[Kentemo]

(01-26-2019 02:35 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

Kentemo, of course guys are free to do as they like, but I believe that all discussion on wagon-related matters is best kept to this thread.

You're right Lizard. Facebook tends to ruin things like that. I haven't gone through this thread entirely. But it's been going on for years, and probably we should keep it that way.

(01-27-2019 03:10 PM)komatiite Wrote:  

if I was going to make anything out of my life I had to quit.

This is exactly the reason why I quit. Thinking about my past ,what I accomplished etc.. , I got a bit sad. I've had a lot of fun, partying and drinking etc.. and would drink until I blacked out. I would go to the toilet to vomit the same night and order more drinks 5 min later.

I felt I lived in a spiral, working all week, and the weekends I earned it to get wasted. It's only been a month, but I already feel a bit different, and I feel my path what I really want in live has never been this clear.

To me quitting alcohol, is like everything else. Giving up instant gratification for something bigger and more important. Just my honest opinion. I'm the only one of my friends that don't drink and I respect their decisions as well.

[Dr. Van Nostrand]

Hey LOZ, what a great thread this is.

I would like to know what your thoughts are, or anyone else's, relating to alcohol addiction in a close family member. My elder sister, single mother with a young son, drinks far too much and far too regularly as she has done since she was 15 years old, she is now in her early 30s. She is a textbook alcoholic and I've witnessed her act extremely foolish and I hate to say pathetic on numerous occasions over the years, and now her son is exposed to the same rubbish. She knows she drinks too much but as far as I'm aware I don't think she has gone 5 days without a drink in close to 20 years except for when she was pregnant, and even then she didn't stop completely. She is never serious in any of her efforts. Now I have my own problems which I'm working on but it makes me despise her knowing what she is exposing my nephew to.

Just curious as to if you guys have any advice on something like this. Sorry for getting a little off topic

[etwsake]

(01-27-2019 10:22 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  

Actually , I would like to ask a question.
I have personally never understood the need for altering your mind through alcohol to feel more social and/or to have more fun/ be bolder.
This has costed me sometimes to be ostracized socially , and to be seen by some women as a "boring" guy , especially at student age.

What is seriously and objectively fun in drinking ? The 10-15 times i have done it in my life I have simply embarrassed myself by acting quirky , feeling stupid and spending tons....

For me it was the appeal of basically experiencing death but still being able to wake up the next day.

I didn't drink to get a buzz or feel social in a group. I drank to get black out drunk. My goal was always to drink as much as I could, as fast as I could, to reach "nirvana." When you reach black out, it's not like falling asleep and dreaming. It's more like not existing. For that precious few hours, I'd tap into the big black. All those incessant thoughts and anxieties that swirl in my skull non-stop like a cage full of chattering monkeys.......silenced.

You know how the French call an orgasm "the little death?" How life really is perfect and blissful for those 15 seconds or so right after you climax? Well, booze was my way of extending that zen-like non-existence. And unlike actually killing yourself, you just wake up with a splitting headache, possibly covered in your own vomit, and have no idea how you got wherever you are.

I'm depressed. I have been my whole life. Sometimes I can feel it, physically...I'm so fucking depressed it hurts. I just look at everyone else in the world and I don't understand how they can just go on with their lives and never feel this disgusting angst I feel. I know, everyone gets depressed sometimes, but in my egotistical way I sit here and think "no...nobody has ever felt like ME. I'm special....I hurt the worst." I know I sound like a 15 year old that just heard his first nine inch nails song, but I don't know how else to describe it. Being drunk killed that pain, at least for a little while.

Today was bad. Nothing in particular set it off...just the usual. I hate myself, feel worthless, etc. And oh man, I was actually fantasizing about drinking today. I imagined what that whiskey would taste like, after these years without. I had the muscle memory of the stickiness on my lips, the delightful burn of it going down. Fuck....I want a fucking drink. Goddamn it....I want a fucking drink so bad.

