[j r]

(02-02-2014 04:17 AM)jaakkeli Wrote:  

Soooo.... rich and famous dude who made a career out being fucked up in the head hooks up with his ugly de facto stepdaughter pretty much on the day she turned legal. I think the odds are pretty good that he gets turned on by pedo-incest stuff because, really, what else would he see in her?

I guess the verdict here depends a lot on whether you actually like Woody Allen or not. I don't and everything about the man screamed "creep" to me from seeing him on TV before I even heard about this.

You are using the inaccurate definition of pedophilia that feminists and the like use to shame men for being attracted to younger women. Personally, I am all for age of consent laws. Grown men should generally be kept from girls under a certain age, but let's use these terms correctly. Pedophiles are attracted to pre-pubescent children. When children start to develop secondary sex characteristics, the lose interest.

[soup]

(02-02-2014 04:17 AM)jaakkeli Wrote:  

Soooo.... rich and famous dude who made a career out being fucked up in the head hooks up with his ugly de facto stepdaughter pretty much on the day she turned legal. I think the odds are pretty good that he gets turned on by pedo-incest stuff because, really, what else would he see in her?

I guess the verdict here depends a lot on whether you actually like Woody Allen or not. I don't and everything about the man screamed "creep" to me from seeing him on TV before I even heard about this.

You write the way a woman thinks and talks.

[Walderschmidt]

(02-03-2014 07:14 PM)soup Wrote:  

What they really need to do is sure up false rape claims laws.

Does false rape qualify as libel, or is it in it's own category? Any legal people here that can chime in?

It should be considered Libel, if not the worst kind!

Wald

[AnonymousBosch]

(02-02-2014 02:35 PM)TheMachinist Wrote:  

There aint nothing normal about a man fucking his step daughter.

However, if it's a woman fucking her husband's brother, it's considered a normal enough plot for daytime-soaps, prime-time viewing and romance novels. Hell, it just happened on that crap 'Revolution' show last week. You hear any feminist outrage on Twitter?

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(02-03-2014 10:40 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(02-02-2014 02:35 PM)TheMachinist Wrote:  

There aint nothing normal about a man fucking his step daughter.

However, if it's a woman fucking her husband's brother, it's considered a normal enough plot for daytime-soaps, prime-time viewing and romance novels. Hell, it just happened on that crap 'Revolution' show last week. You hear any feminist outrage on Twitter?

....and back in 1975, a song about a teenage boy screwing his step-mother, "Judy Mae" made it to #33. No outrage about that, either.

The guy who wrote and recorded it, Boomer Castleman, went onto become a record company bigwig.

[AnonymousBosch]

^^ One crazy bitch I knew went through 2 brothers in the family to get to the 3rd, which was the one she actually wanted.

[soup]

Almost every feminist article I've read on this is just completely frothy, and lacks any substance. Whether it's true or not, this entire thing is a great deal of hype. I'm all for justice and supporting victims of rape, but the only evidence in this case is hearsay- it's one person's account versus another's. Bring it into court in front of jury and it just becomes an acting competition of who is more believable.

If you are going to convict everyone on hearsay, than you'll have to build a prison large enough to fit most of the population of the world.

[Slim Shady]

Older woman fucked a young boy? High five, very nice!

[soup]

Another thing- she's making libel claims, but not bringing him to court.

If she doesn't bring him to court, then I'd argue that this is libel.

If you are going to go out publicly and say someone raped you, and not take them to court to try get him convicted, then you are a terrible person for many reasons and probably full of shit.

[Emancipator]

(02-04-2014 12:08 AM)soup Wrote:  

Another thing- she's making libel claims, but not bringing him to court.

If she doesn't bring him to court, then I'd argue that this is libel.

If you are going to go out publicly and say someone raped you, and not take them to court to try get him convicted, then you are a terrible person for many reasons and probably full of shit.

Its ironic since you don't see Mia Farrow going after known child predators such as her brother and her close friend Roman Polanski. She has beef with Woody and is bat shit insane enough to continue this while brainswashing her kids.

