[Duke Castile]

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Ali's just doing the "my way is the only way" trolling job.

Hey Ali, is getting good at game beta too?

Or how about lifting weights so you will be more appealing to girls?

Getting famous?

Or should we all just become blacked out drunk vets and then the girls will come flying at us?
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Soup, I think that's a little much.

Ali does a good job of not crossing the line with trolling and most members find his antics to be funny even if they don't agree with what he says.

The fact is, most people think he brings value to the forum, and I will say he has MET a lot of members and helped them anyway he could which is more than you can say.

In addition, he's come up with a lot of original ideas, I haven't heard you say a single thing that wasn't recycled.

Unless you want to count that asshole thread, which I'd rather just forget about.

[soup]

I don't mind if he had original ideas that help guys- I can't think of any that I've read, it's the constant attitude that his way is the only way to do it, and he constantly targets me.

I try to share what I can if I think it's going to help guys. I've posted some original strategies.. I just made a thread about getting girls offline to come to your home. I'm always looking for new ways to improve and I want everyone here to get better as well.

There are a lot guys that would prefer to be anonymous on here. I've offered to meet up. I have my reasons for staying anonymous- look how they went after Roosh.

Ali- a lot of my family has served and I have respect for vets. Don't try to paint me as a soldier hating hippie.

You are constantly trying to say shit about me that isn't true. Why do you bother? What's the point? First you posted that I was fuzzy hat wearing Mystery type PUA. Then you say that I'm a hipster.

What's up? Is this jealousy?

The only other option is trolling.

[Norset]

I don't think anyone mention it before but Mystery sinned to masculinity far more than just curling eyelashes. And we can disagree with his style, and the old PUA stuff, but one has to give credit where credit is due. And his mission was inherently extremely masculine (conquest using a new technology).

What women find attractive is not necessarily purely masculine traits. The shape of the male skull, with a stronger brow and jaw, is there to protect the mouth and cranium from impact in combat. Not primarily to attract mates. Also remember that even though the "sexy son" hypothesis goes a long way to explain women's infatuation with the top 10%, there is a also a 50% chance that the offspring will be a girl. If the dad has very masculine facial characteristics, then the girl will most likely be very ugly (remember that facial characteristics are largely inherited from dad, in order for fathers to be able to identify their own offspring and not commit infanticide).

On the other hand, if one spends excessive time and mental effort on this type of "feminine attractiveness" one might be shooting oneself in the foot since the behavior itself is inherently submissive and does not fall under "go out and conquer" which is hands-down the most attractive male trait. Thus the instant revulsion felt by some against this type of behavior.

So the issue is not clear-cut. To our dismay society is indeed becoming more feminine due the absence of real war (where everyone feels it, not just the guys shipping over to the combat zone) and hunger. Women forget why they need men, and men forget what being a man means. And so you have to make the decision, do you game the current environment and do what works, or do you stick to principles? A classic case of "what is good for the individual is not good for society..."

[PoosyWrecker]

(02-15-2014 04:27 PM)soup Wrote:  

I don't mind if he had original ideas that help guys- I can't think of any that I've read, it's the constant attitude that his way is the only way to do it, and he constantly targets me.

You are constantly trying to say shit about me that isn't true. Why do you bother? What's the point? First you posted that I was fuzzy hat wearing Mystery type PUA. Then you say that I'm a hipster.

What's up? Is this jealousy?

The only other option is trolling.

To me it reads like just typical locker room / barracks messing around.

[soup]

(02-15-2014 05:20 PM)PoosyWrecker Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 04:27 PM)soup Wrote:  

I don't mind if he had original ideas that help guys- I can't think of any that I've read, it's the constant attitude that his way is the only way to do it, and he constantly targets me.

You are constantly trying to say shit about me that isn't true. Why do you bother? What's the point? First you posted that I was fuzzy hat wearing Mystery type PUA. Then you say that I'm a hipster.

What's up? Is this jealousy?

The only other option is trolling.

To me it reads like just typical locker room / barracks messing around.

I hope so. Maybe I'm stupid for letting him troll me.

[All or Nothing]

(02-15-2014 04:27 PM)soup Wrote:  

I try to share what I can if I think it's going to help guys. I've posted some original strategies.. I just made a thread about getting girls offline to come to your home. I'm always looking for new ways to improve and I want everyone here to get better as well.

That thread was literally a carbon copy of BlurredSevens thread: Zero Date Bangs: Reduce Your Variables, Bang More Girls.

You literally summarized his post, changed some of the wording, then claimed it as your own.

I do think you bring value to this forum, and you have made a strong effort to keep the Game section of the forum alive. I commend that.

On the other hand, when you take other people's ideas then present them as your own, I find that to be highly dishonest and disrespectful.

(02-15-2014 04:58 PM)Norset Wrote:  

What women find attractive is not necessarily purely masculine traits. The shape of the male skull, with a stronger brow and jaw, is there to protect the mouth and cranium from impact in combat. Not primarily to attract mates. Also remember that even though the "sexy son" hypothesis goes a long way to explain women's infatuation with the top 10%, there is a also a 50% chance that the offspring will be a girl. If the dad has very masculine facial characteristics, then the girl will most likely be very ugly (remember that facial characteristics are largely inherited from dad, in order for fathers to be able to identify their own offspring and not commit infanticide).