[pirate]

(01-28-2019 08:29 AM)etwsake Wrote:  

All those incessant thoughts and anxieties that swirl in my skull non-stop like a cage full of chattering monkeys.......silenced.

Same reason I drank. When you start, all it takes are a few beers. Later on when you tolerate alcohol better, the anxieties don't fade until you are down on the floor. I was in several potentially life threatening scenarios in 2017, if I didn't stop drinking soon after I'd probably be dead by now.

Yup, its looking like there are no shortcuts to deal with those anxieties, not even temporary. At least in a sober state, one doesnt experience the crippling anxiety and shame for three days after. (There is a study showing that a drinking binge increases your cortisol levels for up to three weeks after as well)

Sobriety is a definite mathematical favourite versus drinking for existential angst over the long term
Drinking to excess to deal with angst is kicking the can down the road- I have never, not once, came to any profound conclusions or solutions that helped my anxieties through drinking.

[TheSergeant]

Alright, I guess it’s my turn.

I won’t regale you all with the background...it’s all been said in this thread already. I’ll leave it that I’ve driven home from after-work drinking, most often by myself, 5 days a week, for years. On the weekends, if I’m not hungover, I’m on the way to my next drunk. How I’ve managed a decent career and a young family during this time is anyone’s guess. I do know the toll is beginning to get expensive (or the expense has been untenable for some time and I’m only now realizing the extent of the damage), and lately I’ve been living with an uneasy feeling the piper is around the corner if I continue.

I’ve tried to give it all up before...even managed 30 days a couple months ago...but I failed because I did not have a pledge on which I could be held to account. Thus, I will make it here.

Perhaps I’ll elaborate on the above in the future, but for now: TLOZ, boarding the wagon for one year as of tomorrow AM, Tuesday, January 29, 2019.

[The Lizard of Oz]

(01-27-2019 10:03 PM)Dr. Van Nostrand Wrote:  

Hey LOZ, what a great thread this is.

I would like to know what your thoughts are, or anyone else's, relating to alcohol addiction in a close family member. My elder sister, single mother with a young son, drinks far too much and far too regularly as she has done since she was 15 years old, she is now in her early 30s. She is a textbook alcoholic and I've witnessed her act extremely foolish and I hate to say pathetic on numerous occasions over the years, and now her son is exposed to the same rubbish. She knows she drinks too much but as far as I'm aware I don't think she has gone 5 days without a drink in close to 20 years except for when she was pregnant, and even then she didn't stop completely. She is never serious in any of her efforts. Now I have my own problems which I'm working on but it makes me despise her knowing what she is exposing my nephew to.

Just curious as to if you guys have any advice on something like this. Sorry for getting a little off topic

This is a very tough situation to deal with. True drunks can remain set in their ways for years no matter the cost, and with women it's even worse. In most cases there is little anyone can do -- the impetus to change must come from the drunk himself (or herself) or be forced on them by circumstance.

The best you can do is to be completely honest and forthright with your sister. Given the opportunity, tell her that she is, in your view, an alcoholic; that her behavior is self-destructive and damaging to her son; and that nothing will change for the better until she stops drinking. Do not accept any of her excuses or even countenance them at all -- they should always be dismissed out of hand. Nothing in the world is cheaper, more plentiful, or more worthless than the ever-ready excuses of a drunk. Try to really focus her one day when the situation is right by skipping a beat to a beat and a half in a conversation, then look her in the eye and tell her what the reality is in the plainest possible terms, without any particular exaggeration but also without mincing any words.

Even if you do this, realize that unless you are very lucky it is unlikely to have any immediate effect; the most likely outcome is that your sister persists in her ways for years to come, and your honesty may only alienate her from you. But if you remain completely forthright and consistent in your attitude and -- again, very importantly -- never accept her excuses even for a moment, this may have some cumulative effect over time; and maybe a day will come when she gives up and gives in. If that ever happens, your sustained record of no-nonsense truth telling will be useful because she will know she can place her trust in you. Maybe then you can help guide her out of her misery.

