[speakeasy]

(12-07-2010 01:25 AM)IshGibbor Wrote:  

I remember a Guyanese man I worked construction with told me that coming home to a wife who loves him and kids that screamed "Daddy! Daddy!" felt better to him then any pussy he ever fucked in the world. I am not sure if I can ever be a committed man but I hope I can get part of that joy in the future.

That's a great quote. I think it's important to get to have your fun while you can. And then find a situation like this guy has later when you look back and say "it was a wild ride, but I'm moving on."

[oldnemesis]

(12-07-2010 02:57 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

That's a great quote. I think it's important to get to have your fun while you can. And then find a situation like this guy has later when you look back and say "it was a wild ride, but I'm moving on."

Great quote. The way I see it that your values change once you are more mature. Things which were important when you were in your 20s suddenly become not important at all when you're in your 40s - bragging about wild parties and threesomes is something that is acceptable for a 25yo, but when 45yo is doing that it sounds just sad. At some point of your life you will likely find out that fucking a lot of girls is not really a life achievement, and there are more worthy things to do with your life. This doesn't mean you'll abandon it completely, just it will be more like "going out once in a while" type of activity, which doesn't consume significant amount of your time anymore.

Also I still cannot understand why a lot of guys have this kind of mentality that getting into LTR (or getting married) means loss of your freedom. It is not; it is basically a trade-off when you trade some freedom for stability. Just choose your partner wisely - and you will be able to still fuck around if this is important to you. I know quite a few couples, ourselves included, who do exactly that.

[speakeasy]

(12-07-2010 06:05 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

Great quote. The way I see it that your values change once you are more mature. Things which were important when you were in your 20s suddenly become not important at all when you're in your 40s - bragging about wild parties and threesomes is something that is acceptable for a 25yo, but when 45yo is doing that it sounds just sad. At some point of your life you will likely find out that fucking a lot of girls is not really a life achievement, and there are more worthy things to do with your life. This doesn't mean you'll abandon it completely, just it will be more like "going out once in a while" type of activity, which doesn't consume significant amount of your time anymore.

What I wonder sometimes is what it is that we are chasing more? The sensational pleasure of pussy itself(which one woman(even an ugly one) for the rest of your life can deliver), or the validation of manhood that the pussy delivers?

[speakeasy]

Having sex without a condom can turn you into a political prisoner:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abra...y_id=78430

Quote:

According to The Raw Story and Crikey, Swedish prosecutors charge that while Mr. Assange did have consentual sex with his two accusers, he allegedly did not use a condom, which, according to The Herald Sun, is against Swedish law. Thus, Swedish authorities are in the process of re-issuing the once-closed arrest warrant for Assange.

I just heard that Assange(the wikileaks founder) is a radical feminist and believes that "all sex is rape", so I feel quite a bit less sorry for him though it's still fucked up what the governments are doing.

[afronoob]

I'm closer to 40,married for a year and will say this:any man who wants to fuck around like a teenager for the rest of his life is seriously suffering a form of arrested development.I've got one kid outside I'm aware of and while its man's nature to spread his seed,settling down with a wife or wives is wired into our DNA . To live otherwise is unnatural;a perpetual adolescence of immediate gratification thats sad.

Quote:

Great quote. The way I see it that your values change once you are more mature. Things which were important when you were in your 20s suddenly become not important at all when you're in your 40s - bragging about wild parties and threesomes is something that is acceptable for a 25yo, but when 45yo is doing that it sounds just sad. At some point of your life you will likely find out that fucking a lot of girls is not really a life achievement, and there are more worthy things to do with your life. This doesn't mean you'll abandon it completely, just it will be more like "going out once in a while" type of activity, which doesn't consume significant amount of your time anymore.

Damn straight!!

Quote:

Also I still cannot understand why a lot of guys have this kind of mentality that getting into LTR (or getting married) means loss of your freedom. It is not; it is basically a trade-off when you trade some freedom for stability. Just choose your partner wisely - and you will be able to still fuck around if this is important to you. I know quite a few couples, ourselves included, who do exactly that.

GASP!! Speakeasy,just to avoid any misunderstanding,could you please expound.

[speakeasy]

^^ I didn't write that.

