"Female first, wife second"
Quote: (01-20-2014 11:46 AM)rhino Wrote:
"DEAR ABBY: I'm thinking about marrying my longtime boyfriend, but I'm hesitant because he wants me to change my last name. I want to keep my maiden name as my mother did. Most of the women I look up to in my life kept their names.
She specifically says she wants to keep her maiden name as her mother did. So the respecting the father over the husband aspect doesn't really come in to play for her.
It's largely a cultural thing and I don't think it means much in and of itself, in Iceland all women take their fathers first name + dottir, so Bjork's lastname Guðmundsdóttir. Her dad's name is Guðmundur Gunnarsson and her mom's name is Hildur Rúna Hauksdóttir meaning her two grandfathers are Gunnar and Hauk. But I think in the US a woman who doesn't want to take your last name is a huge red flag because it's bucking a cultural tradition for the sake of independence from the relationship. If she has a professional reason for keeping her maiden name then she should keep using it like a pen name and change everything official over to your last name.
Quote: (01-21-2014 02:05 PM)frenchie Wrote:
This is a metric by which to marry a girl. I've said it to a few women that if my girlfriend wouldn't take my last name I would call off the engagement.
It's a number 1 thing on my list and the ULTIMATE shit test to perform on your girl. There is only one right answer and that is, "I will take your last name and be PROUD of it!"
I agree, its like a litmus test. All the girls I know who want to keep their own name are unbangable or annoying. One girl in my class said she'd take her husband's last name, so long as their children took her name. Anyone who's up for that is tragic.
Quote: (01-21-2014 03:37 PM)Cyr Wrote:
I agree, its like a litmus test. All the girls I know who want to keep their own name are unbangable or annoying. One girl in my class said she'd take her husband's last name, so long as their children took her name. Anyone who's up for that is tragic.
How does that lack of logic work? Please say she is hideous and no one will breed with her.
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To provide contrast I will mention that when my Eastern European girlfried recently started spaking marriage one of her arguments was - "then I will be able to wear your surname".
This is how it's supposed to be - women should be thirsty to have man's name. Accept nothing less and teach other men to accept nothing less.
This is how it's supposed to be - women should be thirsty to have man's name. Accept nothing less and teach other men to accept nothing less.
As the jews say, you can always be certain who the mother is and never be certain who the father is. So a real 'red pill' culture would give children the last names of their mothers.
Quote: (01-21-2014 03:44 PM)samsamsam Wrote:
Quote: (01-21-2014 03:37 PM)Cyr Wrote:
I agree, its like a litmus test. All the girls I know who want to keep their own name are unbangable or annoying. One girl in my class said she'd take her husband's last name, so long as their children took her name. Anyone who's up for that is tragic.
How does that lack of logic work? Please say she is hideous and no one will breed with her.
She's not great, probably like a 5.5. She's got decent fundamentals (big tits and a nice ass) but a weird face and her haircut make her looks like a 70s trannie (not even that short just really bad).
Quote: (01-21-2014 03:50 PM)Ensam Wrote:
As the jews say, you can always be certain who the mother is and never be certain who the father is. So a real 'red pill' culture would give children the last names of their mothers.
Bullshit. If that's the case, then why do Jewish children take on the name of the father? I'll tell you why. By the children taking on the father's surname, he is taking ownership and responsibility of said kids.
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Judaism is passed down matrilineally, so a child of a Gentile mother and Jewish father would not be considered defaultly jewish no matter whose name they took. I asked a jewish friend about this once and he said, "the mother always, the father never". Can't get more red pill than that.
I understand that the religious line is passed through the mother for the reason you said. However, you claim that the kids should get the mother's name. If that's the case, why do the children get the father's name?
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Quote: (01-21-2014 03:50 PM)Ensam Wrote:
As the jews say, you can always be certain who the mother is and never be certain who the father is. So a real 'red pill' culture would give children the last names of their mothers.
Wrong. In naturally red pill societies last names of their mothers were given to bastards - children birthed outside marriage. These children belonged to their mother, because father could be unknown. These children had no rights to titles or properties of their father.
If a child was legitimate - born in marriage then he got his fathers name and could pretend to suceed titles and properties from him. These children belonget to their father. Mother had no rights to these children if something similar to divorce ever happened.
Quote: (01-21-2014 04:16 PM)teh_skeeze Wrote:
I understand that the religious line is passed through the mother for the reason you said. However, you claim that the kids should get the mother's name. If that's the case, why do the children get the father's name?
Because there's always the possibility that the mother cuckolded the husband. To pretend that marriage would prevent a woman from sleeping with anybody else is very 'blue pill'.