In short: do what you can -- and all you can do is to always be ready to tell her the truth and dismiss her excuses. But do not expect anything to change anytime soon.

[The Lizard of Oz]

(01-28-2019 11:08 PM)TheSergeant Wrote:  

Alright, I guess it’s my turn.

I won’t regale you all with the background...it’s all been said in this thread already. I’ll leave it that I’ve driven home from after-work drinking, most often by myself, 5 days a week, for years. On the weekends, if I’m not hungover, I’m on the way to my next drunk. How I’ve managed a decent career and a young family during this time is anyone’s guess. I do know the toll is beginning to get expensive (or the expense has been untenable for some time and I’m only now realizing the extent of the damage), and lately I’ve been living with an uneasy feeling the piper is around the corner if I continue.

I’ve tried to give it all up before...even managed 30 days a couple months ago...but I failed because I did not have a pledge on which I could be held to account. Thus, I will make it here.

Perhaps I’ll elaborate on the above in the future, but for now: TLOZ, boarding the wagon for one year as of tomorrow AM, Tuesday, January 29, 2019.

TheSergeant, thank you for this post. Welcome aboard as of January 29, 2019 and I hope to hear more from you in this thread as time goes on.

[Dr. Van Nostrand]

Thanks very much for your response LOZ,

It's certainly a messy addiction. My father's alcoholism was a large contributor in my parents divorce (he's sober almost 10 years now), and now it wreaks havoc on my sisters life and my nephews. If you can't drink in moderation it will eventually destroy you and alienate you from your loved ones. Good luck to everyone on this wagon.

[JayR]

(01-02-2019 09:16 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

JayR, thank you for the post. The before and after hormone levels will be of some interest, but please keep in mind that they are just one -- noisy -- data point, especially if you are comparing a single result on a particular date now to a single result on a particular date one year later. Of far more relevance will be your overall sense of health and well-being throughout the entire year: your quality of sleep, your mood and energy, your physical and mental performance, your day-to-day stress levels, and just the way you feel about your life very generally. These are the real indicators that you should be taking stock of a year from today.

Welcome aboard as of January 2, 2019 and I look forward to hearing more from you here as time goes on.

One month in -- time for an update!

I am typing this at 8:15 a.m. on a Saturday. Prior to this wagon, I would be hard-pressed to remember the last time I was up before 11:00 a.m. (and feeling good!) on a weekend. For over a decade this was basically unheard of for me.

So far the greatest benefit of the wagon is just not feeling like utter crap almost all the time. I'm an older guy (50s) -- the hangovers were getting so brutal my body and mind just couldn't take it any more. The anxiety and dread upon waking is gone. General depression haunting me almost all of the time has lifted. Ahhhh.....

I was an every-other-day binge drinker for a a good 15 years, wine mostly. What I'm realizing after a month sober is just how much I was planning my life around being hungover. "Big meeting at work on Thursday? Better adjust the drinking schedule so I can actually think and speak if somebody asks me a question." "Community cleanup event on Sunday? Nah, starts in the morning -- can't go." Freedom from the hangover is by itself incredibly liberating.

My gym and running regularity has gone from 2-3 days a week to 6 days a week. After only a month of quitting the sauce I've blasted through several plateaus. I finally completed level 4 of Legendary Abs, which I'd been stuck on for years.

As others on the wagon have noted, sleep is fantastic. Deep and restful with vivid dreams. It saddens me to ponder what I've done to my brain, depriving it of restful sleep for so many years.

Saving so much money. I use Mint.com, to track household expenses, and drinking-partner wife and I were spending over $6000/year on the "Alcohol & Bars" category. I knew I was wasting a lot of money on booze, but was truly shocked to learn just how much when I finally dared check the numbers. It was awesome coming in under the household budget for January in large part because we saved ~$500 on booze. I intend to treat myself to a nice paddleboard and roof rack with the savings come spring.

