[Slim Shady]

(02-04-2014 10:37 PM)dads Wrote:  

(02-04-2014 10:23 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

dads, did you read the rest of the thread before posting? Doing so might have cleared up some of your confusion.

That article you cite, which is entitled "Mia's Story", was simply regurgitating Mia Farrow's accusations at that time, told entirely from her perspective. And as you could find out from a number of posts earlier in the thread, these accusations were brought to the authorities and went nowhere because there was absolutely no evidence to substantiate them.

Please don't be so rash to declare someone "the most patient pedophile in the world" based on a single biased magazine article.

I did read through the rest of the thread, post-my reply and ultimately, I feel like he say-she say situations are headache inducing. Mia Farrow sounds vindictive and Woody Allen did have a relationship with this daughter (adopted or step, not sure). I still come away feeling about this how I did when that one dude made a tweet about Woody Allen being a child molester when he won that lifetime achievement award: buzz the fuck off.

I don't think thinking about this stuff does good for anyone though. At the end of the day, it's an odd situation.

This is too important an issue to be callous about. This is not just about Woody Allen, Dylan, and Mia. Woody has a lot of life behind him, is very successful, and has enough support that he will see it through this. [I won't say "get away with it", rather all that his success and fame does in this situation is give him a fair chance against the accuser].

Now maybe he is guilty. People can be perverse. [My gut says he is not guilty]. This is about civil liberties. Due process. Women ruining the lives of innocent young men with false accusations of rape, and getting away with it. This is about all those men who have or thought of committing suicide because all of society turned on them for being "sex offenders" and scum of the earth. This is for all those men who had no resources, or were not allowed the use of resources to fight for justice, yet took the punches, broke the shackles, and made something of themselves.

Let brother stand by brother...atleast till he is proven guilty. That modicum of decency can be expected, no?

I posted this link already, but this is what we are up against.

http://thedartmouth.com/2014/02/04/opini...with-doubt

The least we can do is act as a shit shield.

[The Lizard of Oz]

(02-04-2014 10:51 PM)Slim Shady Wrote:  

This is too important an issue to be callous about. This is not just about Woody Allen, Dylan, and Mia. Woody has a lot of life behind him, is very successful, and has enough support that he will see it through this. [I won't say "get away with it", rather all that his success and fame does in this situation is give him a fair chance against the accuser].

Now maybe he is guilty. People can be perverse. [My gut says he is not guilty]. This is about civil liberties. Due process. Women ruining the lives of innocent young men with false accusations of rape, and getting away with it. This is about all those men who have or thought of committing suicide because all of society turned on them for being "sex offenders" and scum of the earth. This is for all those men who had no resources, or were not allowed the use of resources to fight for justice, yet took the punches, broke the shackles, and made something of themselves.

Let brother stand by brother...atleast till he is proven guilty. That modicum of decency can be expected, no?

I posted this link already, but this is what we are up against.

http://thedartmouth.com/2014/02/04/opini...with-doubt

The least we can do is act as a shit shield.

Slim, your posts in this thread are priceless.

[Dagonet]

To "dads" and everyone else:

The most damning thing is that Mia's entire story about the abuse didn't surface until months AFTER he left her for Soon-Yi. At that point, she had more "justification" in her mind that he was an asshole who deserved to be punished.... far more than even the average divorcee has. And we all know what the average woman is capable of when going through a divorce, trying to ensure custody and all the money she can extract. By all accounts, Mia is an unstable loon. Drumming up all these crazy accusations months after being unceremoniously dumped for her younger, foreign daughter was her only psychological line of defense against confronting reality. Most likely assessment of the situation.

[TheSlayer]

(02-05-2014 12:31 AM)Dagonet Wrote:  

To "dads" and everyone else:

The most damning thing is that Mia's entire story about the abuse didn't surface until months AFTER he left her for Soon-Yi. At that point, she had more "justification" in her mind that he was an asshole who deserved to be punished.... far more than even the average divorcee has. And we all know what the average woman is capable of when going through a divorce, trying to ensure custody and all the money she can extract. By all accounts, Mia is an unstable loon. Drumming up all these crazy accusations months after being unceremoniously dumped for her younger, foreign daughter was her only psychological line of defense against confronting reality. Most likely assessment of the situation.

