[Gopher]

"The biggest 'loss' of online game in terms of the fun that game is, is where's the rush of approaching?"


agreed. Going on a first date with someone you met on the internet is extremely stale in my experience. It's like going on a business meeting.

[Christian McQueen]

"On a slightly related note my online game sucks (never gotten a OKC lay) but I get SNLs from night game on the regular."

^Ive noticed this with some other really good players as well. Not sure of the reason though.

[PocketAA]

(12-07-2013 07:08 PM)McQueensPlayboyRules Wrote:  

"On a slightly related note my online game sucks (never gotten a OKC lay) but I get SNLs from night game on the regular."

^Ive noticed this with some other really good players as well. Not sure of the reason though.

Player vibes.

Most of the women that are online are used to being shuffle around. They can smell a smooth talker a mile away.

Most night players set off major player vibes because that's what it takes to be successful. In night game you need to be able to approach without even opening your mouth.

[MrXY]

I get both online and cold approach lays regularly

The claim that online hurts your approach game is false

Its just that they are different skill sets. Being good at one doesnt make you good at the other necessarily. But you can master both

[Bacchus]

The biggest harm of online dating is that it inflates the ego of cute and marginal girls to the level of their more attractive counterparts. Any girl above a 5 can achieve a red dot on that site that indicates she replies very selectively (and even that's negotiable- I've seen 3's who have a red dot). The profile can be blank, or worse, full of platitudes, but as long as she has pictures that suggest that she's below 35, not overweight by more than 50 lbs., and doesn't have chemical burns on her face, her message box will be fuller than a fatty at an all you can eat buffet.

Most of these messages are garbage. A mixture of "Hey your cute," shallow questions, and crude come-ons. She might not even read more than 1/5 of them, but each time an alert for a new message flashes, she feels validated. It doesn't take long before all of these offers shift her perception of herself. In her mind, she's got options now. How could she not? 75 guys visit her profile every day. Now that 4 walks around with the airs of an 8. She's certainly not aware that she would never be anything more than a convenient hole for the majority of these men, a step above . A 6 or 7 must feel like a reality show star.

What does that mean for players? Slim to no margin for error. When her menu for available cock has expanded from the hundreds to the thousands, now a man must outcompete 1000 others for the attention of a 6. Most men aren't going to be able to do this. Even knowledgeable men will find it more difficult.

But even if all the popular dating sites (OKC, POF, Tinder, Match, etc.) shut down, the effect wouldn't be a return to the stone ages (i.e. pre-internet). Every website is a 'dating' site, and social media validates as much as dating sites. The offers will still come flooding in.

Add cold temps and inherent laziness, and I can see why girls would prefer to stay in front of the warm glow of the computer. They don't need to step foot outside the door (not to mention maintain basic hygiene or change out of sweatpants) to get their validation.

[Vaun]

The only two things for me it boils down to are odds and time. In person(day&night) increase the odds for sex. Women are turned on more imho from the start, by real interaction. Maybe its the 27-33 age set I have been going after, but I waste more time and money entertaining online chicks than I ever do a day or night approach. And all of the wasted dates/time of online buyers remorse, which happen about 50/50 of the time with online, takes me away from living. Maybe 10% of my online dates I would have even approached in person, and thats generous.

[nek]

(12-07-2013 08:59 PM)Bacchus Wrote:  

The biggest harm of online dating is that it inflates the ego of cute and marginal girls to the level of their more attractive counterparts. Any girl above a 5 can achieve a red dot on that site that indicates she replies very selectively (and even that's negotiable- I've seen 3's who have a red dot). The profile can be blank, or worse, full of platitudes, but as long as she has pictures that suggest that she's below 35, not overweight by more than 50 lbs., and doesn't have chemical burns on her face, her message box will be fuller than a fatty at an all you can eat buffet.

Most of these messages are garbage. A mixture of "Hey your cute," shallow questions, and crude come-ons. She might not even read more than 1/5 of them, but each time an alert for a new message flashes, she feels validated. It doesn't take long before all of these offers shift her perception of herself. In her mind, she's got options now. How could she not? 75 guys visit her profile every day. Now that 4 walks around with the airs of an 8. She's certainly not aware that she would never be anything more than a convenient hole for the majority of these men, a step above . A 6 or 7 must feel like a reality show star.

