[WanderingSoul]

(02-14-2014 12:44 AM)iamdegaussed Wrote:  

I really think his whole book and article title and everything else is basically trying to make us look bad.

Has anyone here read his book and can vouch for the stuff in it? Seems like he's trying to put out material that feminists and co. can legitimately call 'rape guides'

I have not read his book, but I really do not think that is what he's doing. I'm 99% sure of it.

[Sourcecode]

He has already been found guilty.

A man should be able to explain the crimes he is accused of.

And then choose how he wishes to die.

[VincentVinturi]

First of all, thanks for not banning me straight away and giving me a chance to reply.

I woke up, opened up the forum and saw this thread staring out at me. And my heart fucking sank.

So let me go point by point:

1. I don't have an account on PUAhate.

I have no idea how to prove this but Tuth, if you want my IP address or some other way for me to verify that I have absolutely nothing to do with that forum or this Dimitri guy, I'll be happy to furnish any and all information you need to definitively prove to you and the other RVF members that I don't even spend time reading that website, much less contributing.

I don't know who Dimitri is but this guy is obviously copy-pasting my posts onto their forum. And he has 6000+ posts. It would take somebody forever to make that many posts. It isn't me.

You also presented this thread as evidence against me:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-26900.html

But it was started by somebody named bodmon from Canada and reposted by Dimitri on PUAhate. So what does that even have to do with me? If anything, it shows this dude is ripping other people's contributions in addition to mine.

Like I said, any evidence you want me to provide, it's yours. I'll make screencapture videos, whatever you need. I'm NOT Dimitri. And if I ever meet Dimitry, I'm choking him the fuck out. Which leads to #2.

2. I don't talk shit about anybody if it isn't to their face.

Roosh included. I have the utmost respect for Roosh. What he's done, what he's been through and how he's handled himself along the way with humor and dignity.

The way that he and the members of this community rallied behind me with the whole 'no' means 'yes' / Sara C. Nelson business took me completely off guard and convinced me I'm among brothers.

I'm with McQueen 100%, disloyalty is worth a big ass whooping where I grew up. And if I'm talking shit to anybody, I'll be in their face talking it. Trust me on that. Talking crap behind people's back has no honor and my policy when people are talking crap about other people is to just keep my mouth shut.

3. The Eyelash Thread

Rio, thanks for your correct analysis. Rio's met me a few times so he knows who I am and what I'm about.

The eyelash thread wasn't trolling. I was 100% genuine.

Maybe it sounds a bit effeminate but it really makes a difference in the way your eyes look. After all, we have a no homo skin care thread. I get that it sounds a bit fruity but read some of the replies in that thread. I'm not the only one who's noticed this.


4. Not gay

Ali, I'm not gay bro. So don't call me gay. I love women. I'm bent on fucking more and more beautiful women all the time. Several members of this forum have seen me with my hands all over women. And I have x rated digital memories and home movies for those with any lingering doubts.

Yeah I shored a semi-pro in Thailand. Who hasn't? I don't see how that detracts from the dozens upon dozens of girls I've hooked up with through good game, charm, and a strong alpha dominance.

What I am is practical. If curling my eyelashes with my finger makes me appear more handsome then fuck it, I'll do it. I won't go so far as to use mascara or something like that. But little things count in the game. Your shoes, your skin, your physique, etc.

We all have to play to our strengths to get the best game results. I'm a fairly skinny dude who can't put on mass for the life of me no matter how heavy I lift. But I have a decent looking face so I grew my hair long and keep just enough scruff to look like an edgy musician type. Just making the best of what I got, no homo.


5. Self-promotion.

Here's the truth behind the 'no means yes' thing and the LMR book:

I originally put the book for sale on Amazon for $2.99 because you can get a high volume of downloads and some small percentage of those people will come back and leave a review on your Amazon book page.

Then once I had enough reviews, I was going to pull the book from Amazon, sell it from my own website at the original intended price and use the reviews I'd received in my sales copy.

Most cats just write fake, glowing testimonials from people who don't exist and use it in their sales copy. But I believe in what I teach because it comes from experience, so I'm doing everything legit, reviews included.

