.blogspot.com/2009/09...c.html?m=1

He would typically continue practicing long after the rest of the team had gone home.

What does this mean?

The conversation is leaning towards reducing and conserving the energy you put towards game.

If one approaches it like Jerry Rice, where will, mental toughness takes one well past the point of exhaustion, one greatly expands what is possible.

WIA

[Benoit]

(03-12-2014 08:56 AM)Elim Wrote:  

Well the thread was about energy. Some people probably get energy from it, and others are sucked dry. Disagree?

I agree. I find it mentally exhausting to get out there and run game for an extended period.

I try to put myself in situations where I will be around eligible women so that I don't have any excuses. I don't allow myself the way out of being "too tired".

[Bill]

Women are the greatest trolls and energy suckers so one has to have a good system to deal with the bad effects. Game is for the guys who already have high energy and good energy management. Many guys who don´t have a proper system get burned out rather fast. That´s why there are only few older players. It´s like pick up basketball in the long run very few guys have developed a system to be fit till they get older.

[berserk]

(03-11-2014 09:38 AM)Moma Wrote:  

Anytime you acquire new territory, it takes energy. It takes energy to move to a new place and develop new friendships, new bonds, new relationships.

To minimalise this, game must become a part of your every day routine. If you are a social person and you live in a city with friendly people, this becomes easy. Sex becomes a byproduct of these social interactions. Some people enjoy putting themselves in the traffic areas.
If you are an introvert, you may find interacting with people emotionally taxing. I personally find interacting with people who don't interest me, emotionally exhausting.

When I lived in Toronto, I weeded out flakes with my living location. I lived right near the city core, with maybe five clubs within walking distance from me and MULTIPLE bars. I would invite lizards to a place near me.
I would maybe shower and lie in my boxer shorts with my clothes out, waiting for her to call and say she is at the station or near the bar.
Only then, would I put my clothes on. If not, I would either go to sleep or wait for my friends to call (which they always did) to go out hunting.
This didn't take much energy and allowed me to weed through flakes efficiently.

Another important thing is to look for is fielding for IOI's in YOUR city. 80 percent of your casual interaction should involve capitalising on those who are actually interested in you so that when you do engage in convo, they are helping you along instead of having you do ALL the work yourself to get her interested.
Gaming a lizard who is interested in you is much easier than breaking through an ice queen.

PERSONAL EXAMPLE OF IOI RECOGNITION

An example of IOI recognition is, I remember going to a club across the road where I lived one night and just playing watchmen for a bit. I noticed a lizard hold a glance at me and I told one of my boys that I am going in.
When I got closer, I noticed that she had a tongue ring. This immediately signalled freak and enabled me to have more confidence that I would break through.
I spoke to her and asked her for a dance moving in to grab her at the same time. She told me not to touch her waist in an semi aggressive fashion but I knew it was just shyt test.
Cut a long story short, I banged her a week later.

I think a lot of times, guys spend a lot of energy trying to game lizards that are not into them. I think that should only take 20 percent of investment at most.

PERCENTAGES OF INVESTMENT

In Toronto, I used to game with some older guys..one was a Guyanese cat in his mid 40s and another was a Jamaican cat in his early 40s. The Guyanese guy spent 1% investment in lizards who didn't give IOI and he was done for the night and the Jamaican guy spent 0% in lizards with no IOI.
I observed this for years..I raved with them for about 2 years with the frequency bumping up to almost weekly during warmer months.

So in summary, working out in which situations and when to divulge energy, is how gaming can become less taxing.

Good post thanks, it does highlight the importance of logistics, much underrated generally. Would you characterize yourself as an introvert by the way?

[Moma]

(03-12-2014 10:33 AM)berserk Wrote:  

Good post thanks, it does highlight the importance of logistics, much underrated generally. Would you characterize yourself as an introvert by the way?

Yes, I'm an introvert. I'm a streak player, a Jamal Crawford of opening. When I get going, I can open up all night, IDGAF.

But initially, I can be cold and indifferent and viewed as standoffish especially if I'm in a place where I don't see external warmth and welcoming eye contact.

