[WestCoast]

OGNorCal is pretty much the definition of purple pill which is why he's struggling.

My advice unrelated to this:

1. Stop smoking weed
2. Stop believing in relationships, you even "hope" that Roosh gets married one day. You're still a "nice guy" you care so much about a random chick's opinion of you, give up the blue pill or you will get paved at the 7+ range
3. You still think chicks are out of your league this is a poverty mindset, if people don't start asking you "how the fuck are you with her" you're shooting too low
4. You overthink and suffer from paranoia this is how I am certain about point 1
5. You believe in ceilings there is no fucking ceiling

I can triangulate what you do, what you look like and your age bracket without even meeting you.

Stop analyzing, stop analyzing, stop analyzing

[OGNorCal707]

(11-15-2013 10:19 PM)McQueensPlayboyRules Wrote:  

"I waited till this afternoon to reply to her text, I sent her a short breezy message, that kind of put the ball in her court, she hasn't replied and I don't think she will. It's possible that she'll get back to me tomorrow, since taking forever to reply to texts seems to be part of her playbook, but chances are she won't.

My game plan is to hit her up Sunday night and tell her I'm going to this dancehall reggae party that pops off on Monday night and tell her to join me, if she somehow does than I think I will have a good chance of smashing, but if she doesn't then I will just consider her to be a completely dead prospect and move on."

Not to be a dick, but I called this when I said to respond with 'k' and then not text her until next week.

If you contact her on Sunday, then you're really reaching. Forget about this slut. It's Friday. Go out tonight and Sat night and pull new bitches. That's it.

Yeah you're probably right, I thought about following your advice to the T, but decided to do my own thing. I know you are a far more advanced player, and I appreciate the advice, in retrospect it probably would be better than what I did, but oh well. In a way, I'm kind of over having to play all these subtle little games anyways.

As for hitting her up Sunday night, yeah that will be "reaching", but I figure what the fuck, it can't hurt, she's either going to be down or she isn't. If she isn't than I've already accepted that, I think I will go to reggae night with my bro anyways, so it will be game on with finding new hoes.

Live and learn.

[The Lizard of Oz]

(11-15-2013 10:22 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 10:18 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

OG, did you take Mech up on his texting offer? If not, you should have (or should if it's still on tap).

Naw probably should have, but didn't feel like fucking with trying to upload my texts online, also was meeting up with a friend for dinner so didn't have much time.

Well, Mech has a real knack for this stuff so if you let him do it he'd probably get that girl nice and ready for you. Basically, anytime an expert offers to give you hand-on help like that just take it, have no ego about it, let him do it and benefit from it. And as a side bonus, watch it in real time and see if there is anything you can learn.

[OGNorCal707]

(11-15-2013 10:25 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

OGNorCal is pretty much the definition of purple pill which is why he's struggling.

My advice unrelated to this:

1. Stop smoking weed
2. Stop believing in relationships, you even "hope" that Roosh gets married one day. You're still a "nice guy" you care so much about a random chick's opinion of you, give up the blue pill or you will get paved at the 7+ range
3. You still think chicks are out of your league this is a poverty mindset, if people don't start asking you "how the fuck are you with her" you're shooting too low
4. You overthink and suffer from paranoia this is how I am certain about point 1
5. You believe in ceilings there is no fucking ceiling

I can triangulate what you do, what you look like and your age bracket without even meeting you.

Stop analyzing, stop analyzing, stop analyzing

Yeah you're right about about a lot of that stuff. I like smoking weed and don't plan to quit, but agree that it's not good for game, and try to abstain from smoking before going out to the bars.

I don't want to get so jaded that I completely stop believing in relationships, although I probably should at this point. For the record I don't think I ever once said I wanted Roosh to get married, I just thought it was a waste to leave his "Anna" chick in the Ukraine, based on how high he was over her. I am too nice of a guy, but I don't want to let that part of me die completely, to be honest I think it's sad that modern American women shit on nice guys so much, but I guess that's just the way it is.

Do I think girls are "out of my league", I'd say this may be partially true, I've only hooked up with 2 maybe 3 true 8/10s and never anything better than that. I say that I'm more of a realist when it comes to what I can pull, but I am trying to step it up and pursue more hot chicks that I'm attracted to, as opposed to "picking low hanging fruit" as I've done in the past.

I know you will say I should move to a new location ASAP, but the truth is there are very few women here that are truly 8+ on the scale, this makes the competition for these women incredibly hard, so it's not like Miami or Santa Barbara where they are on every street corner.