Quote: (01-21-2014 04:20 PM)Mage Wrote:
Quote: (01-21-2014 03:50 PM)Ensam Wrote:
As the jews say, you can always be certain who the mother is and never be certain who the father is. So a real 'red pill' culture would give children the last names of their mothers.
Wrong. In naturally red pill societies last names of their mothers were given to bastards - children birthed outside marriage. These children belonged to their mother, because father could be unknown. These children had no rights to titles or properties of their father.
If a child was legitimate - born in marriage then he got his fathers name and could pretend to suceed titles and properties from him. These children belonget to their father. Mother had no rights to these children if something similar to divorce ever happened.
I would make the exact opposite argument. A patrilineal naming system makes no allowance for cuckoldry by assuming that any issue from the marriage is from the husband. That's male hamsterism at its finest.
Except for the fact that we have DNA testing now. You don't sign anything until you have confirmation. A father gains nothing from reproducing if the sons don't carry on his name. Your suggestion would only lead to a nation of bastards.
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Quote: (01-21-2014 04:28 PM)Ensam Wrote:
I would make the exact opposite argument. A patrilineal naming system makes no allowance for cuckoldry by assuming that any issue from the marriage is from the husband. That's male hamsterism at its finest.
As I said children born in marriage belonged to father. He could do with them what he considered to be fit. There are many options how to deal with a child that doesn't look like you - send him to cloister, work him to death, exclude him from inheritance, bring him to forest and leave him there...
"Sweetie, can you help me bring in these groceries?"
"Can't babe, game's on. Man first, husband second."
"You have been staring at our waitress's tits all night!"
"Hey...man first, husband second."
"I'm being mugged! Do something!"
"You're on your own, he's got a gun. Man first, husband second."
"Can't babe, game's on. Man first, husband second."
"You have been staring at our waitress's tits all night!"
"Hey...man first, husband second."
"I'm being mugged! Do something!"
"You're on your own, he's got a gun. Man first, husband second."
Quote: (01-21-2014 04:28 PM)Ensam Wrote:
Because there's always the possibility that the mother cuckolded the husband. To pretend that marriage would prevent a woman from sleeping with anybody else is very 'blue pill'.
Do you know the red pill origin of Honeymoon? Honeymoon is not meant for entertainment. It is a period of straight after marriage when woman is not separated from husband and they make love excessively to conceive the firstborn child who would then be the heir of the husband. This is done to ensure that this child is definately husbands.
As for later children - understand that cheating was never so easy as in today's urban anonimity. With a woman working at home surrounded by mans grandparents, ten children and the keen eyes of old neighbour gossip loving women it was much harder and much more shunned.
There are certain standards and tests a man must perform on his woman to assure himself that she is worth keeping around.
Among those are the "last name test" and the "prenuptial agreement" test.
If a woman is unwilling to change her last name, it's close to becoming an instant deal breaker. Because it reveals an inner desire to refuse submission to you. Which is the sine qua non of all marriages. Take it from me, guys. Been there, done that.
The other test is the prenup test. Draft a prenup and present it to her. Any hesitation, any equivocation, any resistance translates into: bad sign.
It doesn't even matter if you intend to use the prenup or not. Legally, prenups don't have as much power as you think they do, but that's not the point. The point is: this is a shit-test from us to them. Any discomfort about signing a prenup means that she is is being less than open, honest, and truthful.
Any woman dealing with you honestly will not hesitate to sign a prenup.
Stop accepting shit-tests from women. Start giving them shit-tests.
Among those are the "last name test" and the "prenuptial agreement" test.
If a woman is unwilling to change her last name, it's close to becoming an instant deal breaker. Because it reveals an inner desire to refuse submission to you. Which is the sine qua non of all marriages. Take it from me, guys. Been there, done that.
The other test is the prenup test. Draft a prenup and present it to her. Any hesitation, any equivocation, any resistance translates into: bad sign.
It doesn't even matter if you intend to use the prenup or not. Legally, prenups don't have as much power as you think they do, but that's not the point. The point is: this is a shit-test from us to them. Any discomfort about signing a prenup means that she is is being less than open, honest, and truthful.
Any woman dealing with you honestly will not hesitate to sign a prenup.
Stop accepting shit-tests from women. Start giving them shit-tests.
I'm thinking I'd turn it around, I can just imagine a girl to say, "Are you going to want me to take your name?" and I'd turn it around with, "I don't know about that yet... I'm pretty proud of my family name."
Theres a lot of good stuff here already been said that's spot on, but I can't help but throw my 2 bits in.