Very well said. Like others here I had always heard the Woody Allen stories and that it had something to do with his step-daughter or something. I didn't care much until recently when twitter blew up because of Mia and the faggot son who hates Allen. That's when I fully read the story and although I felt Allen probably did something wrong being a RVFer you never trust shrieking feminists about rape and all that crap.

Then I read the article written in the Daily Beast which sorted out all the details and more importantly the chronology of the events which cleared everything for me. I for one second don't believe what Mia or those children say. Allen could very well be guilty but from what I have read and deduced on my own I don't think he is guilty. Once the details were presented and cross-matched with many feminists and other articles were saying, none of them presented the facts and are just supporting Mia's version of things.

[dads]

(02-04-2014 10:51 PM)Slim Shady Wrote:  

(02-04-2014 10:37 PM)dads Wrote:  

(02-04-2014 10:23 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

dads, did you read the rest of the thread before posting? Doing so might have cleared up some of your confusion.

That article you cite, which is entitled "Mia's Story", was simply regurgitating Mia Farrow's accusations at that time, told entirely from her perspective. And as you could find out from a number of posts earlier in the thread, these accusations were brought to the authorities and went nowhere because there was absolutely no evidence to substantiate them.

Please don't be so rash to declare someone "the most patient pedophile in the world" based on a single biased magazine article.

I did read through the rest of the thread, post-my reply and ultimately, I feel like he say-she say situations are headache inducing. Mia Farrow sounds vindictive and Woody Allen did have a relationship with this daughter (adopted or step, not sure). I still come away feeling about this how I did when that one dude made a tweet about Woody Allen being a child molester when he won that lifetime achievement award: buzz the fuck off.

I don't think thinking about this stuff does good for anyone though. At the end of the day, it's an odd situation.

This is too important an issue to be callous about. This is not just about Woody Allen, Dylan, and Mia. Woody has a lot of life behind him, is very successful, and has enough support that he will see it through this. [I won't say "get away with it", rather all that his success and fame does in this situation is give him a fair chance against the accuser].

Now maybe he is guilty. People can be perverse. [My gut says he is not guilty]. This is about civil liberties. Due process. Women ruining the lives of innocent young men with false accusations of rape, and getting away with it. This is about all those men who have or thought of committing suicide because all of society turned on them for being "sex offenders" and scum of the earth. This is for all those men who had no resources, or were not allowed the use of resources to fight for justice, yet took the punches, broke the shackles, and made something of themselves.

Let brother stand by brother...atleast till he is proven guilty. That modicum of decency can be expected, no?

I posted this link already, but this is what we are up against.

http://thedartmouth.com/2014/02/04/opini...with-doubt

The least we can do is act as a shit shield.

You're probably right. In my opinion, I think we should be a little more strict about who we put our support behind. The Duke lacrosse players? All for them. Those Steubenville kids that got their lives ruined because a girl got drunk? Let's back them up. This Woody Allen thing is just a bit too murky for me to feel comfortable with defending the guy. Can't fault anyone for wanting to though.

[soup]

(02-05-2014 03:13 AM)dads Wrote:  

(02-04-2014 10:51 PM)Slim Shady Wrote:  

(02-04-2014 10:37 PM)dads Wrote:  

(02-04-2014 10:23 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

dads, did you read the rest of the thread before posting? Doing so might have cleared up some of your confusion.

That article you cite, which is entitled "Mia's Story", was simply regurgitating Mia Farrow's accusations at that time, told entirely from her perspective. And as you could find out from a number of posts earlier in the thread, these accusations were brought to the authorities and went nowhere because there was absolutely no evidence to substantiate them.

Please don't be so rash to declare someone "the most patient pedophile in the world" based on a single biased magazine article.

I did read through the rest of the thread, post-my reply and ultimately, I feel like he say-she say situations are headache inducing. Mia Farrow sounds vindictive and Woody Allen did have a relationship with this daughter (adopted or step, not sure). I still come away feeling about this how I did when that one dude made a tweet about Woody Allen being a child molester when he won that lifetime achievement award: buzz the fuck off.

I don't think thinking about this stuff does good for anyone though. At the end of the day, it's an odd situation.

This is too important an issue to be callous about. This is not just about Woody Allen, Dylan, and Mia. Woody has a lot of life behind him, is very successful, and has enough support that he will see it through this. [I won't say "get away with it", rather all that his success and fame does in this situation is give him a fair chance against the accuser].

