[InternationPlayboy]

Most rappers tip like shit to be honest, or don't tip at all. Same with a good number of musicians in general. Movie stars typically tip good though. Athletes can be hit or miss.

For those saying they don't know why they should tip a bartender, not sure if I should take you serious. One reason is because they make $4.5 an hour. If tips existed or not in the states, you'd still be paying for it. If bartenders weren't getting tipped then they restaurants/bars would have to pay them more. Therefore you'd be getting charged more. Tipping is playboy 101. If you aren't tipping, I know for sure the bartender isn't giving you any love. It also makes a girls panties wet when they see you have an in with the bartender and you drink all night for $30. In the long run, it really ends up working out to your advantage if you tip well. You'll end up paying less for the drinks if you frequent the place. Anyone who doesn't tip in America really needs to step up their going out game.

Regarding the argument on black people tipping bad, there really is no arguement to be had. Black people generally tip like shit and anyone who works in the service industry and deal with black people on the reg will tell you the same. It's not racist, it's just true and there's no doubt about it. I actually had to start telling one of my black friends that I wouldn't share bills with him anymore because I was sick of picking up his part of the tip. Really. We were at the bar and the bartender asked if wed like out check together or seperate. He said together and I said, "nope, separate." And told him why. I think it got to him, because after that he started tipping. Not well, but it was an improvement from nothing.

Someone said Brazilians tip like shit. I'd say the contrary. I have friends that agree. To get tipped well from Brazilians you have to bring you're "A" game service. They'll definitely throw some big money around. They were my second best tipping demographic in Miami after Middle Aged white men.

My experience with Jews is actually quite positive. They generally tip better than most other types of people.

The worst tippers are: Asian, African Americans, and any country that speaks a Germanic or Scandinavian language. They Germanics and Scandinavians won't tip more than $2 if their life depended on it. It cracks me up because I know in some of these countries a coke a cola is near $4. Really? You're not even gonna tip me enough for a soda?

Whether you like it or not, tipping is part of American culture, and a lot of times your service will depend on it. The other day I loaded a shit ton of bags in my car for an ausi, who tipped me $2 before the ride. Once I got him to where he was going, I just dumped the bags on the sidewalk and made him fend for himself. If he would have thrown me a $10 or 20 he would have had help getting those bags where they needed to go. Why would I spend a half hour helping the dude for $2 when I could go back and likely make $10-20 dollars in that half hour? It just doesn't make sense. Would you work for $4 an hour? I tell you what, I bet that son of a bitch tips the next guy well that handles his bags, cause I'm sure they weren't fun to deal with. And I'm pretty sure he caught what was going on.

[scotian]

Can one of you guys please enlighten me as to where you consistently recieve good service outside of North America? To me, good service is king, when I arrive in a new city, I'll hit up several restaurants in the first few days and return to the ones that serve me best, even in countries that don't have a tipping culture. I don't give a fuck, I want every server in that place to know that I"m the dumb ass gringo who is going to leave a 20% tip and I'm willing to pay for it. I want my food served fast and my drink refilled God dammit and if a server understands that, they're getting paid for it. I also couldn't care less if you are a cheap ass Brit or a Gringo on a budget worried about the locals expecting tips, its guys like me causing that problem for you broke ass mother fuckers, I hope tipping and good service catches on all over the world and I'll laugh at you dick heads complaining about tipping haha.

[InternationPlayboy]

^ exactly. If you tip well enough, you can get just about anything you want. Don't expect nothing but bare minimum service if you don't tip, but if you tip well, shit, you can find just about anything. Want advice on where is hot in town? Guarantee your bartender knows. You throw him a good tip he'll tell you where to go off the beaten path and away from all the lame tourists.

[Kabal]

(12-28-2013 05:50 AM)scotian Wrote:  

Can one of you guys please enlighten me as to where you consistently recieve good service outside of North America?

Taiwan.

[Felix88]

I prefer the services in Japan

[InternationPlayboy]

Yeah, but how much are you paying for those services in japan? I know it isn't cheap. Either way you are paying for good service.

[Ubietza]

(12-28-2013 04:56 AM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

Most rappers tip like shit to be honest, or don't tip at all. Same with a good number of musicians in general. Movie stars typically tip good though. Athletes can be hit or miss.

For those saying they don't know why they should tip a bartender, not sure if I should take you serious. One reason is because they make $4.5 an hour. If tips existed or not in the states, you'd still be paying for it. If bartenders weren't getting tipped then they restaurants/bars would have to pay them more. Therefore you'd be getting charged more. Tipping is playboy 101. If you aren't tipping, I know for sure the bartender isn't giving you any love. It also makes a girls panties wet when they see you have an in with the bartender and you drink all night for $30. In the long run, it really ends up working out to your advantage if you tip well. You'll end up paying less for the drinks if you frequent the place. Anyone who doesn't tip in America really needs to step up their going out game.

