[durangotang]

(02-03-2014 05:43 PM)Blick Mang Wrote:  

It's interesting how you can identify so many similar thought patterns between ideologues on so many different issues.
...

When you analyze the thought processes behind 'truthers' it's nearly identical to those of followers of world religions. Because corruption exists, the most logical conclusion for them is that conspiracy dictates EVERY event, rather than only SOME events.

Lol.

Perhaps you would be interested in Dr. Steve Pieczenik, who served the presidential administrations of Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush in the capacity of deputy assistant secretary. Pieczenik was deputy assistant secretary of state under Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance and James Baker.

Pieczenik is a Harvard University-trained psychiatrist and has a doctorate in international relations from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). Pieczenik received a full scholarship to Cornell University at the age of 16. In 1964, Pieczenik claims he received a B.A. degree in Pre-Medicine and Psychology from Cornell, later attending Cornell University Medical College. He attained a PhD in international relations from MIT while studying at Harvard Medical School. Pieczenik claims to be the first psychiatrist ever to receive a PhD focusing on international relations.

While doing his psychiatric residency at Harvard, he was awarded the Harry E. Solomon award for his paper entitled "The hierarchy of ego-defense mechanisms in foreign policy decision making."

In 1974, Pieczenik joined the U.S. State Department as a consultant to restructure its Office for the Prevention of Terrorism.

Pieczenik is fluent in five languages including Russian, Spanish and French.

Check out his Wikipedia page, his accomplishments in the field are so lengthy and impressive that it would take up nearly the entire page to list them all.

What does he have to say about 911?

[Double Salad]

Here's a little peak into the real, mundane, matrix.

What you're seeing, are news anchors (talking heads) reading their script and doing their job. They problem is that they were reading the part of the script that hadn't happened. Later, someone at control figured out what was going on and cut the feed.

I'm not going to argue with anyone, I'm passed the point of trying to convince people. I'll just leave a few bullet points to consider:

- NORAD usually shoots these planes down, but there was a drill going on for the exact same scenario (see: London bombings)

- The twin towers fell at the rate of freefall (evidence of thermate & satellite imagery of the molten metal in the foundation)

- Bush & Bin Laden family business ties into the oil industry

- Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote about the future of the Middle East in the 'Grand Chessboard'. He operates in the 'parallel government', outside of the exoteric dialectic of politics.

- meh

[cardguy]

The BBC issued a response to these allegations. Although surprisingly it is a pretty weak one.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/20...iracy.html

[durangotang]

How about Larry Silverstein.

In 1980, Silverstein won a bid from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey to construct 7 World Trade Center, to the north of the World Trade Center site. Silverstein was interested in acquiring the entire World Trade Center complex, and put in a bid when the Port Authority put it up for lease in 2000. Silverstein won the bid when a deal between the initial winner and the Port Authority fell through, and he signed the lease on July 24, 2001.

Here is Larry Silverstein on WTC 7:

Here's a nice little Larry Silverstein headline:

Owner of World Trade Center is trying to sue airlines for BILLIONS for 9/11 attacks... even though he was already paid $5billion in insurance

[svenski7]

Truthers don't upset me. They generally just get themselves worked up and are ignored by 99% of the population. Just like birthers, they are people who feel the need to stand out, be different and all-around revolutionary for attention.

Just like girls with Skrillex haircuts.

I don't support them but I would fight and die for their Constitutional Right to dissent.

There is no doubt that whether intentional or not, the events that day set in motion a degradation of our civil liberties and at least one false flag war with catastrophic financial and human consequences.

On that note, I demand an investigation of the events of Pearl Harbor. Why do you guys so blindly accept the official report??!!

Oh wait, there's video footage from separate sources showing exactly the same thing. No fucking shit.

[soup]

If tower 7 collapsed due to demolition, there would be audible sound of explosives going off. I know people that went down to the site that afternoon to help out- my own father did. Nobody said they heard any kinds of explosions.

Also, the impact from the planes and the towers collapsing was equivalent to a small nuke going off. There were earthquake after shocks in NYC that I could feel in Brooklyn in the couple of weeks that followed.

I remember two- I was in my bed at one. The next I was at my friends house and the whole building started shaking like crazy. It was documented at the time.