Now maybe he is guilty. People can be perverse. [My gut says he is not guilty]. This is about civil liberties. Due process. Women ruining the lives of innocent young men with false accusations of rape, and getting away with it. This is about all those men who have or thought of committing suicide because all of society turned on them for being "sex offenders" and scum of the earth. This is for all those men who had no resources, or were not allowed the use of resources to fight for justice, yet took the punches, broke the shackles, and made something of themselves.

Let brother stand by brother...atleast till he is proven guilty. That modicum of decency can be expected, no?

I posted this link already, but this is what we are up against.

http://thedartmouth.com/2014/02/04/opini...with-doubt

The least we can do is act as a shit shield.

You're probably right. In my opinion, I think we should be a little more strict about who we put our support behind. The Duke lacrosse players? All for them. Those Steubenville kids that got their lives ruined because a girl got drunk? Let's back them up. This Woody Allen thing is just a bit too murky for me to feel comfortable with defending the guy. Can't fault anyone for wanting to though.

Nobody is defending Woody. We are just talking about the facts. I'm still agnostic about it, but the feminists are the ones who don't see this as murky. They have made their decisions. Without any evidence aside from Farrow's testimony, they are willing to have that guy locked up. The owness is on the accuser to bring proof, not Woody. And she'd better be not lying about these claims or else she'd be not only committing one of the worst kinds of libel, but she'd also be doing a disservice to actual rape victims the world over.

[Deluge]

(02-05-2014 03:13 AM)dads Wrote:  

Those Steubenville kids that got their lives ruined because a girl got drunk? Let's back them up.

The girl in the Steubenville rape case was unconscious and onlookers took videos and pictures which document that. You really want to back those guys up?

[Benoit]

I just don't trust anything that comes out of Mia Farrow.

They F*** You Up: How to Survive Family Life by Oliver James

Quote:

The actress Mia Farrow was born the fifth out of eight children. At nineteen, she expressed regret about this, telling a newspaper reporter that "A child needs more love and affection than you can get in a large family." At twenty-five, she gave birth to her own first children (twins), and soon afterward a son followed. Now she could give them that life in a moderately sized family that she had never had herself. Yet within a year she had adopted two Vietnamese infants. Over the next twelve years she produced one other child and adopted a further six. In all, twelve children called her "mother." Today, she says: "The benefits of large families are enormous. I want to re-create my childhood environment."

[Dagonet]

Woody's other adopted son, Moses, has now chimed in. Keep in mind that he is 8 years older than Dylan, and was 15 and had a much clearer perspective of the situation than the 7-year-old girl. Another blow to the feminist victim narrative.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/dy...ody-677321

"My mother drummed it into me to hate my father for tearing apart the family and sexually molesting my sister," said Moses in an exclusive interview with People. "And I hated him for her for years. I see now that this was a vengeful way to pay him back for falling in love with Soon-Yi [Previn]."

"Of course Woody did not molest my sister," he continued. "She loved him and looked forward to seeing him when he would visit. She never hid from him until our mother succeeded in creating the atmosphere of fear and hate towards him. The day in question, there were six or seven of us in the house. We were all in public rooms and no one, not my father or sister, was off in any private spaces. My mother was conveniently out shopping. I don’t know if my sister really believes she was molested or is trying to please her mother. Pleasing my mother was very powerful motivation because to be on her wrong side was horrible."

Moses, who is a family therapist, accused Mia of abusing him in a different way. "Our mother has misled the public into believing it was a happy household of both biological and adopted children," he said. "From an early age, my mother demanded obedience and I was often hit as a child. She went into unbridled rages if we angered her, which was intimidating at the very least and often horrifying, leaving us not knowing what she would do."

He added, "I think my sister is missing a great deal in life in not reconnecting with her father, who had always adored her… It’s important that she assert her independence from our mother and not go through life with the false impression that she has been molested by my father. I am very happy I have come into my own power, separating from my mother, which has led to a positive reunion with my father."

[soup]

(02-05-2014 02:44 PM)Dagonet Wrote:  

Woody's other adopted son, Moses, has now chimed in. Keep in mind that he is 8 years older than Dylan, and was 15 and had a much clearer perspective of the situation than the 7-year-old girl. Another blow to the feminist victim narrative.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/dy...ody-677321

"My mother drummed it into me to hate my father for tearing apart the family and sexually molesting my sister," said Moses in an exclusive interview with People. "And I hated him for her for years. I see now that this was a vengeful way to pay him back for falling in love with Soon-Yi [Previn]."