This is just another product of the crazy witchhunt that was Satanic Ritual Abuse in the 80;s and 90;s. Depending on shitty pseudo science such as "recovered memory therapy".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_ritual_abuse
he second group to make allegations of SRA were young children. During the 'satanic panic' of the 1980s, the techniques used by investigators to gather evidence from witnesses, particularly young children, evolved to become very leading, coercive and suggestive, pressuring young children to provide testimony and refusing to accept denials while offering inducements that encouraged false disclosures.[43][116][35] The interviewing techniques used were the factors believed to have led to the construction of the bizarre disclosures of SRA by the children[110][117] and changes to forensic and interviewing techniques since that time has resulted in a disappearance of the allegations.[11] Analysis of the techniques used in two key cases (the McMartin preschool and Wee Care Nursery School trials) concluded that the children were questioned in a highly suggestive manner. Compared with a set of interviews from Child Protective Services, the interviews from the two trials were "significantly more likely to (a) introduce new suggestive information into the interview, (b) provide praise, promises, and positive reinforcement, © express disapproval, disbelief, or disagreement with children, (d) exert conformity pressure, and (e) invite children to pretend or speculate about supposed events."[116]


The whole ordeal is annoying and an attention grab/witch hunt using false facts and emotional thinking. People don't bother looking at the facts, ask any average person about Woody Allen and the media witch hunt success is apparent. We even see it in this thread, Soon Yi, wasn't Woody Allen's daughter or step daughter, she was Previn's adopted daughter that happened to also be the adopted daughter of Allen's then gf. Crazy that mainstream would support degenerate sexual relations (homosexual) and shame normal one in which a man goes for a younger woman

[ChocolateCockOfZeus]

(01-27-2014 11:30 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

Ronan somehow managed to inherit Frank's looks, instead of Woody's.

Duuuuudddee. They're fucking twins.

[ChocolateCockOfZeus]

From the article ICYMI:

"#1: Soon-Yi was Woody’s daughter. False.

#2: Soon-Yi was Woody’s step-daughter. False.

#3: Soon-Yi was Woody and Mia’s adopted daughter. False. Soon-Yi was the adopted daughter of Mia Farrow and André Previn. Her full name was Soon-Yi Farrow Previn.

#4: Woody and Mia were married. False.

#5: Woody and Mia lived together. False. Woody lived in his apartment on Fifth Ave. Mia and her kids lived on Central Park West. In fact, Woody never once stayed over night at Mia’s apartment in 12 years.

#6: Woody and Mia had a common-law marriage. False. New York State does not recognize common law marriage. Even in states that do, a couple has to cohabitate for a certain number of years.

#7: Soon-Yi viewed Woody as a father figure. False. Soon-Yi saw Woody as her mother’s boyfriend. Her father figure was her adoptive father, André Previn.

#8: Soon-Yi was underage when she and Woody started having relations. False. She was either 19 or 21. (Her year of birth in Korea was undocumented, but believed to be either 1970 or ’72.)

#9: Soon-Yi was borderline retarded. Ha! She’s smart as a whip, has a degree from Columbia University and speaks more languages than you.

#10: Woody was grooming Soon-Yi from an early age to be his child bride. Oh, come on! According to court documents and Mia’s own memoir, until 1990 (when Soon-Yi was 18 or 20), Woody “had little to do with any of the Previn children, (but) had the least to do with Soon-Yi” so Mia encouraged him to spend more time with her. Woody started taking her to basketball games, and the rest is tabloid history. So he hardly “had his eye on her” from the time she was a child."

[Tuthmosis]

(02-03-2014 05:51 PM)jtbabycarrots Wrote:  

Hey guys. Can we be a little less quick on the trigger when banning people? EastWest was dropping some serious knowledge on another thread about starting your own business. This is a dream I am trying to put into practice so I can move out of this feminists society I currently find myself back in.

He clearly made some misguided statements but he didn't do it out of malice. He must be new to the red bill. I admit that. But at some point isn't it our responsibility to educate people rather than simply ban them???

