[Only One Man]

If you can watch footage of the three buildings coming down and tell me with a straight face that they don't at least LOOK like controlled demolition, then you are a very good liar.

[speakeasy]

You would also think that someone would've independent collected some dust samples in lower Manhattan with traces of demolition chemicals. If all these bombs were placed in the building, chemical residue should've been all over the place.

[Wargasm]

I'm not one to trust the government, but I'm also hesitant to believe in conspiracy theories. The sheer scope of it makes it almost impossible. How many people would need to be in on it and of a like mind?

What was the motive? A lot of people would have to see a HUGE benefit in order to undertake something so evil out in the open like that. The risk for failure would be huge at every step.

Do you think that there could be multiple people in the U.S. government that would willingly kill U.S. civilians just because they were told to? You'd have to trust these people to be both genius sociopaths and blindingly loyal at the same time.

Who came up with the idea to blow up the towers first? and who were the people he told?

I consider myself to be a highly intelligent and morally felxible man, and I don't see any way of this being carried out, even as President of the United States. Bill Clinton couldn't even get away with getting a blowie from an intern.

[j r]

(02-03-2014 12:57 PM)Only One Man Wrote:  

If you can watch footage of the three buildings coming down and tell me with a straight face that they don't at least LOOK like controlled demolition, then you are a very good liar.

Of all the reasons to distrust the official version of what happened, this is the weakest. It implies that the average person knows enough to tell exactly what a controlled demolition looks like as opposed to a building falling down from structural damage and intense fires.

And what is so special about WTC 7? What was accomplished by destroying that building that wasn't already accomplished by bringing down the two towers?

[NY Digital]

Yeah I can't believe Stalin would kill tens of millions of his own people.

He was the government, I couldn't see that happening.

Must be just a rumor after all.

[kdolo]

And what is so special about WTC 7? What was accomplished by destroying that building that wasn't already accomplished by bringing down the two towers?
[/quote]

WTC 7 - housed CIA New York Headquarters.
-destroy 7 and destroy all evidence related to the "conspiracy"


-Pentagon: the offices destroyed by the plane crash (allegede plane) were the Pentagon accounting offices dealing with tryng to find out where the missing 2 trillion dollars was and went - that Rumsfeld acknowledge in the press that was lost. Destroy that area and destroy the inquiry because the evidence is destroyed.

[kosko]

(02-03-2014 01:21 PM)Wargasm Wrote:  

I'm not one to trust the government, but I'm also hesitant to believe in conspiracy theories. The sheer scope of it makes it almost impossible. How many people would need to be in on it and of a like mind?

What was the motive? A lot of people would have to see a HUGE benefit in order to undertake something so evil out in the open like that. The risk for failure would be huge at every step.

Do you think that there could be multiple people in the U.S. government that would willingly kill U.S. civilians just because they were told to? You'd have to trust these people to be both genius sociopaths and blindingly loyal at the same time.

Who came up with the idea to blow up the towers first? and who were the people he told?

I consider myself to be a highly intelligent and morally felxible man, and I don't see any way of this being carried out, even as President of the United States. Bill Clinton couldn't even get away with getting a blowie from an intern.

If you look at the history prior and after there are groups whom benefited from 9/11 immensely. Everything comes down to whom gets the most out of anything, understanding that its easier to draw more clear conclusions.

(02-03-2014 01:26 PM)j r Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 12:57 PM)Only One Man Wrote:  

If you can watch footage of the three buildings coming down and tell me with a straight face that they don't at least LOOK like controlled demolition, then you are a very good liar.

Of all the reasons to distrust the official version of what happened, this is the weakest. It implies that the average person knows enough to tell exactly what a controlled demolition looks like as opposed to a building falling down from structural damage and intense fires.

And what is so special about WTC 7? What was accomplished by destroying that building that wasn't already accomplished by bringing down the two towers?

Look at the link provided I posted. These are ignorant questions, do the research...

http://issuu.com/larrylandon/docs/rethin...85/4499928

[NY Digital]

The whole post 9/11 war is a money making machine.

No-bid contracts are the biggest robbery of the American people.

It's like stealing money out of our pockets and our future generations to come.

[Kickb]

Obmas making every coumtry pissed at the US on purpose. A true world war will break out, Obama will declare himself dictator and rule the US for the foreseeable future.

Believe it.