Once the book got pulled from Amazon, I started selling it on my own site. I don't know what the rules of self-promotion are but contributing on ROK, you're allowed to link to your stuff once in your post and in your author snippet. And that makes sense. Roosh incentivizes people by offering them a link and some traffic to their site so that they'll come and make quality posts on ROK.

As far as I can tell, it's just capitalism. I'm an internet marketer and businessman and I make no bones about that. I do promote myself and my work whenever I can. If I've overstepped on the self-promotion side of things, it wasn't my intention and I'll happily tone it down. Roosh you said you're writing some guidelines so hopefully we'll have something codified to avoid misunderstandings.

Any other points or things that look suspicious to any of you guys --- I'll be happy to address clarify. I love this forum, I love this community and I have nothing to hide.

[redbeard]

Seems legit.



I'd like to see some investigation into the puahate account. Could VV get "dimitri" in trouble for using his picture?

[soup]

I trust Tuthmosis' judgement.

The best thing about this thread is that it shows how much we all care about this thing.

It's clear that we spend a lot of time here.

Time is money.

Time is, in many ways, more important than money.

That said, information is info. If it works, it's possibly ROK worthy. If it doesn't, it will be ridiculed to the bottom of the heap.

This is a free-market of ideas.

One of the fears of the future internet is that it will become too insular. Without diversity of opinion, you are living in a house with recycled air.

How do we define masculinity? There are a lot of guys out there who have a dick and balls but don't act like men.

Masculinity is a force. It is the opposite of femininity.

This thread is proof that we are awake and care about our turf.

Sex is about balance. You seek out the thing that is opposite of you.

If you are rolling your eyelashes, then are you really a man?

Rolling is trolling.

[Snowplow]

(02-13-2014 11:21 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

What makes this very-very unlikely is that, when those threads at PUAHate were started, VincentVinturi was nothing here. He had very few posts to his name.* It seems unlikely a PUAHate poster would pick a newbie to steal his pictures, stalk his posts, and steal his content. That would like someone taking a name from page 18 of the member list at random. How many of those guys do you recognize?

*I just checked. He had just over 50 posts here when that "[Video] What's it like being a PUA's girlfriend?" thread showed up at PUAHate.

This part is very suspicious. VV doesn't address this.

[2Wycked]

The plot thickens.

I hope you are right, Vincent. All of us at ROK had to do alot of damage control and put our necks out there. Roosh and Tuthmosis -- in particular -- had to deal with shitloads of irascible females and incipient white knights. It was a virtual battlefield on Twitter for some time.

I don't doubt for one second Tuthmosis' uncanny sixth sense of smoking out trolls and haters, but I hope he misfired on this one simply because I don't want to believe that you trolled us this hard.

[soup]

Too much drama.

My rule this year is no drama.

Sounds like this Vincent guy is making drama. Kind of like how Dylan Farrow is drumming up attention.

[Bushido]

(02-14-2014 02:56 AM)soup Wrote:  

Sex is about balance. You seek out the thing that is opposite of you.

If you are rolling your eyelashes, then are you really a man?

Rolling is trolling.

A bit rich coming from the guy who started the androgynous anal thread

[Snowplow]

I didn't check and see if Tuth spotted this(I'm sure he did), but "Dimitri" also started this thread on 6/1/13 (http://puahate.com/showthread.php?t=74602) on puahate telling all of them to join here and troll. It also happens to be a month earlier that VV joined here. Getting a lay of the land I suppose, before telling folks how to set up multiple RVF accounts using hidemyass.com. still looking suspicious.

[WanderingSoul]

Why do they even give a fuck what we do? I don't get it.

[Christian McQueen]

The real question to ask is: when has Tuth ever been wrong about a troll?

I don't believe he ever has.

[2Wycked]

(02-14-2014 03:53 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

Why do they even give a fuck what we do? I don't get it.

My thread on them. Roosh wisely locked it to keep trolls from bumping it.

[Aliblahba]

(02-14-2014 03:29 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 02:56 AM)soup Wrote:  

Sex is about balance. You seek out the thing that is opposite of you.

