[JayJuanGee]

(10-25-2018 01:07 AM)Sgt Donger Wrote:  

(10-25-2018 12:32 AM)Incubus Wrote:  

When the brain goes to shit because of boredom

Yep, major risk.

Boredom creeps up on you, soon enough your breakfast is a six pack of beer, and then onto the vodka. Then you start doing stupid shit that you wake up and can vaguely remember...and regret.

I understand that a lot of folks who become rich and famous turn to alcohol and drugs, and then seem to kind of screw up their physical health.... when I say "a lot" I don't really know the number, but I understand such phenomenon to exist as a talking point about risk.

Surely, guys like us, who have lived beyond 40, if we are able to achieve a certain level of success by the time we get to 40, then we likely have systems in place to keep ourselves from becoming bored - yet I understand that there is no way that I can speak for all of us. Accordingly, it does seem that we must attempt to maintain a certain level of vigilance because even if we become rich and/or we have a lot of access to pussy (and perhaps drugs, too), we should understand (and keep in mind, even if we are tempted into a more narrow hedonistic lifestyle) that our meat wagon remains our most valuable tool that we need to attempt to preserve and maintain.

[JayJuanGee]

(10-25-2018 02:05 AM)Pytonga Wrote:  

I am finding that recovery takes longer plus I am getting muscles cramps not sure why.
That's a little bit concerning.

Without really knowing the parameters of your diet, I am kind of stabbing in the dark, but do you have any bone broth in your diet? If not, maybe try to add 2-3 times a week, perhaps? just to see if something like that helps.

By the way, 40? NOT to be patronizing, but you are merely in the beginning stages.. hahahahahaha

[Shemp]

I'm 57 myself. I would agree that this thread should be split into a 40+ Game thread and 40+ Health thread in the Lifestyle section.

Regarding game, here's an excerpt from something I just posted in the SeekingArrangement thread: Has any of you guys been to jury selection lately. I was not selected myself, but I saw who was: 80% middle class women age 40-60 plus a couple of spineless young beta males who'll follow the women. You really want to face a jury like that on a false rape charge made by a pretty young girl who can cry at will? Young female district attorney was smart as a whip, way smarter than me at thinking on her feet and I'm no fool, aggressive ball-busting type. This was for some domestic violence case: trailer trash white male aged 55 or so beat his girlfriend black and blue. Demanded a jury trial because the plea bargain offer was bad (from his POV). Judge and DA both in a jovial mood: cut and dried conviction with no possibility of successful appeal makes it look like they're doing their jobs.

I'm cross-posting here because I think its something older men need to think about. It has always and everywhere been true that no one really likes older men. It's only when you become a senile doddering wreck with urinary incontinence problems that people start pitying you and you get shown some mercy. An older man still in his prime can be respected, feared, admired, hated, but seldom is such a man given the benefit of the doubt and shown indulgent love like a young man just starting out in life, especially handsome young men.

The same thing is true with animals, BTW. The adult male dog is generally a better hunting, herding, protection or other working dog than younger males or females of any age, but the adult males are not nearly as loveable as pets. They are rougher looking. Saw an adult male sheep protection dog lying at the side of a pasture the other day, big bullet hole in the side, rotting in the sun, a warning to the remaining dogs. Maybe didnt obey orders or otherwise fucked up, maybe just too old to be useful. As older men, we can expect similar treatment from society if we fuck up, including failing to obey unwritten rules.

[John Dodds]

(10-24-2018 07:00 PM)Ronster Wrote:  

Thanks, man... and now, not even doing anything but having been the last guy out from a room this evening, and feeling concerned over some woman still remaining behind, would you believe I get accused of stalking? Just this evening. WTF is wrong with this world? This crazy woman threatened to call the cops.

You're just in the wrong country, a holiday in the Philippines/Vietnam/Thailand will soon sort you out. Countries where the women will chase you, and you can just pick and choose. I've been out here for 10 years, since age 52 and can't believe the number of young and attractive women I've banged. None of this feminist silliness you seem to be encountering.
As for health issues, I don't have any problems cycling 40Km or hiking 20Km in a morning, you've just gotta get out and do it.

[Jefferson]

John, I am assuming you do not do this every day, cycling 40km or hiking 20Km?

[JayJuanGee]

(10-26-2018 01:57 AM)Shemp Wrote:  

I'm 57 myself. I would agree that this thread should be split into a 40+ Game thread and 40+ Health thread in the Lifestyle section.

Such split seems unnecessary. As long as you are over 40 you should be able to read and figure out which posts in this thread interest you and which ones do not, and if posts don't interest you, then skim them or skip them.