[Duke Castile]

(12-06-2010 03:51 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(12-06-2010 03:27 PM)Rocco81 Wrote:  

I think kids are still a great thing. I def. believe in applying your energies and skills toward something something great than yourself at some point in life. I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but its just how I feel.

I do think its ok to play and game and have fun for a while, but once you get that "near to perfect" woman who can raise a child with you, I feel like its something to pay back to your culture, nation and people. I def. do not see myself bieng 45 sitting alone in some bar with nothing except my job and a few other divorced alchoholic friends talking about banging all day.

Totally agree, dude. You know what really drove that point home to me? When I was watching the Chilean miners being pulled up live TV. When one of the first miners came up, his son and wife were standing there with tears in their eyes ready to embrace him. Every one of these guys I saw had a family there waiting for him after his long ordeal. If you're a 50 year old PUA, who would be there to greet you? Some booty call you met at a bar last month?

Btw, I'm not judging guys who never want to have families or kids some day. To each his own. I just think it's easy to brush aside in your 20s and 30s, but by 40s, your wants in life may change.

I don't know if I'll ever get married but I will say that when I would come home from deployments in the Army, it was lonely as fuck not having anyone there for you and seeing all these wives run up and kiss their husbands with their kids hugging and crying.

[Kona]

(12-08-2010 02:47 AM)Fisto Wrote:  

I don't know if I'll ever get married but I will say that when I would come home from deployments in the Army, it was lonely as fuck not having anyone there for you and seeing all these wives run up and kiss their husbands with their kids hugging and crying.

I'm with you on that one. I'd feel like shit watching little kids run up to their dads. Or when you were away, the mail didn't mean shit but when kids would send their dads videos. I'd be in some strange city and the only people happy to see me were the day shift strippers.

But then you also see the unhappy guys too. The poor broke dudes sending half their cola then their child support and wifes car payment and cell phone bill so she can talk to some other dirtbag. Just miserable. Constantly complaining about their wives and how they never see the kids. How many wives you know got knocked up when their husband was deployed?

I'll have kids. I don't want to say I'll never get married, but I say a lot of guys lives ripped apart in the military, and I'll be pretty careful about it.

(12-08-2010 02:47 AM)Hydrogonian Wrote:  

I thought I had a good chance of dying from a heart attack from the stress.

That's serious.

3 of my brothers and two of my sisters have kids. 10 grandkids total. The protocol in our family says that whenever a baby issue comes up, the situation is immediately reported to my father. No questions asked. 1 sister and one brother are married, nobody's ever been to court, and the child's best interest is always most important. The old man has always done a great job keeping everyone thinking about that from day one. Stress and bullshit is bad, and it's no way for a member of our family to come into the world.

My father is an amazing man and I'm doing him wrong not moving the bloodline. I can pass what he taught me on the the nieces and nephews but it's not the same. I am confident I'll never have to pay child support or worry about courts or anything like that. My brother knocked up a straight white trash girl from Tennessee. The girl's long gone, but my 5 year old nephew's getting on waves this year and it's pretty crazy to watch.

Aloha!

[oldnemesis]

(12-07-2010 07:59 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

What I wonder sometimes is what it is that we are chasing more? The sensational pleasure of pussy itself(which one woman(even an ugly one) for the rest of your life can deliver), or the validation of manhood that the pussy delivers?

Everyone's reasons are different. To me gaming in USA is mostly to learn more about the culture and informal language; I also use it as "excuse" to keep myself in good shape. True, there is a validation aspect too, but it is much less important to me now than it was, like, five years ago. And based on what older folks say, I expect it to be even less important in five years when I turn 40. Basically you're getting validation from other things, which become more important (and harder to achieve).

A desire to fuck new women alone, without validation, can be easily achieved with sex workers. As I said before, this is usually not an option for guys in their twenties, but typically in your thirties time-money balance shifts toward spending money versus spending time. I've seen it a lot in Thailand, and I see the benefits in US as well. It is not about picking chicks up, it is about dumping them. It is relatively easy to bang a chick in US, but unless it was one-night stand and she knows nothing about you except your first name, it has a chance to get into a high-profile drama which you'll regret for months. This is not a big deal when you're single and working a cashier job, but once you're in relationship and achieved some success in your career, this is not something you may want in your life. This is the main reason I accept sex workers as a solution, but after all I'm very cynical dude which calls things as they are.