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I have friends who stayed overnight that night and camped out in what was the Barney's underneath the world trade center. They said the mob was there carting off steel on the night of the attack.

[Laurifer]

(02-03-2014 02:46 PM)Kickb Wrote:  

Obmas making every coumtry pissed at the US on purpose. A true world war will break out, Obama will declare himself dictator and rule the US for the foreseeable future.

Believe it.

[Walderschmidt]

(02-03-2014 07:46 PM)Laurifer Wrote:  

Got an actual rebuttal besides overused memes?

Wald

[Laurifer]

(02-03-2014 07:47 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 07:46 PM)Laurifer Wrote:  

Got an actual rebuttal besides overused memes?

Wald

Just trying to encourage him to think a little bit about the absurdity of that statement.

As if the entire nation would blindly follow Obama's declaration that he is a dictator. The entirety of rural America would be heading to DC in the back of pick ups, although congress and the judiciary would have impeached his ass before pen went to paper. This is impossible on so many levels. Heard the same bull shit about George Bush.

[MikeCF]

People used to say it was a conspiracy theory that the NSA was listening in on all of your phone calls and reading your emails.

[Billy Chubbs]

The only conspiracy around 9/11 that I give even slightly plausibility to is that the US Airforce may have shot down the airliner over Pennsylvania, and that they invented the whole 'Let's Rock' story in order to give a tragic day a single bright moment. Plus it'd be pretty goddamn hard for the US government to tell the people that they had to shoot down a plane full of American citizens in order to stop it from hitting the White House or whatever the terrorists intended target was.

[Slim Shady]

I have a question. When did you guys first hear about all the NSA shit? I'm assuming this past summer/fall when the Snowden stuff went down? I ask because I remember reading all this stuff, and about your names are put on lists for your entire ife w/o evidence, just on search histories or hunches, 6 YEARS ago.

[BIGINJAPAN]

Is there any pilots on the forum who have flown 747's or 757's ? Can you please explain to the " red pill men " on this forum how implausible it is to fly planes into buildings at sea level ? Or the utter ridiculousness of hitting a 5 story building with an airplane when you have a couple months of lessons flying single engine planes ?

[kosko]

(02-03-2014 07:42 PM)soup Wrote:  

If tower 7 collapsed due to demolition, there would be audible sound of explosives going off. I know people that went down to the site that afternoon to help out- my own father did. Nobody said they heard any kinds of explosions.

Also, the impact from the planes and the towers collapsing was equivalent to a small nuke going off. There were earthquake after shocks in NYC that I could feel in Brooklyn in the couple of weeks that followed.

I remember two- I was in my bed at one. The next I was at my friends house and the whole building started shaking like crazy. It was documented at the time.

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I have friends who stayed overnight that night and camped out in what was the Barney's underneath the world trade center. They said the mob was there carting off steel on the night of the attack.

The firefighters in response to the fires in WTC 7 heard blasts. They were barred from providing any official testimony, but in the heat of the moment when interviewed that's what they said they heard.

I'm not sure what people are auguring about. The official story is so full of fuking holes and makes zero sense. Learn to reject that and then you work to build you own conclusions, if you believe h official story then not sure what else to tell folks. Americans are heavily indoctrinated in the 9/11 official narrative, most foreigners smell the bullshit, what was presented makes very little sense.

Maybe we can branch out and look at Bin Laden and his mythical story. No body on proof of his supposed killing when he was supposedly responsible for the most gruesome attack on American civilians since the days or colonial wars with British and Spanish. They had no qualms parading Saddam's killing and cold courpse on TV but yet they have Bin Laden the benefit of a proper Muslim burial. Yet.. Gaddafi they let rot in a fridge for two weeks and would not give his courpse to his family. It's all fuking laughable. The Govt tells people to jump and they jump.

They provided more respect to Bin Ladens sea body then they did to JFK. His autopsy photos were leaked at the displeasure of the public. Hungry for a story the press didn't care. Yet they provided Bin Laden such respect when he was painted as a mastermind whom killed 3000 Americans. How can people be so dense.

Strait up emotional judgement clouding people from thinking critically.

[Slim Shady]

Isn't it the height of irony when a 9/11 conspiracy theorist, one who also would claim that the increased transgressions on out liberties for "security" are a sham, could despite the elevated security, TSA rails, sniffing dogs, and absolute show-off of police power at the Super Bowl, just walk right up to the podium?

