[Amateur]

Giovonny made a post recently about "Father Figure Game" and "Older Man Fantasy Game" for younger girls. My question is whether this game can be used by younger guys who are around the same age as these girls. As long as the guy interacts from a position of authority for "Father Figure Game" or provides excitement for "Older Man Fantasy Game", the age difference shouldn't be a major factor on its effectiveness, right?

Also, this made think if guys should start looking for clues or hints that could tell more about a girl's relationship with her father as early as possible to give them an advantage. After all, father issues are so deeply influential that they change how a girl reacts to all men.

[Valhalla]

It works. the girl has to be into that sort of thing though.

[xmlenigma]

(11-19-2013 09:43 PM)Amateur Wrote:  

Giovonny made a post recently about "Father Figure Game" and "Older Man Fantasy Game" for younger girls. My question is whether this game can be used by younger guys who are around the same age as these girls. As long as the guy interacts from a position of authority for "Father Figure Game" or provides excitement for "Older Man Fantasy Game", the age difference shouldn't be a major factor on its effectiveness, right?

Also, this made think if guys should start looking for clues or hints that could tell more about a girl's relationship with her father as early as possible to give them an advantage. After all, father issues are so deeply influential that they change how a girl reacts to all men.

Anyone know where/ which is being talked about over here?

[Giovonny]

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(03-20-2013 02:05 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I started doing this when I started dating girls half my age.

After asking her about her dad and determining what kind of relationship they have, I will get a sense of her needs and wants from a man.

Based on her answers, I might into one of these two gaming styles.

"Father Figure Game" - Fill the empty spaces left by her father;

She will crave attention, guidance, direction, discipline, etc. She will crave a masculine presence in her life. I take a position superior to her. I speak to her form a place of authority, the same way a father would. I correct her when she needs correcting, I advise her when she needs advising. I help her focus her life and get on a path towards success. This is what she wants, this is what she needs, she was just lacking some strong, male, adult leadership

Addressing these things as they relate specifically to her life will cause her to get emotional and connect with you. They crave masculine leadership in their lives.

"Older Man Fantasy Game" - Satisfy her curiosity and need for new, exciting experiences;

She has a good relationship with her father. She is fresh out of high school. She is away at college in the big city. What does she want? She wants fun and excitement. Now is her chance to experiment with sex and drugs and try all the things she has been fantasizing about since she was 12 or 13. Fucking an older man is often one of these fantasies.

I take a different tone with these girls. I don't speak to them in a fatherly manner like I would with the other girls. I present myself as a fun, cool, established older guy that can introduce her to the new experiences that she is looking for. I take them to downtown San Francisco for lunch and shopping. I often provide drugs and alcohol. Many times I pick them up at their dorm room and no one knows but her and I. I make the fantasy a reality!

I often dress better when I'm with these girls because it's all about the "cool, older guy vibe".

Its all about identifying and FULFILLING her needs, wants, and desires.

Once you identify her needs, you can begin to address them in the best possible way.

Trust me, younger girls love older guys. It's taboo -- which makes them even more curious about it!!!

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[LeoneVolpe]

Did someone say "Father Figure" game?

Too soon?

Perhaps I should relocate this to the George Michael thread.

[John Michael Kane]

Related, several of us shared ideas regarding getting a girl to call you daddy or papa here: thread-36717.html

It is an incredibly powerful frame to hold in a LTR. If anyone has questions, let me know. I'm in my 30's and it works even with girls who are just a few years younger than you if you have a high level of trust and rapport with them. Basically, you are triggering their innate desire to be protected by a strong and loving man. It is paternalism that a woman loves.

[Philosopher]

(12-29-2016 12:04 AM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  

Did someone say "Father Figure" game?

Too soon?

Perhaps I should relocate this to the George Michael thread.

No, I miss George already. Here is another one) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwCqR-ijQRQ

[NickDunne]

(11-19-2013 09:43 PM)Amateur Wrote:  

As long as the guy interacts from a position of authority for "Father Figure Game" or provides excitement for "Older Man Fantasy Game", the age difference shouldn't be a major factor on its effectiveness, right?