I for sure do over think things and I know that I need to chill on that. I wouldn't say that I suffer from "paranoia" I think that is a bit of a stretch.

Anyhow like always I welcome the feedback, while I feel like you guys are being kind of hard on me, it's all good, I can take it and probably need to hear it anyways. One thing I will say, is that I could care less if I look beta to you all, I never embellish shit on here and come 100% with the honesty, whether that makes me look "purple pill" or not, I am still a man very much in a state of evolution.

[Valhalla]

^like this post

You come across as a real dude most guys would never dish out anything not 100% positive about themselves on here

[WestCoast]

@OG the guy I know with the best game I have ever seen I called him "Atari" like the original "game" box

He told me: "yeah you can be a nice guy, be nice to your boys. Just don't bring it to the women"

There is a ton of truth in that statement. You can be a nice guy to other GUYS.

Most guys try to treat the women like princesses and try to compete with everyone for her attention.

DO THE OPPOSITE

Be nice to guys, look at the forum all the higher ranked people will happily front a tab give you a hook up and straight up have your back all night. this is NOT a coincidence.

Are you no longer a nice guy if you channel that niceness to men?

That's how you win @ life.

--

I mean shit I can guaran-damn-tee you I have fucked up more approaches in the last 3 years than most people will fuck up in their life. So who cares if you've banged only two 8's why did you catch feelings so quick for a 7.5? If you approach more I will bet my life savings you'll bang another 8. You just have to lose the nice guy shit with them.

Feelings about relationships die once you see enough.

The tipping point was watching my boy "Atari" bang a chick on the night she got engaged. LOL I knew the truth at that point.

Man now that I think about it he just turned 38 and is still doing this shit.

[Hotwheels]

You don't seem to have a problem with getting the broads interested, so don't get down on yourself. You do have a problem with closing.

A lot of salesmen have this issue. They never ask for the sale as they are afraid that being so bold to ask for what the customer wants will blow up in their face. So what if the guy came on the lot looking to buy a fucking car. Asking for the sale will scare him off? No...

Same thing when a prospect asks if they are trying to sell them something. "Nooooooooo."

Bad move. Own it.

"Are you trying to get me in bed?"

chump; "Noooooooooo"

player; "Hell yes"

Saying that I am not saying to "ask" for it, but I think you follow.

Assume the sale.

Always be closing.™

You'll never lose a sale for asking, but you will lose every one that you don't.

[WestCoast]

^ great advice

I also say he doesn't seem to be getting into state. I would remind myself that I have fucked 2 8's and mentally focus on how I felt.

That's the vibe you need, girls should smell the aggression on you.

Assume the sale is pretty much how it always goes down. That's what "leading" means.

"Let's go."

Not

"Hey you want to get a drink at bar x?"

The "?" Is the weakest form of conversation with a Woman. Remove all question marks.

[OGNorCal707]

I think I'm going to take McQueen's advice this time around, I'm not going to text her Sunday night. At this point I've done enough chasing, and I've already mentally "lost the frame" whether she knows it or not. I put her on the pedestal, got too mentally/emotionally invested, and basically just "cared too much."

I put the ball in her court, which may have been a bad move, but at least now I know if she texts me again, it's "game on", if not it's "game over." I am going to say fuck my Tuesday morning BJJ class and plan to hit dancehall night with a vengeance. Westcoast may be right, I probably am "purple pill" (ha reminds me of an eminem song), if anything positive can come of this experience, it may be to help reinforce the red pill and kill the inner beta that's like a parasite that doesn't want to die.

[WestCoast]

^ also now that this played out she Said the following

"Sorry it didn't end up like you expected"

Translation.

"I knew that taking you home meant sex and was expecting you to fuck my brains out".

Try the aggressive makeout up against the wall move. It's a go to special for me ha.

So I agree with hotwheels, closing time is about NO hesitation, assume the sale.

How about this any time you are with a chick 1/1 where the doors are closed pretty much assume sex should occur.

I also just sent you a PM.

[R Smoov]

I don't have much mindblowing game advice to say.
But since you my homie all I'll say is this.

Don't lose sleep over it man. Hell don't miss practice over that chick. You'll just be sitting there rationalizing how you did terribly. Go to BJJ and get that energy out.

You'll then be able to hit up that club better knowing the fact that you did something cool rather than let shorty fuck your day up.