[StrikeBack]

(03-11-2014 08:19 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

It takes a lot of energy to go out and approach girls. It takes a lot of energy to day game - just walking around. It takes a tremendous amount of energy to get a SNL, unless you get lucky. You have to approach, talk with, dance with, drink with, make out with, convince her to go back to your place, overcome resistance, and then in the early hours of the morning perform sexually. We are talking about running a marathon here kind of energy. In a lot of instances of SNL, what it comes down to is just wearing the girl out, just like in a boxing match. I personally don't find this enjoyable but for many guys the end justifies the means. (I have crawled away from so many SNL simply because I ran out energy that I am too ashamed to even remember how many..)

This thread resonates with me as it was the very reason I decided to completely change my Game. Especially the quoted paragraph. That described my last SNL a few years ago (except that I already knew the girl - housemate of a friend). The night started at 9pm-ish, and I pretty much wore out everyone - the other friends, the cockblocks, the orbiters, the competitors, and the girl herself - in order to get a very mediocre bang at about 4:30am. She was hot, but by then we were both too tired and drunk to really enjoy it. Took me a whole weekend to recover too.

I'm very physically fit and have lots of energy, but I don't have that much mental energy to do so on a regular basis. I need 8-9h of sleep or else I'm useless for the rest of the day. I believe the MBTI test I've taken identifies me as half way between an INTJ and ENTJ (ambivert). Can go extrovert for a while but not sustainable.

I'm learning Giovonny's system now - esp his day game on college campus as I live & work near one as well. I'd rather get the bang early then get on with my day.

[Nomad77]

Think of yourself as a battery. Each of us is capable of carrying a different amount of current when fully charged. And just like a battery as we age that amount decreases. There is a difference between having energy and how you express it. A high energy individual may only be able to be that way for a short while before he uses up all of his energy. Regardless, once you use up all of your energy you need to recharge which means downtime. (Unless you use some drug, like coke, to push yourself. Even if you do you will crash eventually.)

Once you acknowledge that you only have a finite amount of energy in one charge the question really becomes how to use it most efficiently. If you are using up 80% of your energy at work that means you only have 20% left for chasing women. It's simply not enough for a SNL, in most cases. And this is the case with most guys, they simple don't have enough energy to do any kind of serious damage when they do go out. Imagine going to hunt lions with a knife and you only have 20% of your daily energy left? The lions will eat you for lunch. Add to the fact that American women now have become extremely masculine and your energy requirements to effectively deal with them becomes so much greater. What I am saying is that it is my belief that a big reason a lot of guys don't accomplish more with women is simply a lack of energy. And yes, some things can require more energy than others. For me, it takes twice as much energy to listen to a dumb girl than to dance with her.

[Scuba_Instructor]

I agree with all of this. I've internalised a lot of what I've learnt on here - but to me, chasing the laydeez in the UK just isn't worth the time, energy or effort.

As a wiser poster than me said on here - "the juice isn't worth the squeeze". I wish it wasn't this way, but it is.

[Bill]

There are so many factors which have to be taken into account like when the sun is shining one has more energy. Maybe it´s evolutionary it´s how the nature says that when sun is shining you don´t have to save energy as it won´t get cold so you can invest everything to get chics and everything.

Also morning routines are essential. There is no way for me if I am lazy in the morning to unlock my energy potential troughout the day. The body is a machine and one has to understand how it works.

[Nomad77]

(03-13-2014 05:47 AM)Scuba_Instructor Wrote:  

As a wiser poster than me said on here - "the juice isn't worth the squeeze". I wish it wasn't this way, but it is.

lol, that was me and I feel the same way about American girls - for the most part. But there are still some diamonds in the ruff.

[Nomad77]

I want to point out one more thing about energy. There are two types: mental and physical energy. You can have a lot of one type of and not much of the other and while they are related they are also different. If you lose most of one type it will affect the other type. Depending on your type of Game you may require more mental or physical energy.

[Bill]

(03-13-2014 07:08 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

I want to point out one more thing about energy. There are two types: mental and physical energy. You can have a lot of one type of and not much of the other and while they are related they are also different. If you lose most of one type it will affect the other type. Depending on your type of Game you may require more mental or physical energy.

I think mental energy has something to do with mirror neurons. If your neurons are energized you vibe with the others that´s why being ostracizeded hurts so much because it almost kills the mirror neurons as they don´t get impulses. Being able to make the neurons "dance" could be called motivation. When there is no enough stimula from the outside one tries to find it with other things like music, movies, games and art. So one can get at least a minimum of stimula.