Wagon negatives? I do sometimes miss the relaxation that kicks in after that 2nd drink. And Friday night dinners out with the wife aren't as exciting now that I'm not getting things rolling with a big double Sapphire martini. But after 4 weeks off, the habitual nature of hitting the wine box after work is already loosening its grip. And when I do miss it, the memory of the associated hangover snaps me right out of it.

I'm only a month in, but so far the wagon has not been that hard for me. Maybe that will change once the novelty of sobriety wears off, but I would be surprised. I think I was just ready -- sick of feeling sick all the time. Honestly, I thought the Allen Carr book was underwhelming and overlong when I read it, but I do catch myself thinking about his tips now and then -- particularly the willpower aspect. My decision to cut out the poison is final; there's no willpower involved -- drinking just isn't an option now, so I don't obsess over it.

Wow, long post. Amazing how easy and fun things like composing RVF posts become when the mind is clear!

[DTD309]

(02-02-2019 11:48 AM)JayR Wrote:  

I was an every-other-day binge drinker for a a good 15 years, wine mostly. What I'm realizing after a month sober is just how much I was planning my life around being hungover. "Big meeting at work on Thursday? Better adjust the drinking schedule so I can actually think and speak if somebody asks me a question." "Community cleanup event on Sunday? Nah, starts in the morning -- can't go." Freedom from the hangover is by itself incredibly liberating.

I'm only a month in, but so far the wagon has not been that hard for me. Maybe that will change once the novelty of sobriety wears off, but I would be surprised. I think I was just ready -- sick of feeling sick all the time.

A big congrats to you on your first month!

Your comment about planning for hangovers throughout the week and weekend was remarkably honest, and I have to say, reflective of the last 15 or so years of my life as well. Amazing when you step back to look at the concessions that were made, both conscious and subconscious, to work one's life around drinking.

While the wagon may seem easy now, I had the same thoughts about a month in to my first wagon (I am also now one month into my current wagon). About 3 months into the journey, a voice from within beckoned ever more loudly with aim to convince me that I had learned self-control and moderation, and that it would be OK to go back to the drink.

I have made previous posts here about how it worked out returning to alcohol after the wagon. The year or so I spent between wagons never involved anything resembling moderation. I am just now starting to regain normal feeling in my fingertips (after being numb followed by sharp pains) a month into this current wagon.

Best of luck and look forward to reading your updates here!

[Frater Angelico]

It's been a month now and I feel good about the wagon.

I had a couple of nightmares the first weekend, like the ones other posters already described here. I believe it is a good omen : my mind is getting that I'm serious this time.

My sleep didn't get better, quite the contrary. I think this is because I drink more coffee and tea than ever, and I was already drinking a lot of those to improve my mood in the morning before quitting.

My weight didn't get better either. I even gained a little bit because I'm overeating to compensate. I've got the issue in check however. It went the same way when I quit smoking ten years ago.

Going out sober is way better than I thought. People are nice and supportive. I can even get value out of it and get credit for my "courage". I don't get bored at all and enjoy myself a lot. I find that I don't need alcohol to be social and to have fun while going out. Of course, I'm not clubbing anymore, I'm too old for that.

This first month went good and I'm glad I jumped on the wagon this year. The best thing is that feeling of freedom and control. My mind is trying to trick me though by suggesting, for example, that I should celebrate my first month sober with a glass of wine ! But I'm no fool and won't fall for such a lame attempt at sabotaging myself. At least, that's what I hope.

Thanks Lizard for this great thread. It is really helpful.

[scotian]

Checking in at 4 months, everything is going well, I have no desire to drink especially since it's so cold here in Canada, once I get home from work it's shower, eat, read then bed. Even on days off, I'm mostly staying in and cooking, studying for an upcoming exam and hitting the gym.