You got better game than me. So don't give up!

[El_Superbeasto]

OG, don't be too hard on yourself. Once upon a time I had sexy ass chick give me a tour of her bedroom and and start talking about wanting to get fucked and I still somehow managed to fuck that shit off. Any guy who claims he hasn't fucked off some pussy staring him in the face is either lying about it or lying about being a player. In a year, you'll think about this shit and laugh.

I think McQueen is giving you good advice. Don't text on Sunday. And just because she hasn't responded to one of your texts doesn't necessarily mean you're out of the game. Especially if there was some attraction there, you'd be surprised at the number of chicks who will reestablish contact, sometimes month later, if you maintain radio silence. Worst comes to worst you just simply text her "hey" if she hasn't hit you up after a week or two, and move on if you don't get a bite.

[tpiddy]

(11-15-2013 10:39 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 10:25 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

OGNorCal is pretty much the definition of purple pill which is why he's struggling.

My advice unrelated to this:

1. Stop smoking weed

Yeah you're right about about a lot of that stuff. I like smoking weed and don't plan to quit, but agree that it's not good for game, and try to abstain from smoking before going out to the bars.

I was a full time, nearly 24/7 pothead from ages 16-24 and now have been completely weed free for 7 years.

I know getting older has helped my game but I think stopping the weed was the single biggest improvement I made in regards to my close rate. I am just more cold blooded in all mental states now.

"I love weed, LOVE IT! Probably always will! But not as much as I love pussy! The end." - Thurgood Jenkins, Half baked

[Giovonny]

A few things come to my mind:

1)Hippie Culture: I know where you live, the hippie culture is strong there. Hippie culture is not good for building a man's primal aggression. There is a time to be chill BUT there is also a time to be aggressive. Sometimes, the hippies can mellow us a little too much.. Consider being more aggressive and less sensitive to the girls initial feelings. Less hippy, more douchebag.

2) Small Town Atmosphere: In a smaller town, you have to be more careful of your reputation. This can cause us to be less aggressive because we know we will see the girls again. Again, our primal aggression is not free to experiment and explore..

3) Weed: Weed can help us rest better and see the world in a new way but it can also hurt us. Slower mental processing speed, less awareness of subtleties, less aggression, paranoia, over analyzing, getting stuck "in our own head"..

Combine these 3 factors and you have a situation where the man is not allowed to freely express himself..

-You can't be as aggressive as you should, because its a hippie town and they look down on aggressive males.

-You can't go after girls with 100% freedom and peace of mind because the town is too small and you'll quickly get a reputation.

-Getting high causes you to over-think all of this and only furthers the "existential crises" in your mind.

Maybe its time to move on from that town???

If you lived in a big city you would probably be way more aggressive and you would probably have gotten that 3some! Big cities have their own challenges but sometimes new challenges is what we need.

[OGNorCal707]

I think a large part of why I got so worked up for this chick, is deep down inside I wanted to "connect" with a chick and have a more "meaningful relationship". I won't lie, I'm on a dry spell right now, so I guess it's hard to maintain the "abundance mentality" when you're not getting any. If I was in a situation where I was getting laid consistently or had multiple fuck buddies like I have in the past, I doubt I would have pedestalized this chick the way that I did.

This year I've notched up more than just about any other year since I've gotten into game, but most of those chicks were ONS or girls that I kept as fuck buddies but wasn't all that into. Pretty much all my best friends are in long term relationships, so I guess I just started to get lonely being the odd man out with out a steady chick. Part of it is this time of year up here, (I wrote about it in my thread "fall and winter suck"), where people are nesting and women are getting into relationships, etc.

Another part of it is that I've just gotten kind of tired of banging chicks that I'm not that into, or just "pumping and dumping" them. I know that this is the prevalent attitude that is popular on the forum, and I know it sounds beta, but I'm kind of over the concept of "sport fucking" just to rack up a bunch of notches with chicks that I don't care about.

Now before I continue, I should also say that I don't want to sound too blue pill, like I am just hoping to fall in love, settle down, have kids, get married, drive a mini van, and live in the suburbs. But, I could care less whether I get one notch or one hundred in the next year, I am more concerned with the quality of females that I fuck with.

So when I met the chick that inspired this thread, I felt like everything was falling into place and I was meeting that chick. We really seemed to hit it off and I thought the mutual attraction was there, and we were really compatible and good for each other. I guess I got my hopes up too high, and caught feelings which is always a recipe for disaster when dealing with the modern American female.