[oldnemesis]

(12-08-2010 01:27 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Having sex without a condom can turn you into a political prisoner:

In Sweden. They have some other silly laws there. In Finland, for example, the amount of fine (for example for speeding) depends on your income. To me, those countries are really fucked up.

[Rocco81]

To me the chase is just natural. I have a high testosterone level and I love women, it's as simple as that for me.

To me it's never really been about validation, though at times like any man , its nice to get props for having the hot girl with you...I still just love bieng with a woman, at times, yes a 5,6,7 just because it's there...not for some other motive or game playing, its because I love every last bit of them.

[IshGibbor]

Sleeping with lots of women, once experienced, leaves every subsequent sexual conquest very anticlimactic. Most of the guys that I have asked game advice from, who were heavyweight womanizers mind you, all have got over the allure of womanizing while they were in high school or their college. It is the PUA driven by his intelligence, sex drive and ego that turns sexual consumption into a full fledged lifestyle.

The pick up community has turned the male sex drive into a game,even making it a lifestyle, where collecting flags, bragging about notches and posting pictures of women on message boards becomes a form of psychological validation which is much more powerful then the orgasm they experience when inside a new woman. Any psychiatrist worth a twenty dollar copay would diagnose this as a form of sex addiction, no questions asked.

How else can one justify spending 2000+ plus dollars to go to a foreign country just to have sex with a native, collecting the "flag" in the said country they visit and mounting it in the trophy room of his mind as validation of his manhood and assumed superiority over other men who have not accomplished what he has. Pointing his finger at other men who are stuck in their cubicles with their wives and kids, "trapped" in their IKEA nesting instinct households, "stuck" in their summer BBQs in July or gingerbread house making in December, wishing they could be globe trotting PUA's. Oh those losers, what beta males those guys are.

Speakeasy was right, it is insecurity in one's manhood that drives this enterprise and rest assured, the more followers of the cult of sexual conquest, the more drawn into the game these men will become with other cult members giving them hi-fives, validating their wounded pride and psychological delusion, telling them that they are "alpha males" as they put on their Peoples Temple badges and drink cyanide laced kool aid.

I understand why I fuck lots of women but I don't sugar coat it with I'm an "Alpha Male", "Master PUA", "I'm better then said person" bullshit. I am just overcompensating for my lack of success with the ladies when I was a teenager, nothing more nothing less.

Ish

[Rocco81]

Ish that is one way to look at it. I agree with you about the whole market for the PUA and building off of men's insecurities. Of course its also true that we are all motivated by different things in every aspect of our lives. I do agree that perhaps the biggest gamers and PUA's could very well be the one's that are making up for lost time. The guys that got rejected allot and now have found their nitch and will exploit and game as much as possible to recover the lost time or hurt feelings they had from years ealier.

Where I and many like myself differ, is simply that I dont look for women, for validation. Many guys on here and in real life are always chasing the "9" or "10" and talk about that in a way that suggests, they really are insecure and just want to be seen as a stud and a bad ass by their friends. Then you have guys, who just like what they like (like myself) I realized a long time ago, that if you are into thin Asian girls or curvy black girls, its pretty hard to change that and I didn't spend too much time dwelling on what others might think about the girls I date. I have dated several girls that are domestic, curvy, foreign whatever, and I had a hell of a time experiencing all of them. I certainly knew that some of them werent rated high on my friends scales and others were but I simply didn't care.

The whole thing with the anti-climatic nature of booty, is kind of true too, atleast in as much as it kind of bieng less exciting after the first few times. But much like eating a juicy cheesburger, just because I have had thousands of them, doesn't mean they will ever get old to me. Sex is just as much a part of my life as sleeping, eating, and exercising. Forums like this help me fix gaps and give me new ideas on ways to meet different kinds of women and grow as a person in more ways than just getting booty. I guess its all in how you use it.