The stronger brow and jaw are also found to be highly attractive features on a man. The vast majority of quintessential pretty boys have a cut, square jawline with a protruding brow along with deep set eyes.

Simply put masculine facial features are more attractive to women.

Also, you ignored the effect that testosterone has on facial features. Men have protruding brows and wide faces due to high levels of testosterone being released in both the womb, and during puberty permanently altering the man's face making it more masculine. Whereas, women are not exposed to anywhere near the level of testosterone that men are in the womb, and during puberty.

This means that a man with masculine features will not necessarily have female offspring with masculine features.

I stand by the idea that the more masculine you are, the more attractive you will be overall.

[Veloce]

I remember for a time when "guyliner" and male makeup was supposed to be the new thing.

I saw it a few times. Never saw the guys with good looking girls.

There's nothing wrong with peacocking here and there, and I've seen plenty of examples of peacocking dudes with smoking hot chicks. In fact, most of the time I see 9+ girls with guys, the guy is peacocking on some level.

But male makeup has not been part of that. If that shit couldn't catch on in L.A., I think it's safe to say we can let that one molder away into obscurity.

You guys talking about glam rockers...girls don't dig rock stars because they permed their hair or are wearing makeup, they dig them because they're fuckin rock stars. Not everyone can pull off the Billie Joe Armstrong look. Incidentally, he's admitted to being bisexual, which we all know what it means when a guy says he's bi...

[Norset]

(02-15-2014 05:51 PM)All or Nothing Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 04:58 PM)Norset Wrote:  

What women find attractive is not necessarily purely masculine traits. The shape of the male skull, with a stronger brow and jaw, is there to protect the mouth and cranium from impact in combat. Not primarily to attract mates. Also remember that even though the "sexy son" hypothesis goes a long way to explain women's infatuation with the top 10%, there is a also a 50% chance that the offspring will be a girl. If the dad has very masculine facial characteristics, then the girl will most likely be very ugly (remember that facial characteristics are largely inherited from dad, in order for fathers to be able to identify their own offspring and not commit infanticide).

The stronger brow and jaw are also found to be highly attractive features on a man. The vast majority of quintessential pretty boys have a cut, square jawline with a protruding brow along with deep set eyes.

Simply put masculine facial features are more attractive to women.

Also, you ignored the effect that testosterone has on facial features. Men have protruding brows and wide faces due to high levels of testosterone being released in both the womb, and during puberty permanently altering the man's face making it more masculine. Whereas, women are not exposed to anywhere near the level of testosterone that men are in the womb, and during puberty.

This means that a man with masculine features will not necessarily have female offspring with masculine features.

I stand by the idea that the more masculine you are, the more attractive you will be overall.

Valid point; I neglected the effect of womb T.

I did not say masculine facial features are not attractive though, but that there is some finesse to it: You can be even more overall attractive with a touch of femininity. Maybe "very ugly" in reference to a girl baby is too much. But I still stand by the inherent shape of the skull also being genetic and its implications. I've met plenty of girls with a huge jaw and a large brow, and time after time if I see a picture of their dad it's the same features.. Manly looking daughters are bad for the family business.

[soup]

[quote] (02-15-2014 05:51 PM)All or Nothing Wrote:  

[quote='soup' pid='654883' dateline='1392499654']
I try to share what I can if I think it's going to help guys. I've posted some original strategies.. I just made a thread about getting girls offline to come to your home. I'm always looking for new ways to improve and I want everyone here to get better as well.[/quote]

That thread was literally a carbon copy of BlurredSevens thread: Zero Date Bangs: Reduce Your Variables, Bang More Girls.

You literally summarized his post, changed some of the wording, then claimed it as your own.

I do think you bring value to this forum, and you have made a strong effort to keep the Game section of the forum alive. I commend that.

On the other hand, when you take other people's ideas then present them as your own, I find that to be highly dishonest and disrespectful.


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Are you joking?

I've never seen that awesome thread. Thanks for posting it. It's a lot like mine, yes, but that doesn't mean I plagiarized it. I'd been doing that kind of thing for sometime now- getting girls to come straight to my place without a date. I waited until I had a more solid info on what I was doing to make my thread.

Also, I've no MO to plagiarize. I'm not selling anything. There's a lot of stuff we talk about on here that was already discussed over a decade ago. For all the hate on PUAs, a great deal of the methodology we discuss was actually hashed out in the past. Some guys write about it with their own slant or slight updates.

When I post something here, I want to get feedback on what I'm doing and see if anybody has tweaks that can improve it. That's the reason I'd start a thread like that.

It's coincidence- don't be paranoid. Also, I never claim originality in any of things I'm doing with game, and I've stated before that I'm RVF baby- everything I do with my game was pretty much learned by watching other guys or reading blogs and posts.