[j r]

(02-03-2014 08:34 PM)kosko Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 07:42 PM)soup Wrote:  

If tower 7 collapsed due to demolition, there would be audible sound of explosives going off. I know people that went down to the site that afternoon to help out- my own father did. Nobody said they heard any kinds of explosions.

Also, the impact from the planes and the towers collapsing was equivalent to a small nuke going off. There were earthquake after shocks in NYC that I could feel in Brooklyn in the couple of weeks that followed.

I remember two- I was in my bed at one. The next I was at my friends house and the whole building started shaking like crazy. It was documented at the time.

---

I have friends who stayed overnight that night and camped out in what was the Barney's underneath the world trade center. They said the mob was there carting off steel on the night of the attack.

The firefighters in response to the fires in WTC 7 heard blasts. They were barred from providing any official testimony, but in the heat of the moment when interviewed that's what they said they heard.

I'm not sure what people are auguring about. The official story is so full of fuking holes and makes zero sense. Learn to reject that and then you work to build you own conclusions, if you believe h official story then not sure what else to tell folks. Americans are heavily indoctrinated in the 9/11 official narrative, most foreigners smell the bullshit, what was presented makes very little sense.

Maybe we can branch out and look at Bin Laden and his mythical story. No body on proof of his supposed killing when he was supposedly responsible for the most gruesome attack on American civilians since the days or colonial wars with British and Spanish. They had no qualms parading Saddam's killing and cold courpse on TV but yet they have Bin Laden the benefit of a proper Muslim burial. Yet.. Gaddafi they let rot in a fridge for two weeks and would not give his courpse to his family. It's all fuking laughable. The Govt tells people to jump and they jump.

They provided more respect to Bin Ladens sea body then they did to JFK. His autopsy photos were leaked at the displeasure of the public. Hungry for a story the press didn't care. Yet they provided Bin Laden such respect when he was painted as a mastermind whom killed 3000 Americans. How can people be so dense.

Strait up emotional judgement clouding people from thinking critically.

If the case against the official version of 9/11 is so strong, why can't you make it without all the ad hominem?

[vinman]

(02-03-2014 08:30 PM)Slim Shady Wrote:  

I have a question. When did you guys first hear about all the NSA shit? I'm assuming this past summer/fall when the Snowden stuff went down? I ask because I remember reading all this stuff, and about your names are put on lists for your entire ife w/o evidence, just on search histories or hunches, 6 YEARS ago.

I first heard about the NSA from friends that worked Army intel back in the 80's. The were talking about projects that gobble up Signal Intelligence. We were friends and they never told me exactly what they did. They worked in an area in Hawaii called Kunia. It was based inside a freakin mountain like Dr. Evil's lair.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunia_Regio...ons_Center

[Kickb]

(02-03-2014 07:46 PM)Laurifer Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 02:46 PM)Kickb Wrote:  

Obmas making every coumtry pissed at the US on purpose. A true world war will break out, Obama will declare himself dictator and rule the US for the foreseeable future.

Believe it.

   

[speakeasy]

[Rutting Elephant]

This is the most extensive resource I know of for studying 9-11. It's a timeline stretching decades before the attacks.
http://www.historycommons.org/project.js...11_project
Everything is footnoted so you can evaluate sources. There was a lot of crazy shit going on that day and the weeks leading up to it. So many side stories I might have heard about briefly then forgot. Just a sample from searching "Mossad":