[rudebwoy]

(10-26-2018 03:10 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 01:57 AM)Shemp Wrote:  

I'm 57 myself. I would agree that this thread should be split into a 40+ Game thread and 40+ Health thread in the Lifestyle section.

Such split seems unnecessary. As long as you are over 40 you should be able to read and figure out which posts in this thread interest you and which ones do not, and if posts don't interest you, then skim them or skip them.

What is with the newbies coming in here making recommendations??

No rep points and not even 50 posts between them.

This is a great thread, maybe start from the beginning. I recommend Giovnny posts, excellent stuff about gaming young girls.

There are already two seeking arrangement threads, is there anything new that needs to discuss about that.

[Ronster]

Thanks Incubus and rest of you replying with words of wisdom... BTW, that woman who made an accusation last week has personally apologized to me. But nonetheless, it was a good lesson and your points also are well-taken here. I feel young-at-heart and health-wise, but I must not fall into the trap of believing I am the invincible 20-something I used to be (tho I threw those years away drinking and drugging, I won't be returning to them as a better young man).

I will admit -- Since I just moved to N Vermont, I am tempted to misbehave a bit out of boredom and wanting a little fun...

So, thanks for the reminder of reality. Yes, things are going well and so throwing a monkey-wrench into my life now would not be a good idea just to spice things up. I'll keep reading and taking in the experience of those of you who have found yourselves successful as you got older/wiser and living longer, healthier lives. Much appreciated!

[66Scorpio]

Half of the problems you encounter while aging are about attitude and lifestyle. The other half are the physical foibles of your body.

Knees and back are typical examples. I have a slipped disc in my C5-6 that pinches a nerve. Every few years I get raging pain in my neck and shoulder and all the way down to pins and needles in my thumb.

That sort of shit falls apart and you have to deal with it.

Money, women, boredom, tele-fucking-ology: the we are mental and spiritual challenges.

[JayJuanGee]

(10-29-2018 10:55 AM)66Scorpio Wrote:  

Half of the problems you encounter while aging are about attitude and lifestyle. The other half are the physical foibles of your body.

Knees and back are typical examples. I have a slipped disc in my C5-6 that pinches a nerve. Every few years I get raging pain in my neck and shoulder and all the way down to pins and needles in my thumb.

That sort of shit falls apart and you have to deal with it.

Money, women, boredom, tele-fucking-ology: the we are mental and spiritual challenges.

I can relate to your back issue, somewhat, but surely not to the level that you seem to be describing that your back issue is ongoing and sometimes worse (and debilitating).

When I was in my early 20s, I had a couple of injuries to my lower back (like the T4, T5 area, and then also to my right shoulder. For many years, after each of those injuries, I would have flare ups, and surely the back one was the most debilitating of the two. I recall having to stay in bed for days until my back sufficiently recovered (that happened even 5 years after the initial injury) and went out of spasm mode.

For some reason, whatever I did including exercises focusing on the injured areas, passage of time, etc, allowed my body to sufficiently recover from both of those injuries, even though once in a while, about 30 years later, I will have smaller levels of flare ups for each of the areas.

I think that part of my recovery luck was that the injuries were when I was so young that my body was able to build around them (perhaps? I am not sure).

Like you said, if you are older, your body won't recover so well, so likely we have to be a bit more careful in the kinds of physical activities that we attempt because of the impact that any injury would have, but I suppose there still can be regular exercises that any of us can do, once we are injured, in order to attempt to lessen the frequency and severity of flare ups - even while some injuries might be so far gone that they continue to be pests, and also might become worse by aging, even while we are attempting to maintain or to cause them to heal? And surely diet and sleep are going to be helpful, too.

[Hypno]

73 year old Don McLean and his 25 year old American pie.

[TheMaleBrain]

Patrick Stwart's wife (age 39).
Beta move, but still - pulling a 40 years younger women. RESPECT

[rudebwoy]

She looks like a tranny.

Big jaw and big head.

[Hypno]

Not a tranny.

[reco2100]

(10-29-2018 03:10 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(10-29-2018 10:55 AM)66Scorpio Wrote:  

Half of the problems you encounter while aging are about attitude and lifestyle. The other half are the physical foibles of your body.

Knees and back are typical examples. I have a slipped disc in my C5-6 that pinches a nerve. Every few years I get raging pain in my neck and shoulder and all the way down to pins and needles in my thumb.

That sort of shit falls apart and you have to deal with it.