BTW, Blurred Sevens is a great poster. I don't have any disrespect for him.

[The Lizard of Oz]

@Norset, my friends and I call it "Large Father Syndrome". Nothing more deadly to a girl's looks.

[MidWest]

(02-13-2014 06:37 PM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

I'm not hating on the guy. I got long natural eye lashes anyway an have had girls ask me if I was wearing mascara. The way they acted towards me when they accused me of this I could tell they thought it was hot. Used to make me think maybe I should start wearing mascara (never did tho)... cept on the weekends.... and sometimes on Mondays.... and twice on Wednesdays.

If it works for him that's great. I am not gonna think hes less of a man cause he twirls his eye lashes.. AND BANGS CHICKS

Actually I too have long natural eye lashes as well and yeah ive gotten compliments on my eyelashes too by many girls in the past. I recall a girl once say to me "OMG you've got eyelashes that girls will kill to have" and like you said many of them thought it was hot. It doesn't mean im going to twirl my eyelashes though or wear mascara, that's taking it a little too far, but nothing wrong with having big eye lashes.

[Sombro]

(02-15-2014 06:18 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

Actually I too have long natural eye lashes as well and yeah ive gotten compliments on my eyelashes too by many girls in the past. I recall a girl once say to me "OMG you've got eyelashes that girls will kill to have" and like you said many of them thought it was hot. It doesn't mean im going to twirl my eyelashes though or wear mascara, that's taking it a little too far, but nothing wrong with having big eye lashes.

Same here. Caught shit for it as a kid, but as an adult it's an asset.
I've had more than one woman say through gritted teeth, "I want your eyelashes."

[eradicator]

(02-15-2014 05:51 PM)All or Nothing Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 04:27 PM)soup Wrote:  

I try to share what I can if I think it's going to help guys. I've posted some original strategies.. I just made a thread about getting girls offline to come to your home. I'm always looking for new ways to improve and I want everyone here to get better as well.

That thread was literally a carbon copy of BlurredSevens thread: Zero Date Bangs: Reduce Your Variables, Bang More Girls.

You literally summarized his post, changed some of the wording, then claimed it as your own.

I do think you bring value to this forum, and you have made a strong effort to keep the Game section of the forum alive. I commend that.

On the other hand, when you take other people's ideas then present them as your own, I find that to be highly dishonest and disrespectful.

(02-15-2014 04:58 PM)Norset Wrote:  

What women find attractive is not necessarily purely masculine traits. The shape of the male skull, with a stronger brow and jaw, is there to protect the mouth and cranium from impact in combat. Not primarily to attract mates. Also remember that even though the "sexy son" hypothesis goes a long way to explain women's infatuation with the top 10%, there is a also a 50% chance that the offspring will be a girl. If the dad has very masculine facial characteristics, then the girl will most likely be very ugly (remember that facial characteristics are largely inherited from dad, in order for fathers to be able to identify their own offspring and not commit infanticide).

The stronger brow and jaw are also found to be highly attractive features on a man. The vast majority of quintessential pretty boys have a cut, square jawline with a protruding brow along with deep set eyes.

Simply put masculine facial features are more attractive to women.

Also, you ignored the effect that testosterone has on facial features. Men have protruding brows and wide faces due to high levels of testosterone being released in both the womb, and during puberty permanently altering the man's face making it more masculine. Whereas, women are not exposed to anywhere near the level of testosterone that men are in the womb, and during puberty.

This means that a man with masculine features will not necessarily have female offspring with masculine features.

I stand by the idea that the more masculine you are, the more attractive you will be overall.

hang on, I read both their threads, and I don't necessarily see soup as stealing ideas, the tinder app is still new(maybe a year old, if that), and it is only natural that some guys will be using similar or even identical tactics on their own and have the same idea at the same time.

And I think that is the case here.

And oddly, I have had women express jealousy at me having long eyelashes. That is not something I would start a thread about here though.

[All or Nothing]

(02-15-2014 06:04 PM)soup Wrote:  

It's coincidence- don't be paranoid.

Fair enough. I do have a tendency towards paranoia.

(02-16-2014 01:04 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

hang on, I read both their threads, and I don't necessarily see soup as stealing ideas, the tinder app is still new(maybe a year old, if that), and it is only natural that some guys will be using similar or even identical tactics on their own and have the same idea at the same time.

And I think that is the case here.

Yeah, again it is probably just me being .

[soup]

(02-16-2014 01:43 PM)All or Nothing Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 06:04 PM)soup Wrote:  

It's coincidence- don't be paranoid.

Fair enough. I do have a tendency towards paranoia.

(02-16-2014 01:04 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

hang on, I read both their threads, and I don't necessarily see soup as stealing ideas, the tinder app is still new(maybe a year old, if that), and it is only natural that some guys will be using similar or even identical tactics on their own and have the same idea at the same time.

And I think that is the case here.

Yeah, again it is probably just me being .

All good

[Noah Ramone]

If we're being rational, whatever gives you a noticeable improvement in results is good practice - for you.

It's all down to the individual though and depends on the type of girl you want to bang vs who you want to be as a person.