However, one major thing has changed: I switched jobs and had to move towns and decided to rent a room off of a co-worker who I found out after moving in, is a raging alcoholic! This guy crushes about 8-10 beers every single night after work and the first thing he does in the morning when he wakes up, is grab a beer from the fridge and down it, he probably has about 3-4 beers before he goes to work. Here I am trying to eat healthy, drinking fruit smoothie protein shakes and bullet proof coffee and this guy is slamming at least a dozen beers a day, there's Budweiser cans all over the place, he buys a 12 pack everyday, the cans are stacking up in a huge pile on our patio. Still, it doesn't really bother me, I actually feel bad for him because I can tell that he's pretty far gone and can't just give it up, he'd probably start shaking. He also eats like shit, never drinks water, just beer and soda and nearly everything he eats is processed garbage.

Still I have no desire to grab and can and drink it, I'm ok with my smoothies and morning coffee. I'm too stubborn to start drinking again, I'm determined to finish the wagon although I realize that once the weather warms up and I start doing more things outside, I'll be tempted.

[Rhyme or Reason]

I'm somewhere between 3-4 weeks in to this wagon. I don't know the exact day and frankly I don't care all that much. What I've noticed:

Pros

-lots more energy
-clear head
-more focused on productive things
-more assertive
-sleeping better, lots of strange and vivid dreams
-speaking less in conversation, listening more
-sharper, quicker on my feet


Cons

-a little too excitable maybe (thoughts going maybe a bit fast)
-craving (and eating) sugar
-boredom.

The interesting thing about the boredom is it's not so much boredom itself as you realize what held your interest while pounding your brain with booze simply doesn't anymore. This makes me less "passively observant"" of things going on and more engaged.

It's a good thing I work weekend nights or I'd be very anxious about not drinking / going out. I've been seeing this chick once a week, and she keeps asking "do you wanna drink tonight?" so far I've said "no, but you can" if she asks again I'll head check her and firmly explain that saying that is disrespectful.

[Polniy_Sostav]

(01-28-2019 08:29 AM)etwsake Wrote:  

(01-27-2019 10:22 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  

Actually , I would like to ask a question.
I have personally never understood the need for altering your mind through alcohol to feel more social and/or to have more fun/ be bolder.
This has costed me sometimes to be ostracized socially , and to be seen by some women as a "boring" guy , especially at student age.

What is seriously and objectively fun in drinking ? The 10-15 times i have done it in my life I have simply embarrassed myself by acting quirky , feeling stupid and spending tons....

For me it was the appeal of basically experiencing death but still being able to wake up the next day.

I didn't drink to get a buzz or feel social in a group. I drank to get black out drunk. My goal was always to drink as much as I could, as fast as I could, to reach "nirvana." When you reach black out, it's not like falling asleep and dreaming. It's more like not existing. For that precious few hours, I'd tap into the big black. All those incessant thoughts and anxieties that swirl in my skull non-stop like a cage full of chattering monkeys.......silenced.

You know how the French call an orgasm "the little death?" How life really is perfect and blissful for those 15 seconds or so right after you climax? Well, booze was my way of extending that zen-like non-existence. And unlike actually killing yourself, you just wake up with a splitting headache, possibly covered in your own vomit, and have no idea how you got wherever you are.

I'm depressed. I have been my whole life. Sometimes I can feel it, physically...I'm so fucking depressed it hurts. I just look at everyone else in the world and I don't understand how they can just go on with their lives and never feel this disgusting angst I feel. I know, everyone gets depressed sometimes, but in my egotistical way I sit here and think "no...nobody has ever felt like ME. I'm special....I hurt the worst." I know I sound like a 15 year old that just heard his first nine inch nails song, but I don't know how else to describe it. Being drunk killed that pain, at least for a little while.

Today was bad. Nothing in particular set it off...just the usual. I hate myself, feel worthless, etc. And oh man, I was actually fantasizing about drinking today. I imagined what that whiskey would taste like, after these years without. I had the muscle memory of the stickiness on my lips, the delightful burn of it going down. Fuck....I want a fucking drink. Goddamn it....I want a fucking drink so bad.