If you are rolling your eyelashes, then are you really a man?

Rolling is trolling.

A bit rich coming from the guy who started the androgynous anal thread

That's when all this shit started.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-32613.html

Its like that thread opened up the doors for fruit trolls to tear up the forum. Next it was:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-32634-...#pid642955

Which led to:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-32864-...#pid649963

Feminine style. Now go one step further:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-33041.html

Now its ok to talk about rolling eyelashes. One anal androgynous starts and the whole forum goes rainbow brite.

Now it goes full circle with the source challenging masculine threads:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-33046-...#pid652697

I can't tell my friends about the forum when these topics get brought. They'll want to know why I'm hanging around a place that pontificates between the mucous difference in male/female anus. I'll be labeled a nancy and excommunicated. I hope the forum goes back to the way it was.

[soup]

(02-14-2014 03:29 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 02:56 AM)soup Wrote:  

Sex is about balance. You seek out the thing that is opposite of you.

If you are rolling your eyelashes, then are you really a man?

Rolling is trolling.

A bit rich coming from the guy who started the androgynous anal thread

I've never had sex with a man, and I haven't fucked any fleshy mucous tube via glory hole. Maybe there are guys here who have done that and fucked other guys.

I realize now how it could have been seen as a trolling thread and disgusting, and I apologize for that. I still think it brings up some important issues with game and also being able to tell the difference between real women vs. trannies as we move in to a society that is seems to be hell bent on blurring those lines.

I made that thread after seeing way too many trannies posting as women on OKC.

It got me thinking about the essentials of game: who's in control? That's what gets a woman's pussy wet- when you are in control. I've tried reversing that dynamic in the past and it has always sucked. The best sex I've had is when the girl exposes herself- she puts her heart on the table for me to eat.

It's tricky because only sluts do that for amateur players. A good player might fall in love harder because he thinks he deserves that more than than the lemming blue pill guys.

I'm starting to think that being alpha is more of a mode than permanent thing for most guys.

I think the best compromise for an alpha is to either be a complete playboy like that Rubio guy, or to have a girlfriend and still be fucking other girls.

Just to be clear: I'm not gay, and have never been turned on by even the idea of sexual contact with a man. I get pings of anger just thinking about it.

[soup]

Maybe Ali-b sees me as a threat to his masculinity.

That's amazing, because I've never seen him as a threat to mine.

I want Ali to add to my power with his knowledge. I'm always looking through his posts for insights.

[Czar]

(02-13-2014 09:03 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Tuthmosis warned me about Vincent in the past and I proceeded with a wait-and-see attitude. In hindsight this was a mistake because of damage he could have done down the line. I take responsibility for not acting more quickly, but honestly it wasn't until he posted about curling eyelashes to attract women that I finally realized he was trolling us.

The fact that you think people can do "damage" to you through innocuous trolling is more indicative of your hysteria and insecurity than anything else. I understand you're highly vulnerable financially and probably physically being your economic lifeline are poorly written "guides" to bullshitting your way into a third worlder's pants and you've kamikaze-swandived your reputation with egregious and crude trolling for pageviews. The only place you could even get by now is in a place where people don't speak English or use the internet much.

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I do feel a sense of personal regret for helping him against Huffington Post. Though he's not my friend, I watch out for those who are on my team. If any of you are attacked tomorrow by Jezebel, you can count on me for help. The fact that we all defended him when he was attacked, while his PUA Hate friends don't even have his back in spite of the fact that he's accumulated 6000 posts there, speaks volumes about the differences between these communities. It's no surprise that his hate of us stopped after he became a more active member here. RVF's love overcame PUA Hate's hate, and he wanted to set himself straight.

You're not "helping" people because you're a good dude. You're pretty awful as far as human beings go and the only reason you got involved was to gain attention for your site.

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Unfortunately, he could not tame his trolling addiction,

Wow, this has to be the height of delusion. Your entire online life is trolling the internet through farming and promoting the most egregious, provocative trash your (unpaid) cronies can shit out in list format. A classic case in psychological projection here, folks. Your target audience is actually feminists and blue-pilled folk you hope to piss off, which is why you package your bullshit in easily-digested lists.