I haven't had a real girlfriend for almost 3 years now. My last relationship ended up being a total disaster, and as cliche as it sounds I had my "heart ripped out of my chest". I swore off relationships and developed a really dark cynical and jaded attitude, much of which I will admit was totally warranted. For the last 3 years it's been nothing but one night stands, and fuck buddies that I either wasn't crazy about, or kept at a distance, because I didn't want to allow myself to "catch feelings" and allow myself to be vunerable to getting my heart ripped out like I did in my last relationship.

Sure, I am horny and want to get laid just as much as the next guy. I know that variety is the spice of life, and when I see a beautiful women with a banging body I want to have sex with her, but yet I also know that constantly chasing pussy with no real attachment other than the desire to stick my dick in a wet whole also feels kind of empty.

A lot of you guys will say I am beta, and who knows maybe I am, right now I am drunk after a night out at the bars so I'm just flowing off the top of how I feel in this moment.

Even though I fucked up with this chick and violated the rules of the game, and still am disappointed that things didn't work out, at least I got a lot of opportunity to be introspective and learn and grow from this experience. As the saying goes, "whatever doesn't kill you, only makes you stronger."

For the future my new goal is to abstain from porn and masturbation as much as possible. I always thought the no fap guys were making too big a deal out of it, but now I am starting to think that it is the true path. Porn always makes me feel numb, and creates a "mind-body disconnect" when I am with an actual chick about to have sex in real life. I have had times when I was having a hard time getting it up, and mentally I was thinking about some nasty porn bitch doing ass to mouth to get my dick hard. There is something seriously wrong with that, an I feel like my brain circits have been fried from too much porn.

Even though part of me is sick of the game, the bullshit, the stuck up bitches, the dumb ass whores who will fuck me and not even remember me a month later when I re-approach them at the bars. Yeah, I have been drunk as shit and taken girls home, but I always remember the chicks I fuck. It doesn't cease to amaze me when girls I've fucked (and fucked well) as well as friends of mine who have fucked chicks and then they didn't remember us when we saw them later, it makes me wonder how many guys they've fucked in their lives, if they can't remember a guy they went home with who stuck their penis in them.

Shit, I guess I'm going off into the realm of a tangent, but I just needed to get some more shit off my chest. I'm about to reread the Tao Te Ching, and I want to be the Lao Tzu of the game. I want to not give a fuck and remain non-attached no matter what, just keep constantly flowing like a stream on non-attachment. A beautiful girl wants to fuck me and is in love with me, cool I remain nonattached. My ideal woman I want and desire, totally rejects me or flakes out without a thought, cool I remain nonattached.

I have a lot of room to grow, and I know I will continue to evolve and go through many incarnations. Unfortunately the longer I spend in the game and the more trials and tribulations I deal with, the more I feel that this culture and society, and its' women are sick. As much as I don't want to let that hopeless romantic die, my real life experience tells me, that it's not an option. I will continue to do what I do, and maybe one day I will meet a genuine chick that is worth a true level of attachment and investment, it may be here in the U.S., but probably not.

[soup]

I think I would check out this thread more often if I was new and it said random thoughts from Orgnocal707 instead of OG.

OG means "original gangster."

[Courage Reborn]

(11-14-2013 07:31 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

she even said something like "sorry, but I'm going to be sleeping her bed tonight, that's my pussy."

Side note on this.

A few times now I've been in the club, or on the phone with a chick I was actively gaming, when her friend came to cock block/give me shit in a playful way, and eventually say, "that's my pussy".

In each case, the friend was never as hot. Also had more lesbo tendencies than the main girl I was trying to bang. Exactly like the redhead in your story.

It's really annoying. A dude protecting his territory wouldn't even say this so directly. But the friend does have some claim here, being that she's hit it before you.

The ideal play is to convert to a threesome, but the friend is operating from selfish cunt mode in these situations.

Anyone figured out the correct play for when lez friend says, 'that's my pussy"?

[thebassist]

OG, I somehow get the impression that you rely 100% on night game.

I do think it's much easier to 'burn out' on night game, due to the high-paced atmosphere, amount of attention-whoring, and overinflated egos that tend to accompany it.

Have you ever considered switching more to day game?

I've asked you this before, but I didn't get a reply.