Regarding the argument on black people tipping bad, there really is no arguement to be had. Black people generally tip like shit and anyone who works in the service industry and deal with black people on the reg will tell you the same. It's not racist, it's just true and there's no doubt about it. I actually had to start telling one of my black friends that I wouldn't share bills with him anymore because I was sick of picking up his part of the tip. Really. We were at the bar and the bartender asked if wed like out check together or seperate. He said together and I said, "nope, separate." And told him why. I think it got to him, because after that he started tipping. Not well, but it was an improvement from nothing.

Someone said Brazilians tip like shit. I'd say the contrary. I have friends that agree. To get tipped well from Brazilians you have to bring you're "A" game service. They'll definitely throw some big money around. They were my second best tipping demographic in Miami after Middle Aged white men.

My experience with Jews is actually quite positive. They generally tip better than most other types of people.

The worst tippers are: Asian, African Americans, and any country that speaks a Germanic or Scandinavian language. They Germanics and Scandinavians won't tip more than $2 if their life depended on it. It cracks me up because I know in some of these countries a coke a cola is near $4. Really? You're not even gonna tip me enough for a soda?

Whether you like it or not, tipping is part of American culture, and a lot of times your service will depend on it. The other day I loaded a shit ton of bags in my car for an ausi, who tipped me $2 before the ride. Once I got him to where he was going, I just dumped the bags on the sidewalk and made him fend for himself. If he would have thrown me a $10 or 20 he would have had help getting those bags where they needed to go. Why would I spend a half hour helping the dude for $2 when I could go back and likely make $10-20 dollars in that half hour? It just doesn't make sense. Would you work for $4 an hour? I tell you what, I bet that son of a bitch tips the next guy well that handles his bags, cause I'm sure they weren't fun to deal with. And I'm pretty sure he caught what was going on.

I deal with rich Brazilians coming from Brazil and not from Miami, so my observations are based on those. I've been tipped out by Brazilian groups twice in my life and this spans various service-based jobs over a few years now. Also, the Jews I was pointing out were almost wholly from Israel, which I didn't point-out originally. I've never seen such obnoxious, loud, smelly, cheap, and braggadocious people such as them.

[Veloce]

Several restauranteurs in NYC are considering doing away with tips and including the service charge on the price of the menu items.

No real way to tell how that'll play out until it happens, but it's not a bad idea. Most restaurants pool tips anyway so it's not like one server makes more than another because they're a better server. Those days are mostly over.

In San Francisco and pacific northwest, it's common for cooks to be tipped out. Not much, like 1-3%, but it's a well-deserved gesture. A decent cocktail bartender puts a lot of work into each drink so they deserve a couple bucks, sure. But cooks put in WAY more work into your meal.

That said, I could never work a floor, at least not in L.A. I have no tolerance for bullshit and I'd be kicking people out left and right. You basically tip out servers so that they let themselves be a punching bag to the dining public.

All that said, I know most celebs are good tippers. I worked in Brentwood and Joe Pesci, Reese Witherspoon, Jim Carey, Michael Keaton, Ben Affleck among others were all regulars. I'd always inquire about their tipping habits and I can't remember one instance when it was less than 20% When I go out I give 15% unless the service goes above and beyond.

Except Fergie. Fuck that bitch. I've got some bad blood with her.

[reaper23]

(12-27-2013 06:01 PM)Flavius Aetius Wrote:  

Why do people get a tip for doing their job? Funny--I work 7:00 am to usually 5-6pm. I don't get tips for doing good work--I am expected to always do good work. Same thing with the people who work for minimum wage at McDonald's --they don't get tips either (and usually do a good job).

Tipping is just another way for corporations to externalize costs onto their patrons, especially at high end hipster bars and restaurants. Under federal law, tips can be included in an employee's compensation calculation so that restaurant owners do not have to pay the full stated minimum hourly rate.

If some pretentious strumpet asks for my ID (I am 26 and usually in a suit)-- I tell her that just like her company, which has a policy of checking ID's, I have a policy of not tipping servers when asked to show my ID.

If she insists and guests are present, I will oblige and quip that at my age I take it as a compliment. Then, when the check comes she gets a goose egg with a sentence explaining to her that I don't show my ID to anyone.

I know you think this makes you really cool, but it doesn't.

Yes, tips are a way to externalize costs. But haven't you thought this through yet? If the bar had to pay the bartender the same salary, drinks and food would be that much more...across the board.

You're paying, one way or the other.

Hassling a door girl or a waitress like that is the farthest thing from smooth. why harass a poor girl that is making shit money when you're a "baller" in a suit?

Just trying to help you out, bro.

are you sure you're not trolling?