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hence the eyelash troll thread he started today. I'm more betrayed that he would start such a garbage thread after I defended him on ROK than because he hated on me months ago on PUA Hate. I consider RVF an extension of my home, so I don't appreciate it when you shit on my rug.

Your forum isn't an extension of your home. It's a place where you manufacture consensus with hysteric levels of moderation as evidenced by the autistic level of devotion displayed by thread author and arch-lackey tuthmosis to witch hunt anybody he deems "suspicious." I bet you didn't even pay the tool for the viral articles he wrote for you. LOL.

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I'd caution people to blow this out of proportion.

Irony again. You're probably too dense to even see why.

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There is also discussion about self-promotion. I understand this is a growing concern. I will draft some guidelines about that soon.

Can't have competition now, can we? Gotta protect those book sales!

[TheSlayer]

The forum has been a little out of wack for the past couple of weeks yet mildly entertaining. I think this is what describes how I feel right now perfectly:

[Professor Fox]

[Agent 47]

Ooooo, this is getting juicy...

[Snowplow]

(02-14-2014 04:24 AM)Czar Wrote:  

(02-13-2014 09:03 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Tuthmosis warned me about Vincent in the past and I proceeded with a wait-and-see attitude. In hindsight this was a mistake because of damage he could have done down the line. I take responsibility for not acting more quickly, but honestly it wasn't until he posted about curling eyelashes to attract women that I finally realized he was trolling us.

The fact that you think people can do "damage" to you through innocuous trolling is more indicative of your hysteria and insecurity than anything else. I understand you're highly vulnerable financially and probably physically being your economic lifeline are poorly written "guides" to bullshitting your way into a third worlder's pants and you've kamikaze-swandived your reputation with egregious and crude trolling for pageviews. The only place you could even get by now is in a place where people don't speak English or use the internet much.

Quote:

I do feel a sense of personal regret for helping him against Huffington Post. Though he's not my friend, I watch out for those who are on my team. If any of you are attacked tomorrow by Jezebel, you can count on me for help. The fact that we all defended him when he was attacked, while his PUA Hate friends don't even have his back in spite of the fact that he's accumulated 6000 posts there, speaks volumes about the differences between these communities. It's no surprise that his hate of us stopped after he became a more active member here. RVF's love overcame PUA Hate's hate, and he wanted to set himself straight.

You're not "helping" people because you're a good dude. You're pretty awful as far as human beings go and the only reason you got involved was to gain attention for your site.

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Unfortunately, he could not tame his trolling addiction,

Wow, this has to be the height of delusion. Your entire online life is trolling the internet through farming and promoting the most egregious, provocative trash your (unpaid) cronies can shit out in list format. A classic case in psychological projection here, folks. Your target audience is actually feminists and blue-pilled folk you hope to piss off, which is why you package your bullshit in easily-digested lists.

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hence the eyelash troll thread he started today. I'm more betrayed that he would start such a garbage thread after I defended him on ROK than because he hated on me months ago on PUA Hate. I consider RVF an extension of my home, so I don't appreciate it when you shit on my rug.

Your forum isn't an extension of your home. It's a place where you manufacture consensus with hysteric levels of moderation as evidenced by the autistic level of devotion displayed by thread author and arch-lackey tuthmosis to witch hunt anybody he deems "suspicious." I bet you didn't even pay the tool for the viral articles he wrote for you. LOL.

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I'd caution people to blow this out of proportion.

Irony again. You're probably too dense to even see why.

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There is also discussion about self-promotion. I understand this is a growing concern. I will draft some guidelines about that soon.

Can't have competition now, can we? Gotta protect those book sales!

I think I smell a

[Professor Fox]

[2Wycked]

(02-14-2014 04:20 AM)soup Wrote:  

Ali-b sees me as a threat to his masculinity.

That's amazing, because I've never seen him as a threat to mine.

I want Ali to add to my power with his knowledge. I'm always looking through his posts for insights.

Let's not do this again, right?