Money, women, boredom, tele-fucking-ology: the we are mental and spiritual challenges.

I can relate to your back issue, somewhat, but surely not to the level that you seem to be describing that your back issue is ongoing and sometimes worse (and debilitating).

When I was in my early 20s, I had a couple of injuries to my lower back (like the T4, T5 area, and then also to my right shoulder. For many years, after each of those injuries, I would have flare ups, and surely the back one was the most debilitating of the two. I recall having to stay in bed for days until my back sufficiently recovered (that happened even 5 years after the initial injury) and went out of spasm mode.

For some reason, whatever I did including exercises focusing on the injured areas, passage of time, etc, allowed my body to sufficiently recover from both of those injuries, even though once in a while, about 30 years later, I will have smaller levels of flare ups for each of the areas.

I think that part of my recovery luck was that the injuries were when I was so young that my body was able to build around them (perhaps? I am not sure).

Like you said, if you are older, your body won't recover so well, so likely we have to be a bit more careful in the kinds of physical activities that we attempt because of the impact that any injury would have, but I suppose there still can be regular exercises that any of us can do, once we are injured, in order to attempt to lessen the frequency and severity of flare ups - even while some injuries might be so far gone that they continue to be pests, and also might become worse by aging, even while we are attempting to maintain or to cause them to heal? And surely diet and sleep are going to be helpful, too.

Guys I talked about this on this thread a while back probably a year ago. If you have an injury to your back you will, of course, need to heal the injury. But most back problems are a result of emotional or mental issues going on in your life. And they show up as chronic lower back pain. Please read "Healing Back Pain" by Dr. Sarnow. He has treated something like 20,000 patients some of them with pain and back problems so debilitating that they could not walk. Many of his patients had already been to orthopedists, back specialists, and had surgery and drugs and physical therapy. He was able to treat them without using these modern and ineffective medical techniques.

My own experience is, of course, anecdotal but I had terrible back pain when I was in my thirties. I thought it was from a water skiing injury but it was not. Now I am in my mid-fifties and I rarely ever have any back pain. It is a myth that the back or other parts of the body wear out because of age. Certainly not at 50. The body is an amazing regenerative machine. If you give it the conditions to heal itself.

There are several other things you can do that have worked with me also.

[Pytonga]

Ok guys I've got a wee question and I am looking for your advice.

I am 40 in good shape (gym and hobbies) but my dream was always to start do some Martial Arts or Boxing - something to learn how to defend myself.
I had a short 2 yrs episode with Karate Shotokan and boxing (just a few sessions)

I am not thinking about competitions just training how to fight/defend maybe 2-3 times a week.

My biggest concern are injuries to my hands, back and legs (as I mentioned before recovery takes longer and that would mean break from gym scuba&sky diving)
any suggestions?

[TheMaleBrain]

(11-05-2018 10:05 AM)Pytonga Wrote:  

Ok guys I've got a wee question and I am looking for your advice.

I am 40 in good shape (gym and hobbies) but my dream was always to start do some Martial Arts or Boxing - something to learn how to defend myself.
I had a short 2 yrs episode with Karate Shotokan and boxing (just a few sessions)

I am not thinking about competitions just training how to fight/defend maybe 2-3 times a week.

My biggest concern are injuries to my hands, back and legs (as I mentioned before recovery takes longer and that would mean break from gym scuba&sky diving)
any suggestions?

The concern is legit.
My advice:
You should look for beginners class, and voice your concern to the instructor. This may mitigate it to some extent.
Stay in the beginners area and move slowly up.

[youngblazer]

(11-05-2018 09:13 AM)reco2100 Wrote:  

Guys I talked about this on this thread a while back probably a year ago. If you have an injury to your back you will, of course, need to heal the injury. But most back problems are a result of emotional or mental issues going on in your life. And they show up as chronic lower back pain. Please read "Healing Back Pain" by Dr. Sarnow. He has treated something like 20,000 patients some of them with pain and back problems so debilitating that they could not walk. Many of his patients had already been to orthopedists, back specialists, and had surgery and drugs and physical therapy. He was able to treat them without using these modern and ineffective medical techniques.

There's an app out there that tries to help this kind of psychosomatic pain, heard some good things
https://www.curablehealth.com/

[reco2100]

(11-05-2018 01:53 PM)youngblazer Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 09:13 AM)reco2100 Wrote:  

Guys I talked about this on this thread a while back probably a year ago. If you have an injury to your back you will, of course, need to heal the injury. But most back problems are a result of emotional or mental issues going on in your life. And they show up as chronic lower back pain. Please read "Healing Back Pain" by Dr. Sarnow. He has treated something like 20,000 patients some of them with pain and back problems so debilitating that they could not walk. Many of his patients had already been to orthopedists, back specialists, and had surgery and drugs and physical therapy. He was able to treat them without using these modern and ineffective medical techniques.