Position of authority and providing excitement always work, regardless of context. They are some of the key tenets of Game.

[456]

Great concepts here; I've been using a mix of Fatherly and Older Man as I've entered my thirties.

One question / concern: if you Daddy her too well, will you become the authority figure to be escaped / resented over time? Like teenagers wanting to sneak out at night and evade their father's watch and rule. The strategy could backfire, especially if she starts to associate you with No Fun, or Too Responsible, or she wants to let loose. This could come into play with a generation gap (drugs and behavior mainstreamed to youngins but not the older generations).

(For an obscure roissysphere example, remember FemX aka LittleSpoon and her "daddy" older boyfriend? Eventually she had the mindset of a dependent trying frantically to move out on her own. She still respected and "loved" the guy but it turned almost platonic).

((Possibly answering my own question: keep laying the pipe proper, and keep it nasty in the bedroom to counter the above. Still, that can falter as time goes on and comfort grows.))

[XPQ22]

(01-03-2017 08:27 AM)456 Wrote:  

Great concepts here; I've been using a mix of Fatherly and Older Man as I've entered my thirties.

One question / concern: if you Daddy her too well, will you become the authority figure to be escaped / resented over time? Like teenagers wanting to sneak out at night and evade their father's watch and rule. The strategy could backfire, especially if she starts to associate you with No Fun, or Too Responsible, or she wants to let loose. This could come into play with a generation gap (drugs and behavior mainstreamed to youngins but not the older generations).

Sure, if she had some control-freak parents I can see this backfiring if you try to "lay down the law" too hard and she ends up feeling smothered. It's sort of an "Alpha Male 1.0" vs. "Alpha Male 2.0" sort of thing.

It's like the concept of "counter-projection" in psychology - a man who is obsessed with the notion of his faithful wife cheating on him, and is constantly insinuating accusations to this effect, may engineer exactly that situation due to his wife's frustration at being judged guilty before the crime is even committed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychologi...projection

Conversely, a slut who has notions of cheating all the time anyway with the average dude may in fact reign in her ways with a daddy figure who doesn't attempt to monitor or control her behavior, since she may get a thrill out of controlling her own behavior in an attempt to please him. Ideally, she's doing much of the work here - she's behaving responsibly and you're just giving her the opportunity to do so. I think with "daddy game" the "rule of the carrot" is far more effective than the "rule of the stick."

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((Possibly answering my own question: keep laying the pipe proper, and keep it nasty in the bedroom to counter the above. Still, that can falter as time goes on and comfort grows.))

Used very sparingly, I think a short flash of anger or a brief soft-next can do wonders to counter her becoming too comfortable, demanding, or overbearing.

"I'm not really angry. Just disappointed."

And of course, staying in decent shape and aggressive in the bedroom will definitely have her coming back for more. Nobody likes a pudgy, slobby, perpetually-tired Daddy. Let her know you're at the gym from time to time.

[456]

^^ @XPQ22 -- great post -- that hit on so many salient points.

Your examples of projection and counter-projection are dead-on even outside Daddy context.

And your conclusion of "rule of the carrot" >>> "rule of the stick" rings true in my LTR experiences. Fun daddy vs. "supervisor" daddy.

Short flashes of anger, brief soft-nexts, keeping in shape, and great sex are the Proper Manifestations of daddiness. Emotional arcs.

Men, forever seeking to optimize, must avoid the Improper Manifestations: getting lazy (i.e. couch dad), overly critical*, predictable sex. Emotional flatline.


* Men being critical, having standards, calling her out when she steps out of line, and not having a default puppy-approval state are obviously good things that contrast with average guys' behavior. Though it's all to easy (in my experience) to "over-optimize" this and create a negative outlet and/or crutch of default criticism, negativity, and selfishness when things aren't exactly as I like. This can kill the romance, whereas the more natural original form can stoke it.