[reaper23]

(12-28-2013 02:50 AM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 01:59 AM)yb13 Wrote:  

In the US, servers and bartenders are essentially unpaid by their "employers" as they rely on the 20%+ tips to survive.

But that's just it. Why should customers have to participate in the arbitrary service known as tipping simply because the restaurant owners are too fucking irresponsible to pay their waitstaff a living wage?

you either pay their salary in tip form or via higher drink prices

at least with tipping you can sway things in your favor

[MHaes]

(12-28-2013 06:27 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

Except Fergie. Fuck that bitch. I've got some bad blood with her.

Details! Give us the details!

[blkgatsby]

FYI a drink is usually $12-15. Tipping $1 a drink is on par. Do you service cats expect celebs to rain money on the servers?

[Tuthmosis]

(12-28-2013 06:27 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

Except Fergie. Fuck that bitch. I've got some bad blood with her.

[Veloce]

Haha...won't go into too much detail. Let's just say we don't appreciate each others' taste in music.

[Flavius Aetius]

(12-28-2013 06:29 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  

Yes, tips are a way to externalize costs. But haven't you thought this through yet? If the bar had to pay the bartender the same salary, drinks and food would be that much more...across the board.

You're paying, one way or the other.

Wrong. I let the more altruistically inclined people give 20-40% tips and let them subsidize my low/no tipping policy. Best of both worlds.

[Enigma]

(12-28-2013 06:29 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  

I know you think this makes you really cool, but it doesn't.

Yes, tips are a way to externalize costs. But haven't you thought this through yet? If the bar had to pay the bartender the same salary, drinks and food would be that much more...across the board.

You're paying, one way or the other.

Hassling a door girl or a waitress like that is the farthest thing from smooth. why harass a poor girl that is making shit money when you're a "baller" in a suit?

Just trying to help you out, bro.

are you sure you're not trolling?

Not to mention checking ID is required by their employer and the law.

The funny thing is that most of the people won't simply withhold the tip out of principle, they have to make up some petty excuse to justify themselves. Even the smallest of slights or mistakes are blown out of proportion.

"How dare you confirm I'm 21! Don't you know I'm a whole five years older than that!? I'm wearing a suit, you peasant"

@dude: I'm curious about the tip pooling thing. It's pretty rare around here, from chains to high end spots.

[reaper23]

(12-28-2013 07:49 PM)Flavius Aetius Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 06:29 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  

Yes, tips are a way to externalize costs. But haven't you thought this through yet? If the bar had to pay the bartender the same salary, drinks and food would be that much more...across the board.

You're paying, one way or the other.

Wrong. I let the more altruistically inclined people give 20-40% tips and let them subsidize my low/no tipping policy. Best of both worlds.

You sound like a real baller.

Why bother wearing a suit if you're going to be a cheap ass? Nothing worse than lack of congruency.

[Flavius Aetius]

(12-28-2013 10:15 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 07:49 PM)Flavius Aetius Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 06:29 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  

Yes, tips are a way to externalize costs. But haven't you thought this through yet? If the bar had to pay the bartender the same salary, drinks and food would be that much more...across the board.

You're paying, one way or the other.

Wrong. I let the more altruistically inclined people give 20-40% tips and let them subsidize my low/no tipping policy. Best of both worlds.

You sound like a real baller.

Why bother wearing a suit if you're going to be a cheap ass? Nothing worse than lack of congruency.

I am required to wear a suit for my job. Sometimes I have to go out to dinner with clients. My job is to A)keep current clients happy and B) potentially acquire new clients--not to help anyone else out financially.

Tips are not legally mandated, therefore they are optional. I am not going to let restaurants externalize their costs onto me. My own government already steals nearly half my income anyway. If I was a multi-millionaire/billionaire then I could afford to be more generous.

[Parlay44]

(12-28-2013 07:25 PM)blkgatsby Wrote:  

FYI a drink is usually $12-15. Tipping $1 a drink is on par. Do you service cats expect celebs to rain money on the servers?

For $15 a drink I better get some free peanuts

[reaper23]

(12-28-2013 10:35 PM)Flavius Aetius Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 10:15 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 07:49 PM)Flavius Aetius Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 06:29 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  

Yes, tips are a way to externalize costs. But haven't you thought this through yet? If the bar had to pay the bartender the same salary, drinks and food would be that much more...across the board.

You're paying, one way or the other.

Wrong. I let the more altruistically inclined people give 20-40% tips and let them subsidize my low/no tipping policy. Best of both worlds.

You sound like a real baller.

Why bother wearing a suit if you're going to be a cheap ass? Nothing worse than lack of congruency.

I am required to wear a suit for my job. Sometimes I have to go out to dinner with clients. My job is to A)keep current clients happy and B) potentially acquire new clients--not to help anyone else out financially.