What does that mean for players? Slim to no margin for error. When her menu for available cock has expanded from the hundreds to the thousands, so now a man must outcompete 1000 others for the attention of a 6. Most men aren't going to be able to do this. Even knowledgeable men will find it more difficult.

But even if all the popular dating sites (OKC, POF, Tinder, Match, etc.) shut down, the effect wouldn't be a return to the stone ages (i.e. pre-internet). Every website is a 'dating' site, and social media validates as much as dating sites. The offer will still come flooding in.

Add cold temps and inherent laziness, and I can see why girls would prefer to stay in front of the warm glow of the computer. They don't need to step foot outside the door (not to mention maintain basic hygiene or change out of sweatpants) to get their validation.

Social media/online dating is junk attention just like how online porn is junk sex and French fries are junk food. Yeah it can fill your stomach but you won't feel 'good'. Just like the US is getting fatter (i.e. eating more junk), the women are consuming more junk attention and the men more junk sex. It's a vicious cycle that people try to break, but once things get tough they revert back to junk.

[thegmanifesto]

Online dating is like some kind of ulterior universe.

I don't know any girls that do it.

And I don't have any friends that do it.

(12-07-2013 06:26 PM)PocketAA Wrote:  

Okc, Pof, Tinder and every other technological tool used in this day and age to attract women was created by the same guys that back in the 90's and early 2000's couldn't get laid at the bars/clubs.

They knew what they was doing. It's revenge of the nerds Level 10039

In online dating a lot of guys are able to lie easily and get away with it.

It's impossible to lie about your height, frame, body type at a bar.

Night game and online game are two very different things.

Online gaming is little league.

Night game is big leagues.

That's true.

[kosko]

I don't get online game. I've tried it a few times. Only explicit shit like Tinder has ever given me any luck. Online is full of fatties and headcases and I simply cant trust a girl I have not read in person. If I can't read a girls vibe in person I really have no interest in getting with her.

To the dudes whom have success on it, all the luck to you but the system makes no sense and gives women to much power.

Unless your a tall white dude online game is a toss up. I've made a dozen fake accounts with the whole spectrum of types. Tall white guy with model looks, kinda goofy looking rich guy, black guy with model looks, Latin salsa instructor, etc. The tall white guy with nothing on his profile wins 1000% over. Women just chase delusions on there and not much more. Its a fantasy land, only old broads moan at the torment of online dating but that's because they are trying to balance the carousel and the eggs all at once.

This isn't race jab, its just reality... at least here in Toronto haha, but online game in general is a fuked up, and its something that this community shouldn't advocate. Once you take it off the streets and away from public the men have no power, its all a honey trap to destroy traditional avenues for dating and access to pussy, and to give mentally unstable women and fatties a outlet to higher quality men by shielding them from public exposure they would get in the traditional avenues.

I don't buy the traditional arguments of women not having time to date and shit. Women have time to waste on hours and hours plowing through messages and profiles, plus dine out with their friends, and spend hours moving their thumbs on their phones. They do online shit because its easy for them, why play into their hands.

Online game is exclusively for me to troll and try and recruit broads to the swinging scene. Not much else of value I can get from it.

When I want pussy I will forever go out and hunt for it, this is the essence of being a man. You gotta go hunt.

[thegmanifesto]

(12-07-2013 09:25 PM)kosko Wrote:  

When I want pussy I will forever go out and hunt for it, this is the essence of being a man. You gotta go hunt.

Reminds me of my favorite Roosh line of 2014:

“That’s fine for most people, but I’ve spent way too much time happily surviving in the jungle to pack my bags and move into the zoo.”

[Basil Ransom]

"Going on a first date with someone you met on the internet is extremely stale in my experience. It's like going on a business meeting."

A date is what you make of it. If your dates always feel like business meetings, you're a boring fuck. I've banged girls on rooftops, fingered girls on the beach, and gotten anal, all on first dates. Once she shows up for the date, the online thing is irrelevant.

Night game is definitely crazier, but i've banged several dozen girls from online on first dates, with some weird/bad/awful encounters mixed in.

[runsonmagic]

(12-07-2013 06:57 PM)Gopher Wrote:  

"The biggest 'loss' of online game in terms of the fun that game is, is where's the rush of approaching?"


agreed. Going on a first date with someone you met on the internet is extremely stale in my experience. It's like going on a business meeting.

Hmm... That's interesting. I find online dating doesn't have the same rush, because I usually know in 2.34521 seconds if we're going to bang or not. 90% of the time, that's a yes.