There's an app out there that tries to help this kind of psychosomatic pain, heard some good things
https://www.curablehealth.com/

I have not heard of it but I will have to check it out. Thanks.

If you have pain in your body outside of an actual injury or disease. It is related to your mind somehow.

[John Dodds]

(10-26-2018 09:55 AM)Jefferson Wrote:  

John, I am assuming you do not do this every day, cycling 40km or hiking 20Km?

Minimum 3 days a week, but some weeks 6 days.
(August was cycling every day because a pal came over from Oman)
Depending on the weather, monsoon has just finished, so I'm working up to full fitness again.
Just did 15Km hike and 1000m elevation gain this morning
Another 12Km hike planned for tomorrow and Saturday.
I often fill in between the hikes with cycling, minimum 25Km.

[John Dodds]

(11-05-2018 09:13 AM)reco2100 Wrote:  

My own experience is, of course, anecdotal but I had terrible back pain when I was in my thirties. I thought it was from a water skiing injury but it was not. Now I am in my mid-fifties and I rarely ever have any back pain.

Almost exactly the same for me, crippled by back pain in my 30s, all gone by my mid-50s. I put the cure down to losing my frigid western wife and a lot of hiking.

[Richard Turpin]

(11-05-2018 10:05 AM)Pytonga Wrote:  

Ok guys I've got a wee question and I am looking for your advice.

I am 40 in good shape (gym and hobbies) but my dream was always to start do some Martial Arts or Boxing - something to learn how to defend myself.
I had a short 2 yrs episode with Karate Shotokan and boxing (just a few sessions)

I am not thinking about competitions just training how to fight/defend maybe 2-3 times a week.

My biggest concern are injuries to my hands, back and legs (as I mentioned before recovery takes longer and that would mean break from gym scuba&sky diving)
any suggestions?

Pytonga, I'm in a similar postion to yourself at a similar age. I've done Judo and a little boxing in the past so can only talk about those. Being concerned over your hands, you should really stay clear of both these unfortunately. Judo in particular damages your hands and fingers, everyone in my Judo class had taped fingers after being injured. I myself dislocated a thumb. It's just unavoidable. Lots of boxers I know have broken fingers and hands, it's very common.

I loved Judo but stopped because of injuries. Having stopped it for a couple of years I am now in great shape health-wise and still have the urge to bet back into Martial Arts. I reckon Aikido looks like a good fit for me at my time of life and I'm looking into classes nearby.

It's tricky though. If you were just a youngster I would tell you to do MMA/Boxing/Kickboxing/Judo/BJJ. A few years at any of those would stand you in good stead for life. But being over 40? You have to take your health into account. Of those I mentioned, BJJ is slower, less explosive and probably the 'safest'. BJJ is also kinder on your fingers than something like Judo.

[reco2100]

(11-06-2018 01:08 AM)John Dodds Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 09:13 AM)reco2100 Wrote:  

My own experience is, of course, anecdotal but I had terrible back pain when I was in my thirties. I thought it was from a water skiing injury but it was not. Now I am in my mid-fifties and I rarely ever have any back pain.

Almost exactly the same for me, crippled by back pain in my 30s, all gone by my mid-50s. I put the cure down to losing my frigid western wife and a lot of hiking.

It was really an amazing transformation from the weak and painful existence I lived with when I was younger and the health and energy I have today. Not everything is perfect and I still have minor issues to deal with. But I am on no medications. My weight is 30 pounds less than it was when I was younger, I can eat unhealthy foods in moderation, and I feel great.

All of my friends are overweight, on multiple prescription meds and when I tell them how I got healthy. They look at me like I am from outer space. They cannot conceive of being off of their hypertension meds, or SSRI's, or whatever crazy concoction their doctor put them on. The American practice of modern medicine for chronic conditions has done a tremendous disservice to our country.

I will give you an example. I had a friend. Well, he was not a good friend. He was a bit of a jerk. He was a friend of a friend. It was about 10 years ago and he was having terrible debilitating back pain. He was bent over like some kind of cripple moaning and complaining of his back pain and saying how he was going to have to get back surgery to fuse his vertebrae. Now any good doctor would tell you that this kind of surgery is for a last resort. But this guy just knew this is what he needed.