"Of course Woody did not molest my sister," he continued. "She loved him and looked forward to seeing him when he would visit. She never hid from him until our mother succeeded in creating the atmosphere of fear and hate towards him. The day in question, there were six or seven of us in the house. We were all in public rooms and no one, not my father or sister, was off in any private spaces. My mother was conveniently out shopping. I don’t know if my sister really believes she was molested or is trying to please her mother. Pleasing my mother was very powerful motivation because to be on her wrong side was horrible."

Moses, who is a family therapist, accused Mia of abusing him in a different way. "Our mother has misled the public into believing it was a happy household of both biological and adopted children," he said. "From an early age, my mother demanded obedience and I was often hit as a child. She went into unbridled rages if we angered her, which was intimidating at the very least and often horrifying, leaving us not knowing what she would do."

He added, "I think my sister is missing a great deal in life in not reconnecting with her father, who had always adored her… It’s important that she assert her independence from our mother and not go through life with the false impression that she has been molested by my father. I am very happy I have come into my own power, separating from my mother, which has led to a positive reunion with my father."

Wow... just, wow. The question now is, will the feminists post scathing articles about how Mia Farrow hit and abused her son? IF they don't, then they are the biggest hypocrites in the world.

Of course they won't, and of course they are.

[Dagonet]

The hits just keep on coming. From an interview in 1992:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/wo...ult-677870

Allen added that it's "illogical" that in the middle of a contentious custody fight he would drive up to Connecticut to a family that's turned against him and use that visit to molest his child.

During the 60 Minutes interview, Allen repeatedly called the allegations "insane" and "incredible." He also discussed how Mia began making vicious death threats against him, including calling him in the middle of the night and saying she's going to kill him, and referring to him as the devil incarnate and a child molester, after she found out that he'd been having an affair with her adopted daughter Soon-Yi Previn.

In fact, he said she even called him a month before the alleged sexual assault occurred and told him, "I have something very nasty planned for you." She also repeatedly told him, according to Allen, "You took my daughter, and I'm going to take yours."

[Farmageddon]

I could not give two shits whether or not Woody Allen fucked a bunch of kids. His movies are still genius and absolutely hilarious. "Love & Death" was my favorite movie for the longest time. I don't care about the personal lives of artists; if Hitler had painted "Starry Nights" it would still be just as beautiful.

[Dagonet]

Agreed.

Also: "(Dylan) says she and her husband met through an ad on The Onion."

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,...92,00.html

Troll level: infinite.

[The Lizard of Oz]

(02-06-2014 05:22 PM)Farmageddon Wrote:  

I could not give two shits whether or not Woody Allen fucked a bunch of kids. His movies are still genius and absolutely hilarious. "Love & Death" was my favorite movie for the longest time. I don't care about the personal lives of artists; if Hitler had painted "Starry Nights" it would still be just as beautiful.

Fair enough, but it's also worth noting that there is no evidence whatsoever that Woody ever touched one single kid let alone "fucked a bunch" of them. That's really the point of the thread.

[soup]

Dagonet are you saying that the crying rape is the highest form of trolling?

[Dagonet]

That could very well be true, but I just meant that her entire life (and all these public histrionics) seems like a giant joke or troll. Particularly-- she met her husband on the dating section of THE ONION???

[Ensam]

Woody Allen published a response in the NYT. Worth a read.

Quote:

Meanwhile the Connecticut police turned for help to a special investigative unit they relied on in such cases, the Child Sexual Abuse Clinic of the Yale-New Haven Hospital. This group of impartial, experienced men and women whom the district attorney looked to for guidance as to whether to prosecute, spent months doing a meticulous investigation, interviewing everyone concerned, and checking every piece of evidence. Finally they wrote their conclusion which I quote here: “It is our expert opinion that Dylan was not sexually abused by Mr. Allen. Further, we believe that Dylan’s statements on videotape and her statements to us during our evaluation do not refer to actual events that occurred to her on August 4th, 1992... In developing our opinion we considered three hypotheses to explain Dylan’s statements. First, that Dylan’s statements were true and that Mr. Allen had sexually abused her; second, that Dylan’s statements were not true but were made up by an emotionally vulnerable child who was caught up in a disturbed family and who was responding to the stresses in the family; and third, that Dylan was coached or influenced by her mother, Ms. Farrow. While we can conclude that Dylan was not sexually abused, we can not be definite about whether the second formulation by itself or the third formulation by itself is true. We believe that it is more likely that a combination of these two formulations best explains Dylan’s allegations of sexual abuse.”