I do agree that judging someone a "beta" or a loser just for having a corporate job is weak. I think though, that if you take game out of the equation many of us here are simply talking about lifestyle and how you can make your life more full and meaningfull. Many of us here are stuck in corporate jobs and have crazy mortgages, car bills and at the end of the day aren't very fulfilled. Even an alpha can dig himself into a hole and be unhappy with his life, no matter how much tail he gets. If you take sex out of the equation, a guy slaving away at a cubicle job for shit that he does not need can indeed be sad. This guy could be in Thailand or Brazil working as an English teacher and be happy as hell with a fraction of his $$ in the USA but a realxing daily walk on the beach, healthier food, exercise and of course a woman who might cherish him for who he is and not the BMW he drives or the name plate on his office.

[Duke Castile]

My happiness is my highest moral calling. One thing I enjoy is women. I always have. Women are a fun, stimulating, enterprise. Meeting them in strange foreign lands and having torrid affairs and romance is the stuff that gets my blood moving. Talking about them is fun too. If a guy is truly happy working in his cubicle then more power to him. If he is truly happy with his wife and family, all the best to him. That is not the life I want for myself, and part of the reason for this forum is to share ideas with like minded people about common interests. Each person has his own reasons for game, some are from psychological baggage and others are from sex addiction, while still others are for fun and adventure and so on. It's pretty arrogant to tell everyone what their reasons for living their lives are based on your own issues. I've never had trouble with women, I just want to get better with my interactions, thus my interest in game. My personal reasons for everything I do are for my own rational self interest and I don't make any apology about that. Being judged "beta" by me requires being unoriginal, a complainer about his station in life, a general (willful) ignorance of his ability to change said station, and being driven by insecurities rather than a love of life. I would never bag on someone for having a corporate job unless they were bitching about it. I would never assume my own personal reasons for doing something were the same as others and then impose/self project those reasons for some form of validation. That is the petty, bully, mentality and a sign of intense weakness of character imo.

[JayMillz]

(12-05-2010 12:59 PM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  

Quote:

In the study, published Tuesday by the New England Journal of Medicine, researchers found that the men taking Truvada, a common combination of two antiretroviral drugs, were 44 percent less likely to get infected with the virus that causes AIDS than an equal number taking a placebo.

But when only the men whose blood tests showed that they had taken their pill faithfully every day were considered, the pill was more than 90 percent effective, said Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, head of the infectious diseases division of the National Institutes of Health, which paid for the study along with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/24/health...ekinreview

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/28/weekin...cneil.html

Now if they could only come up with something for the H Bomb(Herpes) I would be in raw dogg heaven.

Anyone taking this on a reg?

[MiXX]

(12-08-2010 05:15 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

once you're in relationship and achieved some success in your career, this is not something you may want in your life.

Amen to that. I deal with this drama of covering my ass daily. I am not in a relationship, but I never know when a woman wants revenge for having buyers remorse after having sex, and flat out yells rape or some bullshit just to get even with me and hoping for a $$$ settlement to avoid public embarrasment.

[Roosh]

I do see Ish's point, but I don't see a single guy here ragging on other men for their lifestyle choices. If anything, they're complaining about their current (or past) situations.

If a man is stuck in a corporate grind and wants to get out, I hope he gets tips on how to do so via the blog and forum, but I know that many men like the stability and routine that comes from such a lifestyle. For them they get plenty of satisfaction from 2 or 3 weeks of vacation a year. In that case I still hope they get value here on where they should go.

There is no cookie-cutter lifestyle that works for everyone, and each man has to find his own path, whether it's money, travel, women, or what have you.

[Easy E]

"I respect guys like Roosh, Mystery and Mixx since I know exactly where they are coming from and anyone who has an holier then thou attitude to their lifestyle is full of shit, especially if you are a man."

Mystery has a daughter. See the link below.

http://www.latinstylez.com/mystery-and-his-family/

Like most guys, even Mystery "found the calling." Picking up chicks is great, but eventually you get old.

Then what?

Continue running game until you are so old you have to pay for it?

No, thanks.

[bigbootyluvr]

(12-06-2010 01:31 AM)Kona Wrote:  

(12-05-2010 11:19 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

hell no..I would never take that, nor would I ever get a vasectomy. You don't know what the side effects of either would be.