Thanks for your answer. I was also kind of depressed at adolescence and until 21-22 and that is the reason why I was almost never drinking as i have believed it could worsen things.
As someone else also wrote , I think alcohol doesn't have the same effect on people.

[Polniy_Sostav]

(02-05-2019 02:52 PM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  

I'm somewhere between 3-4 weeks in to this wagon. I don't know the exact day and frankly I don't care all that much. What I've noticed:

Pros

-lots more energy
-clear head
-more focused on productive things
-more assertive
-sleeping better, lots of strange and vivid dreams
-speaking less in conversation, listening more
-sharper, quicker on my feet


Cons

-a little too excitable maybe (thoughts going maybe a bit fast)
-craving (and eating) sugar
-boredom.

The interesting thing about the boredom is it's not so much boredom itself as you realize what held your interest while pounding your brain with booze simply doesn't anymore. This makes me less "passively observant"" of things going on and more engaged.

It's a good thing I work weekend nights or I'd be very anxious about not drinking / going out. I've been seeing this chick once a week, and she keeps asking "do you wanna drink tonight?" so far I've said "no, but you can" if she asks again I'll head check her and firmly explain that saying that is disrespectful.

To be bored with access to internet ? I have never understood this. Read books , check some topics , learn some new things who can become hobbies... Boredom is also a reason to drink again , don't let it win over you.

[ChefAllDay]

(02-03-2019 10:20 AM)scotian Wrote:  

Checking in at 4 months

I am half way through my first month. Not sure if I am going to stay dry after that. I will decide then. I suspect it will be ab easy choice at the one month mark.

Do you still hit the 420? I do but not as much as I did after a couple vodka.

[scotian]

(02-06-2019 08:20 AM)ChefAllDay Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 10:20 AM)scotian Wrote:  

Checking in at 4 months

I am half way through my first month. Not sure if I am going to stay dry after that. I will decide then. I suspect it will be ab easy choice at the one month mark.

Do you still hit the 420? I do but not as much as I did after a couple vodka.

Yes I'm smoking dope almost everyday after work. I quit for about ten days last month but it affected my sleep, going from about 7-8 hours of solid sleep each night down to 5-6, once I started puffing again my sleep improved. It's one thing that I will phase out when the time is right as I find that weed makes me stupid and affects my memory, basically I'm less sharp.

I was working a really shitty shift, 6pm to 4am so I was sleeping in until 2-3pm everyday and not getting much sunlight since it gets dark here at 4-4:30pm. Now I'm working noon-midnight which is much better and also using bright light therapy and taking 5000 ICUs of vitamin D daily. I find that this helps and I care a lot more about getting proper sleeps which is much easier now that I'm alcohol free.

[RVF400]

LOZ, truth be told I was a bit butthurt over your post but did take some time to reflect. I actually did not really take a cavalier stance to falling off the wagon, which is why I posted about it, but I can see how it would come across as such.

In the end I need to be accountable to myself and live up to the vows and standards I have set for myself.

So would like to reset my wagon from Dec 10th.
Today is 2 months in. Feel good, holidays, new years and other special occasions brought really no desire to drink.

Have been thinking a lot about the future and if I will want to drink again. The thoughts of getting shitfaced seem less appealing the older I get, but I know I will miss those boozy fun fueled nights where I manage to not over do it and lose the "master-servant" relationship with alcohol.

(01-13-2019 11:01 AM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

(01-13-2019 09:19 AM)RVF400 Wrote:  

Checking in here as it has been more than a month. I actually had a false start and drank on the 9th and 10th of December. Was on a road trip and saw an old friend whose wife had just left him, so beers were had...

Anyways, been on track since then, first couple weeks replaced booze with food but diet and fitness have been solid since the holidays. Got through xmas and NYE no problem and feel good, more weight finally coming off and starting to get some more mental clarity.