There has been a lot of tension on the forum, lately. I get it, late winter depression as we all eagerly anticipate spring in a month.

soup and Aliblahba just need to meet in a neutral location (I suggest IRT's backyard) and duke this shit out. Maybe the headlining event could be el mech v. McQueen. I would rather see Tuthmosis v. IRT, but that's just me.

If Vincent truly is a troll or something not supportive of the forum's purposes, we shouldn't see this thread devolve into conflicts between high-rep members.

We are a diverse bunch, but our own idiosyncrasies shouldn't stand in the way of our ability to stand against a common enemy: Lindy West. And fat chicks. Fat chicks who wash down KFC with Natty Light. And bitches who don't take their socks off before you fuck them. That last point is unforgivable.

[KorbenDallas]

Vincent may have started out as a troll, but then ended up realizing he liked this community more.

Regarding the eyelashes thing and Vincent being a little

This is just a sign of the times. People getting screwed up growing up in America. I read Aliblahba's and thedude's posts recently about all the faggots they have been encountering in real life. Well, the Roosh forum attracts people who are masculine or who are in the process of trying to learn from men who are naturally masculine or who have thrown off the chains and become masculine.

I don't take any shit in real life. I fuck high quality feminine girls. The thing is 6 years ago, if you showed myself then what I am today I would have been in shock. Same if you showed someone I knew the man I have become. They would have a hard time believing the growth in character and the dominant confident behavior I have now would be in stark contrast to the person I was as a teenager.

I don't like talking about it, to anybody, but I was a huge beta in high school I didn't like who I was so I've worked my ass off, rejected mainstream society, and actually enjoy my life now. Roosh has written about undergoing the same search for truth and rejection of American indoctrination.

Granted some on this forum were never beta. Giovanny comes to mind. One of my best friends in life comes to mind. They have a hard time understanding people who were. Let me tell you, a lot of it comes from your parents doing everything in their power to hamper your development because of too much power in the household of the mother. That's my belief anyway.

I wasn't even that bad. I have good parents, simply slightly naive. I realize many guys have been fucked in the head way worse than I. Many, like the faggots thedude describes in LA will never recover.

I think Vincent is in the middle of the road. He doesn't even understand how talking about eyelashes is a faggot thing. As a beta in high school if some guy was all about his eyelashes, even then, I would have recoiled in disgust. Even beta guys and feminist girls have natural disgust reactions to effeminate males and ugly obese women.




This forum should not be just about guys who have made it in my opinion. Yes, we need to set guys straight when they do faggoty shit or engage in beta bitch behavior. But also, and I'm talking to Aliblahbla here, remember this forum will attract guys who may currently be beta. These are some guys who may need help the most in learning how to develop into men. Yes, in real life, your friends would question you for hanging around some of the guys that post here because they would still have many characteristics that quite simply are disgusting. Pedestalizing women, bad speech habits, nervous body language, etc. But this forum, although many people become friends in real life, is about more than your boys that you tear up the bar with on Saturday night. It's about a male space for everybody who is willing to improve their lives. Current clueless betas included. People can change. Just as long as they are genuine and aren't trolls and really want to improve themselves, everybody should be welcome. This isn't high school.



[/b]Having said all that, I think Vincent should have his ROK column suspended, maybe suspended here for a while, but not banned. Rio vouches for him. The evidence of the link between him and that other site is pretty damning. Only the title of his ROK article was trollish. The content isn't any much difference than some of the stuff Roosh has written in Bang. It certainly is concerning the level of hate feminists and mangina's harbor for "red pill" men. Men, especially Tuth and others who write for ROK. be careful out there. Even though feminists death threats can be taken lightly they truly do want you dead. Some frustrated beta might just try and hurt you. Roosh and Tuth, keep up the good work patrolling the forum. It's a tough job and with the explosion of popularity in ROK and this site it is a fact that the attacks will get more underhanded and desperate. [/b]

[KorbenDallas]

Actually the internet is huge in Eastern Europe Czar and most young people know english.

The dehumanization of people outside the anglosphere by feminists like Czar disgusts me. Because fat, selfish, American women glued to their iphone and facebook accounts for 5 hours of the day are the height of civilization.

And Poland "third world"? Give me a fucking break. Get the fuck outta here.