First of all, while most people's actions are openly telling, it's prudent to try and understand the context (circumstances). In the case of the original Dear Abbey letter, the bitch clearly makes it known she's about female empowerment and that's her driving force. I appreciate rastignac's hypothesis that a woman keeping her Father's name may be an ode to the Masculne and in some rare circumstances that could certainly be the case, but it's not here.
When I knocked up the local barslut some 16 years ago she said she would "let" my child have my last name if I agreed not to have a paternity test done. Needless to say my child doesn't have my last name, but she never would've held her end of the bargain anyways because she was all about "negating" the Father and being masculine herself. Her giving the child her last name was a symbolic way of achieving that.
Next, there's a lot of talk about what feminism is and how it came to be. This is what I've seen to be the case. Feminism is a misnomer because it's used to describe how a woman should be masculine in the world. Of course, women don't know the first thing of what it means to be a true man, so they end up acting like undeveloped teenage boys most of their lives.
So how did feminism come about anyways? They will tell you it's because men treated women so poorly, they abandoned them, beat them, would make them wash the floor with their tongues, and God knows what other atrocities on a daily basis since the dawn of time.
The real truth, is that women became very dissatisfied and bored with their lives. They felt something was missing, but couldn't quite place their finger on what it was. Naturally they look at their husband and see how his role in life is so opposite of hers, so the grass must be greener over there. He has it good, and is living the good life every day since he doesn't have to do any of things I am doing. Of course women don't see all the work that comes with being a "responsible" man in the world. Having to make hard decisions, sacrifice desires, and contend with all the other men in the world who are fighting to bring home a piece of the world pie for their family to eat. Having to make sure the contractors and mechanics are honest and fair and doing good work, protecting their family and community from evil, and all the rest of the negativity men have to suffer day to day.
It's not easy being a real man. Wasn't then, and isn't now really. At least then, we had the support of a loving wife who would create a world for us to come home to after fighting all day out in the trenches. Now that's gone too.
Lastly, we bitch and complain about feminism and western women, yet we are still fucking them, spending money on them, and giving them our energy. Perhaps feminism will die, when we make a stand and yell like Albert Finney, "I'm mad as hell, and I"m not going to take it anymore!", and we simply stop dating them, stop fucking them, and stop giving them anything at all.
I feel this is the only way, things will change, and the odds of it happening in our lifetime are pretty slim, but this forum is a good start. There is even a national law firm in the US that only takes Father's as clients, and they are very good I heard. Things are changing, but we need to make a stand. I know this is harder to do for younger men, and I'm not saying don't bang girls, I"m just saying don't bang Western ones. Save it for a country where the women deserve you and make your bang heard around the world all the way back home.
Ok, rant over.
First of all, while most people's actions are openly telling, it's prudent to try and understand the context (circumstances). In the case of the original Dear Abbey letter, the bitch clearly makes it known she's about female empowerment and that's her driving force. I appreciate rastignac's hypothesis that a woman keeping her Father's name may be an ode to the Masculne and in some rare circumstances that could certainly be the case, but it's not here.
When I knocked up the local barslut some 16 years ago she said she would "let" my child have my last name if I agreed not to have a paternity test done. Needless to say my child doesn't have my last name, but she never would've held her end of the bargain anyways because she was all about "negating" the Father and being masculine herself. Her giving the child her last name was a symbolic way of achieving that.
Next, there's a lot of talk about what feminism is and how it came to be. This is what I've seen to be the case. Feminism is a misnomer because it's used to describe how a woman should be masculine in the world. Of course, women don't know the first thing of what it means to be a true man, so they end up acting like undeveloped teenage boys most of their lives.
So how did feminism come about anyways? They will tell you it's because men treated women so poorly, they abandoned them, beat them, would make them wash the floor with their tongues, and God knows what other atrocities on a daily basis since the dawn of time.
The real truth, is that women became very dissatisfied and bored with their lives. They felt something was missing, but couldn't quite place their finger on what it was. Naturally they look at their husband and see how his role in life is so opposite of hers, so the grass must be greener over there. He has it good, and is living the good life every day since he doesn't have to do any of things I am doing. Of course women don't see all the work that comes with being a "responsible" man in the world. Having to make hard decisions, sacrifice desires, and contend with all the other men in the world who are fighting to bring home a piece of the world pie for their family to eat. Having to make sure the contractors and mechanics are honest and fair and doing good work, protecting their family and community from evil, and all the rest of the negativity men have to suffer day to day.
It's not easy being a real man. Wasn't then, and isn't now really. At least then, we had the support of a loving wife who would create a world for us to come home to after fighting all day out in the trenches. Now that's gone too.