The reason I ask is that it seems you would avoid a lot of these factors: the pace is much slower, you don't have to be as aggressive or extroverted (though this only applies initially for aggression, there is always a time to dial it up), and you can approach much hotter chicks without getting insta-rejected, giving you a much better chance of making a connection.

This concept of making connections also applies to the kind of chicks who you end up hooking. With this approach, I believe you will have a much higher chance of avoiding

Quote:

the stuck up bitches, the dumb ass whores who will fuck me and not even remember me a month later

simply because I doubt there would be very much chemistry between you and chicks like that.

If true, genuine connections with the chicks you end up banging are what you are looking for, then day game is really the best way to go about it. It is up to you to select based on chemistry from the pool of chicks you approach. I'd really recommend you check out some classic Gio posts, and read through the approach thread, there's tons of good stuff to be found.

[OGNorCal707]

@Thebassist, you are right, I do rely just about 100% on night game, and that is surely a flaw that I should work on in the future. I've dabbled in day game very minimally, and more or less gave up on it, although my last lay came from "day game", but it was a chick at the grocery store who was eye fucking the shit out of me and she practically gamed me.

I don't know for some reason I just feel awkward and less confident approaching during the day, though I know that it's a defeatist attitude and something that if I worked on I could improve and get better at. Maybe I just haven't found the right recipe, but most of the day approaches I did, the girls always seemed to be really "caught off guard" and I felt like it was hard to keep them planted in place and interested in what I had to say.

In the future I think I will need to work more on some kind of "nice game" or "fishbowl game", we'll see if that ever comes to fruition, and the ideas I've thought of are getting into yoga (always a supply of fit hotties), or working as a bouncer or bartender (which is still nightlife and gives me access to dumb bar hoes, but hey if they're throwing the pussy at me, I'll take it), or working at this local organic grocery store that is full of hotties that work and shop there.

I agree that night game is easy to burn out on and often times you run into situations where there are so many dudes hollering at the same females that it creates a situation where their egos get inflated out of control and they just act like straight up bitches.

Some chicks are just straight up mean, last night I approached a 3 set and thought I opened well, right after I finished with my opener, the friend of the girl I was talking to, said "sorry she's not interested she's got a boyfriend, bye". I kind of deflected it and continued trying to talk to her friend, and then she butt in again and was like "oh and I hate your sweater", (I was wearing a nice Kenneth Cole cardigan), I was like "oh really, why do you hate it", she said you look like a "homosexual", I just LOLed and kept it moving. My two bros were just like goddamn that was harsh, they couldn't believe that I had "taken it on the chin" like that from that chick and walked away with a smile on my face, most guys that haven't had much time in the game would probably let that ruin their nights.

Anyhow, thanks for your feedback as always, I do need to eventually shift away from solely relying on night game. I will admit that even though I don't need to get shit faced drunk to approach chicks, I do use alcohol as a crutch and feel much more confident and at ease to approach when I've had a couple drinks in me. That said, I know I possess the knowledge of game and verbal ability to spit during the day without it, so I guess I just need to step it up and start spitting.

[WestCoast]

stop smoking weed fuck!

[Giovonny]

Sounds like you are yearning to connect with a woman. This is natural and normal. You need a girlfriend for winter.

This should be your new challenge in life.. Can you get a gf for winter?!?!?

Honor yourself and your own needs, approach more, go harder.

Refuse to be another lonely beta. Fight for your life. Adjust your strategy.

A change of scenery will serve you well.

[Agastya]

Dude, is it at all possible for you to move away from where you live? I've passed through the far north of California on vacation multiple times. Even as a twelve year old, I could tell that the girls in places like Redding and Humboldt were beat. Do you have the financial capacity to get out of there?

[thegmanifesto]

(11-17-2013 01:20 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

the friend of the girl I was talking to, said "sorry she's not interested she's got a boyfriend, bye". I kind of deflected it and continued trying to talk to her friend, and then she butt in again and was like "oh and I hate your sweater", (I was wearing a nice Kenneth Cole cardigan), I was like "oh really, why do you hate it", she said you look like a "homosexual",

Holy Sh*t.

That is brutal.

You need to pack your bags ASAP.

[Travesty]

(11-17-2013 01:26 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

stop smoking weed fuck!

To add to this take ZMA if you don't, every day the full dose. Better sleep, tops off your natural T levels at least in my experience.

No porn. No jerking off. Exercise. Go maul some girls.

And get the fuck out of NorCal, the society up there is affecting you too much.