Tips are not legally mandated, therefore they are optional. I am not going to let restaurants externalize their costs onto me. My own government already steals nearly half my income anyway. If I was a multi-millionaire/billionaire then I could afford to be more generous.

If I were your boss I'd tell you not to be a cheap ass in front of clients.

If I were your client I'd think you were a cheap ass and wonder what kind of hassle you would be for me I hired you.

If you really are doing business development or sales and you act like that in front of business associates you have a lot to learn my friend.

You don't have to be a millionaire to tip appropriately.

You are free riding on others. The costs are not externalized on to you. What business are you in where you don't understand that the customer pays always - one way or another?

But go ahead and keep on keepin' on. Your clients are not impressed that you fuck with a 25 year old waitress and stiff her on the tip because she asked you for your ID as required by law.

I'd work on that inner game if I were you - your insecurities both personal and financial are too obvious to those with any experience.

[Flavius Aetius]

(12-28-2013 11:26 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  

If I were your boss I would tell you not to be a cheap ass in front of clients.

If I were your client I'd think you were a cheap ass and wonder what kind of hassle you would be for me I hired you.

If you really are doing business development or sales and you act like that in front of business associates you have a lot to learn my friend.

You are free riding on others. The costs are not externalized on to you. What business are you in where you don't understand that the customer pays always - one way or another?

But go ahead and keep on keepin' on. Your clients are not impressed that you fuck with a 25 year old waitress and stiff her on the tip because she asked you for your ID as required by law.

I'd work on that inner game if I were you - your insecurities both personal and financial are too obvious to those with any experience.

"Attacking the person instead of the argument is condemned in logic"

Your puerile ad hominem attacks don't work--they are logical fallacies which do nothing to support your points-- that generous tipping is somehow mandatory and morally correct.

You still can't tell me why servers/waiters deserve 20%+ tips. Attack me all you want, if that is what you like to do on your Saturday nights. I would prefer a rational debate.

[reaper23]

I've already explained the rational argument, as have others on here. You have chosen to disregard it in favor of your attitude. You are what as known as a free rider.

Since you can't see the logic behind the act of tipping and its advantages over not tipping, I then tried to show you how your actions are perceived by the people around you. Business associates are not impressed by free riders who cop attitudes with servers and bar tenders.

Men congregate here on this board to find ways to be better players and be better with people in general. What you are describing doesn't help you in anyway. No one is impressed by smug attitudes and getting over on people who are servicing you.

I'm trying to help you out here, man.

You're changing your story as we talk which shows that you really are probably just full of it. First it was that you don't tip at all after a waitress has the gall to ask a 26 year old like yourself for ID. Now its, tell me why 20%+ is morally correct and mandatory.

No one said over tipping was mandatory. 15-20% is the proper range for proper service. I personally like to over tip at bars because I like getting exemplary service and being favored over other customers. Overtipping doesn't assure that, but when combined with being a cool and nice guy, it certainly does.

I'm sure you were just talking shit earlier about how you like to stiff people for doing their job, its obvious with your back pedaling so I'll just let it go.

As for my Saturday night I've had a great time watching the UFC and am headed to bed where my naked gf awaits me. But before I do that I'm going to have one of the cookies she baked for me tonight.

[MHaes]

(12-29-2013 12:41 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  

As for my Saturday night I've had a great time watching the UFC and am headed to bed where my naked gf awaits me. But before I do that I'm going to have one of the cookies she baked for me tonight.

But bro, like, isn't that beta? True players don't ever stay in on Saturday nights.

[Flavius Aetius]

(12-29-2013 12:41 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  

I'm trying to help you out here, man.

You're changing your story as we talk which shows that you really are probably just full of it. First it was that you don't tip at all after a waitress has the gall to ask a 26 year old like yourself for ID. Now its, tell me why 20%+ is morally correct and mandatory.

Did you even read my posts above?

1. I don't tip if I get carded. This does not happen all the time so it is usually a mute point. Sorry If I refuse to produce my papers for non law enforcement personnel--Apparently that is taken as attitude.
2. When I do tip it is 5%-7.5% no more. Still against the idea of tipping in general.
3. I was asking you why you think 20% tipping is a good idea--not saying I tip 20%. Too much TV for you. Puts the mind in a zombie like trance.
4. I am a free rider--After being a tax slave to the US government and state of California I'll take any advantage I can.
5. And no--ad hominem attack fallacies do not help anyone.

[reaper23]

Dude, I can't even waste anymore time on this. If you dont see how there is a difference between proclaiming that you don't tip at all which is 0% and then later asking for explanation on why 20%+ tipping is required then I can't help you. The latter leaves open the fact that you do indeed understand why tipping 15% for example is a reasonable and normal thing to do.

Anyway.

Have fun calculating that 7.5% for a round of drinks. Bill: $15. Tip: $1.12

You sound like a fun guy!