RVF400, there is no such thing as a "false start". You committed to a 1 year wagon in this thread as of November 25, 2018 but you broke your commitment just a couple of weeks in. That doesn't mean that you need to get down on yourself or believe that your next wagon (if there is one) is doomed to failure, but you should do better than to mention your failure so cavalierly, and in the passive voice -- "beers were had" -- as if the choice to have them was made by anyone but you. It is very easy to convince oneself that there is a good, indeed unselfish, reason to have those beers -- isn't that something that you owe an old friend in trouble for old times' sake? But the truth is that you've made a solemn decision to have not one drop, for a full year, on any occasion or for any reason. It is always up to you to abide by that decision in the face of any temptation, however appealing a mask it seems to wear.

In any case, since you broke your first wagon two weeks in, it is now a thing of the past. If you would like to commit to a new 1 year wagon, please do so in this thread and post your new start date. Before you do that, you should reflect on the reasons for your commitment and make sure that you will take it more seriously the next time around.

[ChefAllDay]

I "accidentally" fell off the wagon a couple days ago. I was doing some special baking, Keto dark chocolate peanut butter cups. I taste tasted some of the dark chocolate weed butter and it hit me like a ton of bricks. I was baked hard, which gave me the munchies and a sweet tooth. Probably because I am in full Keto mode. Anyways, I had a few bottles of apple cider left from a couple months ago which my stoned self decided I should get rid of.

Good news is I figured out how bloody potent that chocolate is, and I purged my house of the last cider temptations. Bad news is it threw me out of Ketosis, but that's not hard to fix.

[etwsake]

(02-11-2019 07:21 AM)ChefAllDay Wrote:  

I "accidentally" fell off the wagon a couple days ago.

Anyways, I had a few bottles of apple cider left from a couple months ago which my stoned self decided I should get rid of.

You didn't "accidentally" do anything. You drank.

If I came across a few bottles of cider in my cupboard, I'd dump that shit right down the sink. I wouldn't drink them only a few weeks into my pledge of not drinking for an entire year.

[DTD309]

(02-11-2019 07:47 AM)etwsake Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 07:21 AM)ChefAllDay Wrote:  

I "accidentally" fell off the wagon a couple days ago.

Anyways, I had a few bottles of apple cider left from a couple months ago which my stoned self decided I should get rid of.

You didn't "accidentally" do anything. You drank.

If I came across a few bottles of cider in my cupboard, I'd dump that shit right down the sink. I wouldn't drink them only a few weeks into my pledge of not drinking for an entire year.

I don't know personally if the wagon commitment and mindset works if we just rotate from one vice to another. Such as, I won't drink but it is OK to do drugs or binge on porn or something else. Maybe that is the driver behind the "monk mode" approach.

To call my own fouls, I smoked a shitload of cigars during my last wagon. Have avoided that so far 6 weeks into this wagon.

[ChefAllDay]

(02-11-2019 07:47 AM)etwsake Wrote:  

You didn't "accidentally" do anything. You drank.

If I came across a few bottles of cider in my cupboard, I'd dump that shit right down the sink. I wouldn't drink them only a few weeks into my pledge of not drinking for an entire year.

Thanks for the soap box preaching, in case you don't get sarcasm, I put the accidentally in "quotes" for a reason. I have no intention of staying dry permanently, I am not a saint. I love cider, I am just taking a few months break to lose some of my fat ass and rest up my liver.

[etwsake]

(02-11-2019 07:47 PM)ChefAllDay Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 07:47 AM)etwsake Wrote:  

You didn't "accidentally" do anything. You drank.

If I came across a few bottles of cider in my cupboard, I'd dump that shit right down the sink. I wouldn't drink them only a few weeks into my pledge of not drinking for an entire year.

Thanks for the soap box preaching, in case you don't get sarcasm, I put the accidentally in "quotes" for a reason. I have no intention of staying dry permanently, I am not a saint. I love cider, I am just taking a few months break to lose some of my fat ass and rest up my liver.

This thread is not for you.

[The Lizard of Oz]

12 years for me today, and extending for year 13.

[Ski pro]

Congratulations Loz. Magnificent effort.

10 feb has come and gone so 3years for me. Sign me up for year 4