3:56 p.m. September 11, 2001: Five Apparent Israeli Spies Arrested for Puzzling Behavior at Time of First WTC Attack
The white van used by five Israeli agents as they were leaving New York on 9/11.
Five Israelis are arrested for “puzzling behavior” related to the WTC attacks. Shortly after an FBI lookout bulletin was issued for a van with the words “Urban Moving Systems” written on the side, officers with the East Rutherford Police Department in New Jersey stop the van after matching the license plate number with the one given in the bulletin. According to the police report, Officer Scott DeCarlo and Sgt. Dennis Rivelli approach the van and demand the driver exit the vehicle. The driver, Sivan Kurzberg, does not obey after being asked several more times, so the police physically remove Kurzberg and four other men from the van and handcuff them. They have not been told the reasons for their arrest, but Kurzberg tells them, “We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.” Again before the police have made any mention of the 9/11 attacks, another one of the arrested men says, “[W]e were on the West Side Highway in New York City during the incident.” In fact, it will later be determined they were on the roof of a building at Liberty State Park, watching and videotaping the first crash into the WTC (see Shortly After 8:46 a.m. September 11, 2001). [BERGEN RECORD, 9/12/2001; HA'ARETZ, 9/17/2001; COUNTERPUNCH, 2/7/2007] The FBI and additional police quickly arrive. They shut down the section of Route 3 in East Rutherford where the van was stopped and evacuate a nearby hotel as a security precaution. [BERGEN RECORD, 9/12/2001] One man is found with $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock, another has two foreign passports on him, and a box cutter is found in the van. [ABC NEWS, 6/21/2002] Another has pictures of the men standing with the burning wreckage of the WTC in the background. [FORWARD, 3/15/2002] All five identify themselves as Israeli citizens and claim to be working for the New Jersey-based Urban Moving Systems company. In addition to the driver Sivan Kurzberg, the others are identified as Paul Kurzberg (Sivan’s brother), Oded Ellner, Omer Marmari, and Yaron Shmuel. The men are detained but not charged. [FORWARD, 3/15/2002; ABC NEWS, 6/21/2002] The next day it will be reported that “bomb-sniffing dogs reacted as if they had detected explosives.” An investigator high up in the Bergen County law enforcement hierarchy will say in 2006, “There are maps of the city in the car with certain places highlighted…. It looked like they’re hooked in with this [referring to the 9/11 attacks]. It looked like they knew what was going to happen.…It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park.” [BERGEN RECORD, 9/12/2001] The FBI will later conclude at least two of the five are Mossad agents and that all were on a Mossad surveillance mission. The FBI interrogates them for weeks. [FORWARD, 3/15/2002] They are held on immigration violation charges, but will be released 71 days later (see November 20, 2001). [ABC NEWS, 6/21/2002]

[big poppa]

If the US government weren't directly responsible, they at least knew about the events before they transpired.

Same as the Boston bombings.

[svenski7]

Waldersmidt Wrote:

Got an actual rebuttal besides overused memes?

Wald

(02-03-2014 03:01 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  

I don't know if Obama will be the one to do that, but for sure he seems to be doing his best to pave the way.

Wald

Can you provide us more information about why you think that???

danke

[Tytalus]

(02-03-2014 06:09 PM)jaakkeli Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 05:28 PM)Candlejack Wrote:  

It doesn't even make sense from a terrorists point of view. If they wanted to start a war, why did they go for the big hoolywood style spectacular then sit back knowing that America and her allies will retaliate with hell, fire and brimstone and all we have is a few stinger missiles and ak-47s? What did they gain?

What did they gain? Are you fucking kidding?

The terrorists lost 20 men and maybe tens of thousands of dollars to pull it all off. The damage they inflicted was 6000 dead and billions of dollars worth of destruction and lost revenues. 9/11 has to go down in history as one of the most successful (para)military actions in history. I can't think of any single event where so much damage has been inflicted with such a small cost.

And that's not counting the thousands of men and billions of dollars that America has lost in the wars that followed - wars that were often fought against forces (like Saddam Hussein's) that the terrorists would have considered enemies, a double benefit for them.

I think the closest thing I've heard of in the last decade was this one:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/...ghan-base/

15 guys blew up 6 marine harriers. $200 million of damage.

[birdie num num]

(02-03-2014 01:09 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

You would also think that someone would've independent collected some dust samples in lower Manhattan with traces of demolition chemicals. If all these bombs were placed in the building, chemical residue should've been all over the place.

Thermite, which is used to cut steel, was found at the base of the twin towers and pools of this chemical continued to burn for days after the attack. Also, the debris was quickly hauled away before any in-depth investigation could be conducted.

Watch the documentary suggested by Kosko. It's an eye opener. Engineers, architects and physicists with over 20 years of professional experience give several convincing reasons why the official government story is horseshit.

[Atlantic]

I wonder if guys on the forum will end up like this but in a manosphere way

Bursts on to stage and grabs mic: 'short hair on girls looks bad, the government is helping girls cut their hair'

While getting dragged out by security: 'no doesn't always mean no. No doesn't always mean NOOO'