In the future, we'll be sure to run all moderation decisions by you first, to see if they affect your personal goals and ambitions.

7-day suspension.

[iknowexactly]

(02-02-2014 04:06 PM)kbell Wrote:  

Eastwest might be the first member that paid for the VIP silver medal that got banned.

Is recovered memories coached by feminist shrinks admissible in court? This type of theory sounds rather dangerous and quite ridiculous. Making up abuse to soothe the hamster.

Recovered memories, amazingly since it feeds feminist paranoia, it deemed to have little credibility among child custody evaluators.
Because child custody battles are so vicious, there is a tendency to hold evidence to a higher standard than fanciful bullshit.

Connected, high status people like Harvard psychiatry professors, who were mostly male in the 90s ( and may be now) , were able to put the kibosh on that crap before it really got a foothold, although I'm sure it ruined men's lives by that time.

My impression is if the supposed "recovered memory" came from "experiences" during about the ages of 5+-8 it has little credibility, especially , and "recovered memories" from before 5 are considered almost complete BS.

[soup]

People on Facebook are starting to connect the dots with this, are posting the article in the OP and also discussing the possibility that this could be a publicity stunt for the new show. If this is some kind of stunt, I think that it's probably the most vial publicity campaign I've ever heard of.

[Slim Shady]

(02-04-2014 02:08 PM)soup Wrote:  

People on Facebook are starting to connect the dots with this, are posting the article in the OP and also discussing the possibility that this could be a publicity stunt for the new show. If this is some kind of stunt, I think that it's probably the most vial publicity campaign I've ever heard of.

Not nearly enough. Here is the typical feminist response. I want to write a scathing comment and there are clearly many holes here. Any points anyone could suggest would be great.

http://thedartmouth.com/2014/02/04/opini...with-doubt

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(02-04-2014 11:48 AM)ChocolateCockOfZeus Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 11:30 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

Ronan somehow managed to inherit Frank's looks, instead of Woody's.

Duuuuudddee. They're fucking twins.

No, they're not. He looks like Mia's convicted child molester brother John Villers-Farrow and they're trying to distract from that. Please read my breakdown of why Sinatra is most likely not Ronan's father here.

[soup]

Not only is it libel for the daughter to be saying that he's a rapist without providing better evidence.. all those girls on Facebook who are saying thing are also committing libel.

I predict that this particular incident of Farrow righting the letter is going to become a huge deal- much bigger than it already is.

[iknowexactly]

(02-04-2014 07:19 PM)soup Wrote:  

I predict that this particular incident of Farrow righting the letter is going to become a huge deal- much bigger than it already is.

I don't know if I agree, I think women are pretty much free rein to be as hysterical as they want as long as they are not clearly interfering with someone's income. I am not a lawyer.

Since I guess Allen's income is from movies, I would guess if anything his income will go up from this. The Paris movie was excellent, and I didn't know he had another one out now until this happened, they're just giving him more publicity.

I think of someone of Allen's intellect will think of the high road as just making a couple statements denying this, and let it drop. It's ultimately not interesting long-term; he said she said without him saying much after "bullshit."

[The Lizard of Oz]

(02-02-2014 01:44 PM)Slim Shady Wrote:  

Just read the letter. I was almost laughing from the first line. This reads completely like a trumped up cliche letter. It uses every basic rhetorical device in the book, and that too in a heavy handed hacky way.

First, starting and ending it in that stupid way. The whole "I can't see toy trains bit". Many other uses of pathos and ethos. The classic, watching my tormentor get awards year after year bit.

"But sexual abuse claims against the powerful stall more easily. There were experts willing to attack my credibility." - This should happen in any and every case. Sadly it doesn't.

Her tone in the first few paragraphs is that of an ignorant child, who feels strange about all her instances of "abuse" but isn't too worked up about them. Once she's come out with this to her mother she says "I also didn’t know the firestorm it would trigger." again playing confused. But then she is suddenly knowledgeable.