Motive?

Quote:

Ronan I didn’t know well because Mia would never let me get close to him from the moment he was born and Dylan, whom I adored and was very close to and about whom Mia called my sister in a rage and said, “He took my daughter, now I’ll take his.” I never saw her again nor was I able to speak with her no matter how hard I tried.

He brings up a great point re. Ronan.

Quote:

I pause here for a quick word on the Ronan situation. Is he my son or, as Mia suggests, Frank Sinatra’s? Granted, he looks a lot like Frank with the blue eyes and facial features, but if so what does this say? That all during the custody hearing Mia lied under oath and falsely represented Ronan as our son? Even if he is not Frank’s, the possibility she raises that he could be, indicates she was secretly intimate with him during our years. Not to mention all the money I paid for child support. Was I supporting Frank’s son? Again, I want to call attention to the integrity and honesty of a person who conducts her life like that.

Waiting for a feminist to call slut shaming it 3... 2... 1...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/opinio...s-out.html

[Dagonet]

Awesome. This shit is escalating every day.

Woody's piece is excellent and extremely persuasive in exposing what women can do to men in divorce. This should shine a light on "men's rights" but unfortunately, everyone who doesn't already side with men's rights has probably already condemned Woody because of the feminist narrative.

[Dagonet]

What was the worst thing Woody supposedly did to her? Touched her vagina a little while she played with trains? The doctors examined her and her hymen was intact. It's not like Jerry Sandusky who fucked 12 little boys' anuses. That might be the dumbest part of this Woody Allen case. Sorry but a father probably has rubbed his baby daughter's pussy by accident while wiping her ass anyway. Unpopular opinion outside this forum, but without her mom and feminists telling her a monstrous act was done to her, even if the allegations were true it wasn't that big a deal.

[The Lizard of Oz]

Dagonet, I agree but I don't think there is any need to speculate on how bad the allegations would be if they were true -- nothing to be gained from that sort of speculation. All that needs to be said is that there is absolutely no reason to believe they are true, and not only that, but there are very good reasons to believe they are false, ludicrous and malicious. Woody's response is great and speaks for itself. That's really all that needs to be said.

[Dagonet]

Agreed, just wanted to air that other opinion as well. There's pretty much nowhere you can safely express a thought like that except the RVF.

[Eldon]

After reading the articles/columns by Dylan, Woody, Weide, and Orth I don't know who to believe. Child abuse is heinous but so are false accusations.

Check out the documentary "Capturing the Friedmans" if you havent already about a community in Long Island that went hysterical in concocting false allegations of child rape. The interesting thing is the teacher accused of rape was an admitted pedophile but he probably didn't molest the kids in question.

And this is a good a time as any to recall Wood-yi's first appearance on the Howard Stern show:
http://youtu.be/SKuMWCpxoj4

[Christian McQueen]

(02-07-2014 10:20 PM)Dagonet Wrote:  

What was the worst thing Woody supposedly did to her? Touched her vagina a little while she played with trains? The doctors examined her and her hymen was intact. It's not like Jerry Sandusky who fucked 12 little boys' anuses. That might be the dumbest part of this Woody Allen case. Sorry but a father probably has rubbed his baby daughter's pussy by accident while wiping her ass anyway. Unpopular opinion outside this forum, but without her mom and feminists telling her a monstrous act was done to her, even if the allegations were true it wasn't that big a deal.

[Sp5]

1. Mia is as good example of a crazy vengeful bitch as you can get. She's not the mother of Rosemary's Baby, she is Rosemary's Baby - spawn of the Devil.

2. If it was an ordinary working schlub accused by a demented woman instead of Woody Allen, the DA would not have taken the time and the resources to have a team from Yale Medical investigate. It would have gone right to a Grand Jury, with little Dylan and tearful Mia guaranteeing an indictment. Then Woody would have had to endure bail hearings and a trial. The DA did it the right way, but it's just another example of how only the prominent and powerful get justice.

3. Can Ronan sing?

[Onto]

Woody strikes back!! What a great letter he wrote. I hope this becomes a wake up call for this country.

http://pagesix.com/2014/02/08/woody-alle...-smear-me/