Lastly, we bitch and complain about feminism and western women, yet we are still fucking them, spending money on them, and giving them our energy. Perhaps feminism will die, when we make a stand and yell like Albert Finney, "I'm mad as hell, and I"m not going to take it anymore!", and we simply stop dating them, stop fucking them, and stop giving them anything at all.
I feel this is the only way, things will change, and the odds of it happening in our lifetime are pretty slim, but this forum is a good start. There is even a national law firm in the US that only takes Father's as clients, and they are very good I heard. Things are changing, but we need to make a stand. I know this is harder to do for younger men, and I'm not saying don't bang girls, I"m just saying don't bang Western ones. Save it for a country where the women deserve you and make your bang heard around the world all the way back home.
Ok, rant over.
Quote: (01-21-2014 03:37 PM)Cyr Wrote:
Quote: (01-21-2014 02:05 PM)frenchie Wrote:
This is a metric by which to marry a girl. I've said it to a few women that if my girlfriend wouldn't take my last name I would call off the engagement.
It's a number 1 thing on my list and the ULTIMATE shit test to perform on your girl. There is only one right answer and that is, "I will take your last name and be PROUD of it!"
I agree, its like a litmus test. All the girls I know who want to keep their own name are unbangable or annoying. One girl in my class said she'd take her husband's last name, so long as their children took her name. Anyone who's up for that is tragic.
What I keep coming back to: If the details of the current institution of marriage (and family) is up for constant negotiation and redefinition, it ain't much of an institution.
"Equality may perhaps be a right, but no power on earth can ever turn it into a fact."
"Want him to be more of a man? Try being more of a woman!"
"It is easier to be a lover than a husband, for the same reason that it is more difficult to be witty every day, than to say bright things from time to time."
Balzac, Physiology of Marriage
Quote: (01-22-2014 08:08 AM)rastignac Wrote:
Quote: (01-21-2014 03:37 PM)Cyr Wrote:
Quote: (01-21-2014 02:05 PM)frenchie Wrote:
This is a metric by which to marry a girl. I've said it to a few women that if my girlfriend wouldn't take my last name I would call off the engagement.
It's a number 1 thing on my list and the ULTIMATE shit test to perform on your girl. There is only one right answer and that is, "I will take your last name and be PROUD of it!"
I agree, its like a litmus test. All the girls I know who want to keep their own name are unbangable or annoying. One girl in my class said she'd take her husband's last name, so long as their children took her name. Anyone who's up for that is tragic.
What I keep coming back to: If the details of the current institution of marriage (and family) is up for constant negotiation and redefinition, it ain't much of an institution.
That's what has made it such a powerful institution in the past. Everyone involved knew exactly what to expect. Not so much any more.
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Quote: (01-21-2014 08:01 PM)Onto Wrote:
Lastly, we bitch and complain about feminism and western women, yet we are still fucking them, spending money on them, and giving them our energy. Perhaps feminism will die, when we make a stand and yell like Albert Finney, "I'm mad as hell, and I"m not going to take it anymore!", and we simply stop dating them, stop fucking them, and stop giving them anything at all.
GREAT POST.
I think this above is very telling. I don't mess with women in the USA. Far too many pitfalls with the system here. There are good women here, and you can use game here, but there are so many legal risks involved with it, I just avoid it all.
The OP sort of is telling of this. The women here have no respect for the men what so ever. They take what they can and move on. So young guys, remember this and protect yourself as best you can. It is easier to avoid them when you get older and your sex drive dies down, so I can't ask you to avoid them, but protect yourselves.
Quote: (01-22-2014 09:15 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:
Quote: (01-21-2014 08:01 PM)Onto Wrote:
Lastly, we bitch and complain about feminism and western women, yet we are still fucking them, spending money on them, and giving them our energy. Perhaps feminism will die, when we make a stand and yell like Albert Finney, "I'm mad as hell, and I"m not going to take it anymore!", and we simply stop dating them, stop fucking them, and stop giving them anything at all.
That's MGTOW.
There are forums for that, but this one is about banging pussy and still never getting married. The cake and eat it approach.
GREAT POST.
I think this above is very telling. I don't mess with women in the USA. Far too many pitfalls with the system here. There are good women here, and you can use game here, but there are so many legal risks involved with it, I just avoid it all.
The OP sort of is telling of this. The women here have no respect for the men what so ever. They take what they can and move on. So young guys, remember this and protect yourself as best you can. It is easier to avoid them when you get older and your sex drive dies down, so I can't ask you to avoid them, but protect yourselves.
I'm the King of Beijing!
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