Used in a good way art and stuff can prepare the neurons for the real thing. But if the environment don´t vibe with you things get messy.

[VincentVinturi]

Classic Nomad77 post. Good stuff!

And I'm 100% in agreement. Not only is it a question of general energy but also good hormone levels.

Frankly, I think the #1 concern for guys looking to improve their game at any stage is to lift heavy ass weights, get vitamin D and diet sorted, improve sleep and make sure their testosterone is as naturally high as they can get it given their circumstances.

You see some of these puny PUA guys talking a big game but it looks so incongruent. They look anemic and like they couldn't do a pull-up.

On the other hand, if you're naturally roidin' so to speak and you're feeling sharp, assertive, calm and horny as fuck, who even needs game? Game takes care of itself. I can't count how many times I've gotten laid just because I was horny as hell and absolutely refused to go home alone. To say nothing of LMR.

[Nomad77]

Thanks. True, a strong desire + lots of energy can get you very far in life with a lot of things.

[Vaun]

2013 I had several SNL's, new notches and several long nights to go with it. I was pushing fast to get wins, and started in June after I came across RVF. The wheels came off occasionally. This was the first year since my early 20's I lived like this, I am 38. Like others the day after a long night out and SNL I am wrecked the next day and need a day of recovery. Those nights included a lot of booze, out late 4am+ closing time, no sleep, often up when the sun comes up after a long day of work. I gained some weight, and it affected my work and some goals, and I spent probably 5x the money I could have.

I can continue like this, but its not conducive to a healthy lifestyle I want to live or sustainable for me. I have a new approach this year. Building up a harem of non-exclusive frequent relationships, up to 5 or 10 depending on my schedule. I will get these mostly by day game, and maybe a few by online if I can still tolerate paying for more wine for busted face online girls. I figure I can see up to 3 a week. And I am willing to play a longer game with them, 3-5 dates to build deep attraction on both sides, which always leads to better sex.

But as I have seen and done, once that level of deep attraction is attained, and good sex is applied, these types of relationships can last indefinitely, but not exclusively, as I am clear that is not what I want. Facing the exclusivity question is the challenge I will face. Do I want flings? Of course, I will always be on the hunt. By building this I see the benefits as; more flexible and accommodating women, who are highly invested in me if not in love, who will aid in my comfort, more sleep as we will more likely stay in, more predictability, and less time wasted skipping from date to date, or time wasted churning through online date uglies. Ultimately I will spend less time and money, sleep more, have better sex, and support my lifestyle.

[Nomad77]

This is what I normally do. The only problem I have here in the US is finding women I actually want to spend time with. It's very rare for me to find an American girl I actually enjoy spending any significant amount of time with much less one I feel any deep connection with. Not to mention, a lot of them are just plain nuts.

[shotgun]

After years of doing nightclub game exclusively, I'm transitioning to online game. I'm 31 and I don't have the energy I used to, to endure long nights out, cockblocking, bitchy attitudes, heavy drinking, day long hangovers, and money burning. I've always been a low energy kind of guy, so I figure this whole thing is even more draining for me than for the average guy.

Yesterday I got my first bang from online game ever, and while I still plan on doing night game once in a while, especially when travelling on vacation, it's no longer my preferred type of game. The ROI is just too low for a guy like me, all things considered.

[Nomad77]

A guy I have helped here in Miami recently went online and last week had 5 dates in 5 days. Now this is a reasonably good looking guy in his early 30s and he's not too picky about the women.

[Jestx]

An large American city is a clusterfuck to run night game unless you have some "exclusive rights" to the venue aka have a relationship with a bartender/owner. Bars are full of drunk chodes and packs of girls that won't let their friends leave them. Most of the attractive girls at these places spend more time checking their phones than talking to guys at the venue. It takes a HUGE amount of energy to grind through this on a nightly basis.

This is not an efficient game plan. It's why so many "average" dudes get blown out weekend after weekend. The efficient solution in my mind is too have warm leads in social circle or online game. Or have a "niche" hobby that naturally attracts a certain girl, whether that's a music scene or whatever.

[Distant Light]

I completely disagree, I've always heard this type of stuff BUT if feel if you genuinely enjoy being out meeting people, socializing and overall having a "memorable" life nothing feels like work or energy expended...