I was very confident in my own back pain success so I told him my story and mistakenly gave him the unsolicited advice on how to fix it. He wanted nothing to do with it. Saying that what he had was serious. Strangely enough, he needed his problem to be serious in his life. His life was a fucking mess his wife hated him and made him miserable all of the time. He had a drinking problem.

Two years later I saw him at a party and it was after the back surgery. And he was bent over complaining about his back pain still but now he had the additional loss of mobility of fusing his vertebrae. He saw me and admitted I must think he was an idiot. I said nothing. Funny thing was he still did not even mention how he could get my earlier recommendation. He just was so sick inside he needed this pain for whatever reason.

There is a lot more to health than taking a pill or cutting on someone.

[JayJuanGee]

(11-06-2018 04:15 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  

(11-06-2018 01:08 AM)John Dodds Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 09:13 AM)reco2100 Wrote:  

My own experience is, of course, anecdotal but I had terrible back pain when I was in my thirties. I thought it was from a water skiing injury but it was not. Now I am in my mid-fifties and I rarely ever have any back pain.

Almost exactly the same for me, crippled by back pain in my 30s, all gone by my mid-50s. I put the cure down to losing my frigid western wife and a lot of hiking.

It was really an amazing transformation from the weak and painful existence I lived with when I was younger and the health and energy I have today. Not everything is perfect and I still have minor issues to deal with. But I am on no medications. My weight is 30 pounds less than it was when I was younger, I can eat unhealthy foods in moderation, and I feel great.

All of my friends are overweight, on multiple prescription meds and when I tell them how I got healthy. They look at me like I am from outer space. They cannot conceive of being off of their hypertension meds, or SSRI's, or whatever crazy concoction their doctor put them on. The American practice of modern medicine for chronic conditions has done a tremendous disservice to our country.

I will give you an example. I had a friend. Well, he was not a good friend. He was a bit of a jerk. He was a friend of a friend. It was about 10 years ago and he was having terrible debilitating back pain. He was bent over like some kind of cripple moaning and complaining of his back pain and saying how he was going to have to get back surgery to fuse his vertebrae. Now any good doctor would tell you that this kind of surgery is for a last resort. But this guy just knew this is what he needed.

I was very confident in my own back pain success so I told him my story and mistakenly gave him the unsolicited advice on how to fix it. He wanted nothing to do with it. Saying that what he had was serious. Strangely enough, he needed his problem to be serious in his life. His life was a fucking mess his wife hated him and made him miserable all of the time. He had a drinking problem.

Two years later I saw him at a party and it was after the back surgery. And he was bent over complaining about his back pain still but now he had the additional loss of mobility of fusing his vertebrae. He saw me and admitted I must think he was an idiot. I said nothing. Funny thing was he still did not even mention how he could get my earlier recommendation. He just was so sick inside he needed this pain for whatever reason.

There is a lot more to health than taking a pill or cutting on someone.

We all want to live healthy, yet it still seems to me that guys who are really proactively attempting to make efforts to improve their power (which includes removal of pain) through preventative measures (rather than surgery - which really should be the last, last resort, like you said) are in the minority.

It takes a lot of effort to make a plan, stick with it and tweak it as necessary on an ongoing basis, and even any of us RVF guys might fall off the wagon, so to speak.

It's really difficult to tell anyone that you were right or "I told you so" because in the end, the guy needs to accept his choice(s), and most of us are likely a bit stubborn to admit when we take wrong turns.. but if we have to live with negative consequences (such as a fused back), then our parameters for making a decent forward path from there is going to become a greater challenge.

I will give a quick personal example from recent days in which I have been feeling some shortness of breath and chest pain (a kind of burning sensation). So, based on my already monitoring of my situation and my activism in respects to my own health and performance, questions for me continue to be whether I continue to exercise every day or whether to take a day off or to have lighter days (tweak my routine). Surely, my current work out is NOT very heavy but it remains regular and overall I feel a lot of improved performance on a lot of metrics (except for some recent sensations of the shortness of breath and the burning chest) because I mix in resistance training and cardio, but sometimes, it can be a bit difficult to decide on a personal level whether to take a day off or whether and how to change a routine or perhaps to attempt to figure out if diet or sleep could be tweaked a bit in order to improve the overall situation.

Even though guys here can give feedback and talk about their own situation and tweaks, no guy here is going to know all of the specifics of another guys situation, and ultimately, each of us is going to attempt to particularize our approach to our situation while there are only so many hours in a day to fit everything in or to tweak.

[Hypno]

You should measure your BP daily so if you feel off you can test your self and know whether it might be something serious.