Exactly. Don't fix whats not broken. (or however that goes)

Lot's of these guys sound like they fear the pregnancy. For the younger guys I understand that. But for me at 34, I'm kind of wondering when I'm gonna knock one of these girls up.

I would welcome a child at this point in my life. I gotta spread the seed.

Any of you older guys thinking like me?

Aloha!

I am, Kona. I'm 35. My career is established. I'm looking for a reasonably intelligent beautiful woman with good genetics to mate with. lol. I don't even have to love her, just 'like' her enough for the kid's sake.

[Duke Castile]

(12-15-2010 02:47 AM)Easy E Wrote:  

"I respect guys like Roosh, Mystery and Mixx since I know exactly where they are coming from and anyone who has an holier then thou attitude to their lifestyle is full of shit, especially if you are a man."

Mystery has a daughter. See the link below.

http://www.latinstylez.com/mystery-and-his-family/

Like most guys, even Mystery "found the calling." Picking up chicks is great, but eventually you get old.

Then what?

Continue running game until you are so old you have to pay for it?

No, thanks.

So for you it's about being afraid to be alone?

[kimleebj]

(12-15-2010 02:47 AM)Easy E Wrote:  

Mystery has a daughter.
...
Like most guys, even Mystery "found the calling." Picking up chicks is great, but eventually you get old.

IIRC Mystery said he did not intend that pregnancy, but loves his daughter. He lives in the U.S., while the mother and daughter live in England.

Do not emulate Mystery's mistakes; use a condom.

[MiXX]

(12-15-2010 05:01 AM)bigbootyluvr Wrote:  

(12-06-2010 01:31 AM)Kona Wrote:  

(12-05-2010 11:19 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

hell no..I would never take that, nor would I ever get a vasectomy. You don't know what the side effects of either would be.

Exactly. Don't fix whats not broken. (or however that goes)

Lot's of these guys sound like they fear the pregnancy. For the younger guys I understand that. But for me at 34, I'm kind of wondering when I'm gonna knock one of these girls up.

I would welcome a child at this point in my life. I gotta spread the seed.

Any of you older guys thinking like me?

Aloha!

I am, Kona. I'm 35. My career is established. I'm looking for a reasonably intelligent beautiful woman with good genetics to mate with. lol. I don't even have to love her, just 'like' her enough for the kid's sake.

I'm 36, and would love a little Mixx or little girl as well, BUT, I have a huge problem trusting a woman once she fully knows my lifestyle, assets and what not and changing on me. It happens to me all the time, and I'm not talking about club ho's......I once dated a VP of finance of a very successful US bank, a female US Consulate of a central American country, and even dated a heart surgeon...all of them changed on me when they integrated with my lifestyle, and not for the better. They became royally stuck up...and bitchy.

I'm afraid of getting a woman pregnant, not because I am afraid of responsibility, I'm afraid of women who will try to control me, my potential kid if she does not get her way.

I sometimes wonder if a successful lifestyle will be my biggest failure as a family man. A pre-nup does not mean you will be worry-free and with no headaches and emotional stress a woman can cook up.




Mixx

[kerouac]

These two photos tell a lot. If you're gonna get with a club skank, put on a rubber! I mean, unless that's your thing, make sure the girl you possibly accidentally get pregnant isn't a skank. Well, I guess the good thing is we can be sure that there will be future skanks in the world when party people accidentally procreate, and we can always use a fresh supply of strippers in the future to get my jeans moist, but at least for me I prefer to make sure if I raw dog a girl I can live with the consequences if the worst comes to worst.

[Duke Castile]

Now that is fucking depressing.

[JayMillz]

(12-15-2010 01:07 PM)kerouac Wrote:  




These two photos tell a lot. If you're gonna get with a club skank, put on a rubber! I mean, unless that's your thing, make sure the girl you possibly accidentally get pregnant isn't a skank. Well, I guess the good thing is we can be sure that there will be future skanks in the world when party people accidentally procreate, and we can always use a fresh supply of strippers in the future to get my jeans moist, but at least for me I prefer to make sure if I raw dog a girl I can live with the consequences if the worst comes to worst.

That's Mystery with the black finger nail polish?