[Walderschmidt]

(02-03-2014 02:46 PM)Kickb Wrote:  

Obmas making every coumtry pissed at the US on purpose. A true world war will break out, Obama will declare himself dictator and rule the US for the foreseeable future.

Believe it.

I don't know if Obama will be the one to do that, but for sure he seems to be doing his best to pave the way.

Wald

[NY Digital]

Well with stuff like this:

Looks kind of familiar to something we've seen in history.

[Courage Reborn]

funny this guy jumps on the mic on live tv, and spawns threads like this all over the internets.

conspiracy theory game recognized

[Agent 47]

Well, since everybody is jumping in on this thread, i may as well chime in.

In 1997, a think tank called "Project For A New American Century" was founded. The members list is VERY INTRIGUING. Some of them were in the Bush Administration.

The view that "American leadership is both good for America and The World..." tells you what these assholes had in mind.

These are their 4 "mission statements"...

- we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;
- we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;
- we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad
- we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

I HIGHLY SUGGEST YOU LOOK AT THIS SHIT.

These Motherfuckers had the whole playbook set up while CLINTON was in office. They wanted to get rid of Hussein in the late 90's, using the same garbage of "WMD's" and "threats to America's interests." They planned ALL of what we are today.

On September 20, 2001 (nine days after the September 11, 2001 attacks), the PNAC sent a letter to President George W. Bush, advocating "a determined effort to remove Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq", or regime change:

...even if evidence does not link Iraq directly to the attack, any strategy aiming at the eradication of terrorism and its sponsors must include a determined effort to remove Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq. Failure to undertake such an effort will constitute an early and perhaps decisive surrender in the war on international terrorism.

You know what 9/11 was to these fuckers? "A new Pearl Harbor.."

"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor"

9/11 WAS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN.

These cunts knew we would not enter another conflict out of Desert Storm, so they bided their time and let this happen for our supposed "interests"

Why were there 5 dancing Israeli faggots celebrating?

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLE...aelis.html

Again, i highly suggest you look into this so called "Project for a New American Century.

[Uzisuicide]

Our Government can't even build a simple health care website with billions in funding and three years to do it. I've heard the conspiracies on that too. It's just incompetence that's pretty much all there is to it.

[Sawyer]

The website and 9/11 are both evidence of the level of respect the government has for the people. The moral of the story is the same in both cases: In America, you can get away with anything.

[durangotang]

I highly recommend watching "The Third Truth" an interview with Dimitri Khalezov, a former nuclear intelligence officer of the 12 Chief Directorate of the Russian armed forces.

It is long, but worthwhile:

[Kaizen]

Chomsky's good response to conspiracy theories. starts @ 2:15

[durangotang]

How about Dr. Alan Sabrosky, former Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College:

[Candlejack]

It doesn't even make sense from a terrorists point of view. If they wanted to start a war, why did they go for the big hoolywood style spectacular then sit back knowing that America and her allies will retaliate with hell, fire and brimstone and all we have is a few stinger missiles and ak-47s? What did they gain? Sweet fuck all. Whereas, what have those in power gained? Everything.

[Walderschmidt]

(02-03-2014 04:14 PM)Uzisuicide Wrote:  

Our Government can't even build a simple health care website with billions in funding and three years to do it. I've heard the conspiracies on that too. It's just incompetence that's pretty much all there is to it.

How do you know that incompetence is not a manufactured image?

Remember that book everyone on the forum once raved about? The 48 Laws of Power, by Robert Greene?

Here's some of the 48 Laws:

Law 12: Use Selective Honesty and Generosity to Disarm Your Victim
Law 21: Play a Sucker to Catch a Sucker, Seem Dumber than your Mark
Law 27: Play on People’s Need to Believe to Create a Cult like Following
Law 45: Preach the Need for Change But Never Reform Too Much at Once

Think about those laws. Anything seem remind you of US Gov.?

Wald

[lskdfjldsf]

It's interesting how you can identify so many similar thought patterns between ideologues on so many different issues.

When viewed from the outside, corruption, like religion to the devout, is a scapegoat that ties together the doubts, fears, and insecurities of large groups of people. The belief that corporations and profits dictate world events and control government actions in a continual, regulated cycle humanizes perceived injustices, and like Satan figures in most world religions, personifies man's natural tendency to sin or feel guilt, greed, and anger.