It's like the difference between hunting for your food and ordering chinese takout.

[Teddykgb]

I'm still new enough at game that just because I'm on an online date doesn't mean 100% I'm getting the bang.

It's funny just over the last 8 months when I first tried online dating I'm so fucking night and day compared to 8 months ago.

I keep thinking of a few times where I had the girl in my bed and I wasn't able to seal the deal. It actually disgusts me now thinking about it because I know exactly what I did wrong.

One 2 different occasions I had super hot chicks up in on my bed and one would only give me a handjob and the other left after I had her pants around her ankles. Both of them I came off way too needy and didn't even know about "freezing" out.

Oh well you live and learn.

[thegmanifesto]

For what it is worth, I have noticed that the guys on the forum with the most negativity and bitterness always:

1. Use Online Dating
2. Text girls

Not is not a coincidence.

Furthermore, you notice that every "problem" post on here starts with either:

"So I met this girl on OKstupid..."

Or

"So I was texting this girl and..."

Not a coincidence either.

[Teddykgb]

^^^ I agree and I think its because a lot of beginners like myself are attracted to how easy online game is but that is all it is online game. You aren't learning much from online game especially if the attraction is already there.

The best thing I have learned from online game is filtering dtf girls and girls that just want attention.

I think it's hard to build a lot of attraction from online game. Either the girl likes your pictures and will fuck you or she wont and I feel like the gap of in between girls is very small.

[Rompetoto]

(12-08-2013 12:46 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

For what it is worth, I have noticed that the guys on the forum with the most negativity and bitterness always:

1. Use Online Dating
2. Text girls

Not is not a coincidence.

Furthermore, you notice that every "problem" post on here starts with either:

"So I met this girl on OKstupid..."

Or

"So I was texting this girl and..."

Not a coincidence either.

My text game improved by leaps and bounds by barely texting at all, go figure.

[runsonmagic]

(12-08-2013 12:46 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

For what it is worth, I have noticed that the guys on the forum with the most negativity and bitterness always:

1. Use Online Dating
2. Text girls

Not is not a coincidence.

Furthermore, you notice that every "problem" post on here starts with either:

"So I met this girl on OKstupid..."

Or

"So I was texting this girl and..."

Not a coincidence either.

Word.

I was lamenting some dating experiences to a friend, and she replied, "where are you meeting these women?" Oh... Derp.

Can't wait for the snow to clear and stop cockblocking my daygame.

[Basil Ransom]

(12-08-2013 12:37 AM)murrb Wrote:  

I'm still new enough at game that just because I'm on an online date doesn't mean 100% I'm getting the bang.

It's funny just over the last 8 months when I first tried online dating I'm so fucking night and day compared to 8 months ago.

I keep thinking of a few times where I had the girl in my bed and I wasn't able to seal the deal. It actually disgusts me now thinking about it because I know exactly what I did wrong.

One 2 different occasions I had super hot chicks up in on my bed and one would only give me a handjob and the other left after I had her pants around her ankles. Both of them I came off way too needy and didn't even know about "freezing" out.

Oh well you live and learn.

Ha, even veterans make mistakes. Just last week I fucked up a date and came up a little jittery and anxious. I had been sexting with a different girl before the date, and had no time to eat dinner because I got back from work late. Being horny and very hungry simultaneously magnifies my nerves by a hundredfold - it's almost scary what an effect it has on me, like I'm 16 again or some shit.

The chick seemed kinda cunty, and my lack of a decent haircut (since fixed) might have meant I wouldn't have fucked her anyway, but you just have to make everything count.

[Moma]

I will add to this. Since I moved to North America, the online dating is terrible. It was much better in London, England. I tried it when coming over to North America because I didn't know venues initially, transport issues and restrictions due to weather (not any more though) and I'm more of a talker than a flashy in the club look at me type of dude.
But pickings were trash online. I tried to shoot lower and lower and the vibes were the same. Fat busted chicks of any race were busy acting like queens, it was bewildering to me.
The only ones that were reasonably decent and responsive to game were in the 300lb club so I immediately converted those to platonics for gateway access.

Now with location change, it's the same thing but as Kosko said, men are supposed to hunt. Fcuk this online sh!t, go keel dem...FACE 2 FACE!

[Neo]

My advice.

Quit online dating, and do it now.