In 2012, my friend and I used to go hard, I still remember not sleeping for a whole weekend because it considered of day parties, night parties, after parties, sex, day parties, night parties, for 3 days straight. Back then, every week atleast 2x a week an amazing DJ was playing. Every weekend was day partying 3x a week. It was intense and by far one of the best years of my life.

When people talk about going out, women aren't even my motivation because I already know I'm going to meet people and shit is going t get crazy.

P.S...Whenever I talk about things unprofitable I mean its a waste of time/effort such as daygame for hours or going on dates. All an excessive activity that can be spent having a blast with friends, family in settings you genuinely enjoy.

[Travesty]

(03-17-2014 07:47 PM)Distant Light Wrote:  

I completely disagree, I've always heard this type of stuff BUT if feel if you genuinely enjoy being out meeting people, socializing and overall having a "memorable" life nothing feels like work or energy expended...

In 2012, my friend and I used to go hard, I still remember not sleeping for a whole weekend because it considered of day parties, night parties, after parties, sex, day parties, night parties, for 3 days straight. Back then, every week atleast 2x a week an amazing DJ was playing. Every weekend was day partying 3x a week. It was intense and by far one of the best years of my life.

When people talk about going out, women aren't even my motivation because I already know I'm going to meet people and shit is going t get crazy.

P.S...Whenever I talk about things unprofitable I mean its a waste of time/effort such as daygame for hours or going on dates. All an excessive activity that can be spent having a blast with friends, family in settings you genuinely enjoy.

I have heard/read this from you, McQueen, GManifesto, slubu etc... I see where you come from and where they all come from.

I think the type of breed to live this lifestyle is pretty extroverted, high energy, down to party multiple nights all nights in a row, with a mix of what I called Warrior Blood mixed in, meaning you enjoy all the intoxication and your body and mind handle it and recover it from it much better than the average guy.

I wish I had all these traits, it would be much more exciting way to game always in the fast lane all the time.

Truth is some weekends I only want to go out for 3 or 4 hours one night and I am done. Rarely do I want to pre-game early and go til close and after-party 3 nights in a row during an average work week. When I am on vacation? Fuck yeah always.

When I am facing a long work week and other personal responsibilities which most guys have, it is a challenge to go all tazmanian devil every weekend.

[Nomad77]

@Distant Light How old are you?

[sigmanomadwannabe]

This is why I'm trying to figure out how to get laid passively.

Krauser is a great example of someone who approaches women like it’s a full time job, yet his success rate is abysmal. This same phenomenon is admitted to by every honest PUA out there, Roosh included. My own experience is similar. I thought it was just me not being skilled enough at game, but apparently the pros have it no better. Cold approach takes a lot of time, work, and energy. Whether or not it's worth it is subjective.

And I also am an introvert who gets exhausted after a night out, especially when drinking is involved. I'm glad other people here are talking about being worthless from next day hangovers. I thought maybe it was just me, because most people only talk about the crazy night out, not the aftermath. I'm only in my mid-20's but still, it's just not worth it to me.

I’m wondering if there’s a better way. It's been discussed before but I'm trying to come up with a complete list of passive ways to get laid. Ways that still allow you to improve your life and chase your dreams.

For example, getting a job as a bartender will take up about as much time as constant approaching will, yet they seem to bang about 10x the girls. All the while making money. Not to mention improving socials skills, gaining further insights into humanity, and making connections.

This is just the start. What else passively gets you laid?

Musician/Comedian/Athlete/Performer
Dance/Yoga/Fitness/Surf instructor
Fashion/Shoes/Make-up/Jewelry
TV/Radio (fame)
Film (fame)
Public speaker (fame)
Volunteer
College prof (?)
Fraternity brother
Events where people dress up for no good reason (e.g., formals, fundraisers)
Pizza delivery/Plumber/Mailman (at least, portrayed this way in some “films”)

Anything else I’m missing?

I know it would potentially be a huge investment, but the rewards would be potentially not needing to do cold approaches anymore yet still get laid regularly. I believe it's worth it.

[Nomad77]

Without question, cold approaches takes the most work. As funny as it may sound online ads, like on craigslist, stating exactly what you are looking for can work. I also know a few guys that do well with online dating sites. Also using good looking game can work. If you are a decent looking guy you can just waiting to see which girls are into you and then approach only those girls. I have buddy that looks a little like Vin Diesel and that's basically his game. He just post up next to groups of girls when he goes out and see which one is checking him out.