Like religion, it's an ideology deeply rooted in faith; either in God or an afterlife, or in the belief that all financial and governmental injustices are the result of a select few pulling the strings. To these people, there are no isolated incidents, there are no exceptions, and only absolutes may be taken as truths. God either exists in the form I imagine, or he doesn't at all. Corporations run the world and every government is corrupt, or none are at all.

When you analyze the thought processes behind 'truthers' it's nearly identical to those of followers of world religions. Because corruption exists, the most logical conclusion for them is that conspiracy dictates EVERY event, rather than only SOME events.

[jaakkeli]

(02-03-2014 12:57 PM)Only One Man Wrote:  

If you can watch footage of the three buildings coming down and tell me with a straight face that they don't at least LOOK like controlled demolition, then you are a very good liar.

It doesn't look like a planned demolition at all. Here's what an actual demolition looks like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdqWRHe4AKs

Here's the WTC towers collapsing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk9uTjRNdVI

In a demolition they rig the explosives to blow off the support structure all at once so that the tower collapses on its base with all parts of the tower falling at the same time. You still see a dust/debris cloud forming at the base but that's not what happens to the WTC. In the WTC video clearly the top part of the building falls down and crushes the tower floor by floor, sending debris flying to all directions as the building comes down; the lower floors are perfectly intact until the falling top part demolishes them.

If you look at the 3 minute mark of the WTC video, you even see the top of the building keeling over but even then there's nowhere for it to go except down. That top part of the structure is tons and tons of concrete and there just isn't any sideways momentum, all it can do is go straight down. Once the supports at some relatively high point in the building are weakened enough, there's nothing else the building can do than collapse this way.

Of course you could artificially create a collapse like this by filling the right floors with explosives but then you get to the silly theories of airplanes having to hit exactly pre-planned spots in the buildings to hide the explosions. In fact, it would be utterly silly to even use explosives if you knew the building was about to get hit by a plane: you could just sabotage the support structures to make sure that the building collapses when the plane hits. Traces of explosives can be detected but no one would ever be able to prove that a key support beam was missing.

[Walderschmidt]

(02-03-2014 05:43 PM)Blick Mang Wrote:  

It's interesting how you can identify so many similar thought patterns between ideologues on so many different issues.

Like religion, it's an ideology deeply rooted in faith; either in God or an afterlife, or in the belief that all financial and governmental injustices are the result of a select few pulling the strings. To these people, there are no isolated incidents, there are no exceptions, and only absolutes may be taken as truths. God either exists in the form I imagine, or he doesn't at all. Corporations run the world and every government is corrupt, or none are at all.

When you analyze the thought processes behind 'truthers' it's nearly identical to those of followers of world religions. Because corruption exists, the most logical conclusion for them is that conspiracy dictates EVERY event, rather than only SOME events.

I understand what you're saying about the thought processes of truthers. Like you said, that kind of thinking can be found in nearly any group of humans.

But I ask you - do you the onset of feminism and the state of the world, sexual relations and all today, is due to a series of isolated incidents, or is an exception in history?

Wald

[jaakkeli]

(02-03-2014 05:28 PM)Candlejack Wrote:  

It doesn't even make sense from a terrorists point of view. If they wanted to start a war, why did they go for the big hoolywood style spectacular then sit back knowing that America and her allies will retaliate with hell, fire and brimstone and all we have is a few stinger missiles and ak-47s? What did they gain?

What did they gain? Are you fucking kidding?

The terrorists lost 20 men and maybe tens of thousands of dollars to pull it all off. The damage they inflicted was 6000 dead and billions of dollars worth of destruction and lost revenues. 9/11 has to go down in history as one of the most successful (para)military actions in history. I can't think of any single event where so much damage has been inflicted with such a small cost.

And that's not counting the thousands of men and billions of dollars that America has lost in the wars that followed - wars that were often fought against forces (like Saddam Hussein's) that the terrorists would have considered enemies, a double benefit for them.

[cardguy]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/benzingainsi...laden-win/

Quote:

In 2004, Bin Laden released a tape to Al-Jazeera where the former head of Al Qaeda laid out the purpose of the 9/11 attacks, and the organization’s goals. “We are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. Allah willing, and nothing is too great for Allah,” Bin Laden said.

In other words, the goal was not to defeat America in battle. The goal was not to bleed American resolve on the battlefield. The entire purpose of Al Qaeda’s attacks on America was to bleed America’s economy dry. By that standard, even in death, Bin Laden has clearly won.