If you look at my posts from 1-2 years ago, I was actually a proponent of it, but I've completely changed my outlook. Let me explain.

The girls on online dating sites are not representative of the norm, not in the least. Where else do you see fat women who nearly every man laughs at think they are a catch? In my experience the online dating pool of women breaks down as follows:

85% - Fatties, 5s and below, narcissistic, cumdumpsters, trashy single moms, or fucked up in a major way.
15% - Attractive girls - You can get them if you get to them early, but most quit within a month or two. They probably get 100s of messages a day, good luck. For most guys, I think a seeking arrangement type of game is the way to go.

You simply cannot equate a 7.5 online and a 7.5 in real life. The latter, if approached properly, will be very responsive with the right type of game. Online it's a crap shoot.

Imagine being at Starbucks and spotting a cute girl. As you begin your approach 50 guys approach her at the same time and hit her up with their lines, that's online.

The turning point for me was when I overheard some whale, who mind you is probably 100+ lbs. overweight, telling her friend she gets 50 messages a day on plenty of fish. Let me try to find a representation. For the record, something like this.

http://www.mybodygallery.com/photos-1789...qTIPSdgJNg



It's fucked.

Now here's the best reason to quit, your own sanity. I don't care how hardened you are, after a while of firing off tons of messages, getting rejected, and having to lower your standards to get responses it makes you think your worse than you really are. The reality is, online game is rigged.

After I quit things couldn't have been better, quality has gone up, bangs up, percentages up, and I feel better not having to browse profiles from the female cesspool of society.

[Aliblahba]

Online game is an effective tool if used correctly. Guys that quit usually didn't learn it, or it became a replacement to approaching. The benefits grossly outweigh the negatives.

As far as lack of quality, well, I have to laugh at that one.


   

[eradicator]

^ WB

For the guys that hate online dating, have you ever tried tinder? By end of 2014, I think most of the dating sites will have completely copied tinder's format.

[Ensam]

(12-08-2013 03:48 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Online game is an effective tool if used correctly. Guys that quit usually didn't learn it, or it became a replacement to approaching. The benefits grossly outweigh the negatives.

As far as lack of quality, well, I have to laugh at that one.

I do think it's a potentially valuable tool but I struggle with it and have had a much better time (both in terms of the gaming itself and the results) night gaming. Do you have any tips for getting better? I've browsed the OKC thread here and get a decent response rate but relatively few dates and no lays so far.

[Aliblahba]

(12-08-2013 03:56 PM)master_thespian Wrote:  

^ WB

I just tried to message that chick but got denied. Fuck Marcus and his bitch ass online filters.

(12-08-2013 04:21 PM)Ensam Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 03:48 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Online game is an effective tool if used correctly. Guys that quit usually didn't learn it, or it became a replacement to approaching. The benefits grossly outweigh the negatives.

As far as lack of quality, well, I have to laugh at that one.

I do think it's a potentially valuable tool but I struggle with it and have had a much better time (both in terms of the gaming itself and the results) night gaming. Do you have any tips for getting better? I've browsed the OKC thread here and get a decent response rate but relatively few dates and no lays so far.

Pics are important. The more interesting the better. If you have one shaking hands w/ Nelson Mandela that would be gold right now. Or learn to photoshop like a champ. Google image 'snowboarding' and go back about 5 pages or so, and find an obscure pic. If it can pass as you then use it. Find pics that have the face partially hidden, or a fuzzy one of someone similar to you bungie jumping, ect. Have a back story for each. Don't use shirtless pics.

Be thoughtful in your profile. Mention traveling and interesting shit. Make them qualify. Basically mirror what women put up about 'only message if' stuff. This will put you 99% above the hordes of thirsty simps out there.

Learn to neg. 99% of messages are thirsty, and you'll stand out. Create a fake profile in a city w/ similar demographics and experiment until you find what works for you. Don't shyte where you eat.

[Mumbojumbo]

As for online game it's important to distinguish which platform and which country. It makes no sense to just universal statements. I think OKC and POF require a lot of learning but my buddy is 41 and continuously pulls 25 or under from both sites in Northern California.

Tinder is/was a godsend for me and I still have about 300 matches with 6+ girls I never responded to....

In other countries results and platforms vary a lot as well.

I certainly think that the attention from online game makes people go out less. Never thought about it before. However it's different enough to not die out. It's like learning a new language - just because you learn Chinese it does not mean you stop speaking English. You do both to a degree it benefits you.