"That he got away with what he did to me haunted me as I grew up. I was stricken with guilt that I had allowed him to be near other little girls."

Doesn't this bother you? She goes form a girl who didn't know what was happening to her exactly, and how serious it was, to being HAUNTED by it. That only happens when you are constantly told and reinforced in your head [most likely by her crazy mother] that you are the victim. Sounds a lot like modern feminism and "rape victims" today, who are convinced by their girlfriends that last night's drunk sex was rape, cause "you deserve better than that loser"

Fin

GREAT POST. Spot-on analysis and +1 from me.

[dads]

I was born in 1994, so I don't know much about this situation, nor have I ever had much inclination to learn more about it. I've never knowingly seen a Woody Allen movie in my life, and if you put a gun to my head I don't if I'd be able to tell you exactly what he did. However, I was perusing Longform today, and happened upon this 1992 Vanity Fair article:

Quote:

There was an unwritten rule in Mia Farrow’s house that Woody Allen was never supposed to be left alone with their seven-year-old adopted daughter, Dylan. Over the last two years, sources close to Farrow say, he has been discussing alleged “inappropriate” fatherly behavior toward Dylan in sessions with Dr. Susan Coates, a child psychologist. In more than two dozen interviews conducted for this article, most of them with individuals who are on intimate terms with the Mia Farrow household, Allen was described over and over as being completely obsessed with the bright little blonde girl. He could not seem to keep his hands off her. He would monopolize her totally, to the exclusion of her brothers and sisters, and spend hours whispering to her. She was fond of her daddy, but if she tried to go off and play, he would follow her from room to room, or he would sit and stare at her. During the school year, Allen would arrive early at Mia Farrow’s West Side Manhattan apartment, sit on Dylan’s bed and watch her wake up, and take her to school. At her birthday party last July, at Farrow’s country house in Bridgewater, Connecticut, he promised that he would keep away from the children’s table so that Dylan could enjoy her birthday party with her friends, but he seemed unable to do that. Allen, who was a fearful figure to many in the household, was so needy where Dylan was concerned that he hovered over her through the whole party, and when the cake arrived, he was right behind her, helping to blow out the candles.

So based off literally just this article, I gather that Woody Allen was the most patient pedophile in the world. I'm confused as to why everyone is so quick to defend this guy.

[The Lizard of Oz]

dads, did you read the rest of the thread before posting? Doing so might have cleared up some of your confusion.

That article you cite, which is entitled "Mia's Story", was simply regurgitating Mia Farrow's accusations at that time, told entirely from her perspective. And as you could find out from a number of posts earlier in the thread, these accusations were brought to the authorities and went nowhere because there was absolutely no evidence to substantiate them.

Please don't be so rash to declare someone "the most patient pedophile in the world" based on a single biased magazine article.

[dads]

(02-04-2014 10:23 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

dads, did you read the rest of the thread before posting? Doing so might have cleared up some of your confusion.

That article you cite, which is entitled "Mia's Story", was simply regurgitating Mia Farrow's accusations at that time, told entirely from her perspective. And as you could find out from a number of posts earlier in the thread, these accusations were brought to the authorities and went nowhere because there was absolutely no evidence to substantiate them.

Please don't be so rash to declare someone "the most patient pedophile in the world" based on a single biased magazine article.

I did read through the rest of the thread, post-my reply and ultimately, I feel like he say-she say situations are headache inducing. Mia Farrow sounds vindictive and Woody Allen did have a relationship with this daughter (adopted or step, not sure). I still come away feeling about this how I did when that one dude made a tweet about Woody Allen being a child molester when he won that lifetime achievement award: buzz the fuck off.

I don't think thinking about this stuff does good for anyone though. At the end of the day, it's an odd situation.

[soup]

Dads, at this point it is he said she said, so why are you calling Allen a "patient pedophile"? You sound exactly like the feminists who are saying the same thing.

[Rutting Elephant]

Anderson Cooper's regular guest, Sonny, an insufferable cunt ex prosecutor, just claimed that people very rarely make up abuse stories. What. The. Fuck.