It's funny, I believe porn is the cause for both these extremes.
It creates acceptance for jackhammer sex while also making guys thirsty.
It creates acceptance for jackhammer sex while also making guys thirsty.
Quote: (02-03-2014 10:55 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:
Quote: (02-02-2014 04:54 AM)Sugar Wrote:
....but the truth is most guys don't approach, and the ones who do usually have to drunk.
The truth is 98% + don't approach, and that is the big secret.
99% never speak.
Quote: (02-03-2014 10:22 AM)soup Wrote:
Tyler Durden's secret society concept in full effect. You are either in or out. The castle walls get higher everyday.
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Quote: (02-01-2014 10:58 PM)Vaun Wrote:
Feminized educational system. An extremely safe and coddled existence free of war and poverty in the West. No exposure to older WW2 generation men, who were basically assholes and hard as hell to work for, but taught work ethic and integrity. Being content with having/accomplishing very little. Video games and 40 ounce mountain dew. I dont know, I'd like to blame feminism, but a lot of men are just not stepping up.
It's probably 95% Feminism / 5% 'men not stepping up' but let's not get too far down that last little conceit. Western society is absolutely f*cked up and gender roles & heterosexuality are under attack by the gay lobby and mainstream culture. They basically want everyone to 'experiment' and be less male or female. For most people that goes against nature / biology and the results are creating hordes of uber-beta feminized guys and all these illogical, misandrist 'Feminist' drones...and let's not forget how divorce laws and marriage have made marriage a very risky proposition whereby women hold all the cards so even in a supposedly 'solid relationship founded on love' you've got no guarantees (as a man that is, for women they hit the lottery).
Quote: (02-03-2014 08:25 PM)DarkTriad Wrote:
It's not guys not "stepping up", it's the fact that so many men have been beaten down. In addition to all the other ways the system is grinding men down, think about this - In previous eras, people got paired off young, and grew confident leading families their own way. There was no giant split between the alpha players and hordes of betas. Those same "regular guys" are now living lives of sloppy seconds, rejections and fatties till 30. This can't help but put holes in their soul. You can't just instantly rebound into a confident alpha after so many years of being beaten down, even when the tide begins to turn.
The "where have all the good men gone" does have some merit. Those confident, regular working guys are now a "lost generation". They've been wiped out like we had a major war. We had a war, but it was a war on men.
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She was somewhat surprised at my response. She said, "so they just give up? They don't go out anymore? Don't they want to find somebody? Anybody?!"
"Yeah, more or less."
"That's crazy! How do they ever expect to find anybody?"
I replied, "Well...they don't."
Regardless, the point was her reaction surprised me in return to see this was that shocking of a revelation to her. I always thought it was kind of common knowledge, men do indeed give up after a while, but apparently it's not. So allow me to explain.
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But what ultimately results in the decision to exit the market is more of an economic decision. It is the realization that as you have less and less remaining life you have to make surer and surer bets as to how to spend your time. It's no different than switching from equities to bonds as you approach retirement. Ergo, whereas when you were 18 you would stay at a party all night in the hopes of getting a girl's phone number, when you're 25 you start to think about working instead of partying, and by the time you're 30, you rarely go to clubs, dance halls, bars opting instead to play video games at home or read a book or put some more hours in at the office.
The reason is the expected rate of return of your precious, finite, and perpetually dwindling time. If you go out, hot as you may be when you're 18, you have little to no control over succeeding in getting a girl's number or a date. And as experience will tell you it's a 1/20 shot you will succeed, and that's assuming you have good game. All in all, I would estimate most 20 somethings waste an equivalent to 4 full years of full time work chasing girls to relatively little avail. A significant opportunity cost.
Quote: (02-03-2014 02:22 PM)void Wrote:
Quote: (02-03-2014 10:55 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:
Quote: (02-02-2014 04:54 AM)Sugar Wrote:
....but the truth is most guys don't approach, and the ones who do usually have to drunk.
The truth is 98% + don't approach, and that is the big secret.
99% never speak.
that simply is not true.
Quote: (02-01-2014 10:13 PM)Bacchus Wrote:
I actually can understand the thirst. Sympathize with it- no. But I know where's it coming from.
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Quote: (02-01-2014 08:16 PM)Valhalla Wrote:
Easiest it's ever been to get porno sex [for the top 20%] yet guys are the thirstiest
So much truth
If you're one of the top guys it's easy money, lot of the thirst comes from men not having self-respect and putting the pussy on a pedestal. The feminist machine is strong
Quote: (02-04-2014 07:16 PM)Moreless Wrote:op talent
Quote: (02-01-2014 08:16 PM)Valhalla Wrote:
Easiest it's ever been to get porno sex [for the top 20%] yet guys are the thirstiest
Isn't there some 80/20 Rule?
20% of guys are banging 80% of woman
Quote: (02-06-2014 10:26 PM)Sugar Wrote:
I think the % of guys who are "in" is a lot smaller than he suggested. It's not 1% straight men, probably closer to .1% or even fewer.
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Quote: (02-06-2014 10:26 PM)Sugar Wrote:
I think the % of guys who are "in" is a lot smaller than he suggested. It's not 1% straight men, probably closer to .1% or even fewer.
It is not like with money where the Koch Brothers and the like can accumulate most of it. Guys who fuck a lot actually have to keep fucking, and they too have limited time and energy. The highest self-reported notch count on RVF is what....a little over 100/year? Most guys, even alphas, never get anywhere close to that number. 0.1% can't physically satisfy all the women even if they fuck every night, the math just doesn't work.
My estimate would be somewhere between 20 and 2%. Let's say a top 20% guy has 5 chicks in his "mini-harem". These 5 chicks also fuck other guys like him, but then he sometimes fucks other chicks too (from other top 20% guys' mini harems). This means that the guy satisfies 5 girls (give or take) on a regular basis, and these girls don't need betas to fuck them. That's the 80/20 rule right there.
Quote: (02-06-2014 05:43 AM)P Dog Wrote:Cant agree with you more, I think a lot of "thirst" comes from actual female attention in the form of a girlfriend or similar situation. One night stands are good when you're actually fucking the girl but a couple of days later you look back at it and you're in the same place i.e. no female attention. A good way to describe ONS are fast food good while you're eating them but you're hungry a few hours later, because they're kind of a means to an end. Is this beta?
Our culture has never been more sexualized, yet its never been harder for the average chode faggot to get a cute, feminine girlfriend (which is what most of them actually want, not a string of one night stands). Hence why the average guy is so fucked up these days.