[Greyman]

(11-19-2018 04:04 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  

(11-19-2018 03:40 PM)Barpilot Wrote:  

Here has whats been happening in the marketplace and society during the last 25 years ... we have gone from the nuclear family to no fault divorce and 10-15 years ago with the passing of VAWA we have given the tools of male destruction to millions of fat angry ex wives....and they have shown no shame or honesty in immediately abusing them. Drive by restraining orders have taken fathers out of their homes like you cant believe as she cleared the path to collect the child support without having the ex husband in the way. lots of men have had their lives destroyed by these laws. Girls need a strong father figure in the home and not just a step or series of overnight "uncles" girls need to know and have daddy's love because he is the first and most important man in her life. (not talking sex here you sick pervs) These girls are everywhere and they are attracted to older guys (I'm almost 50) and they are wide open for everything and thats the irony of the whole thing now that its come full circle and only going to get better ...These 18-25 yr old girls are now competing for the same men their mothers are only these girls have serious chops and can throw down much better than sweat pants wearing mom they are still feminine and you can bounce quarters off any part of their bodies and get change back for a buck. oral anal two girls you name it its on the menu ... where do you find them? everywhere but Ive found most of mine on seeking.com and I will put my last 10 bangs up against anyone's here the problem Ive had lately is that my last 2 have been 19 and 20 and can't even legally drink yet. Don't feel bad for is because the high quality girls aren't the bar flies you find doing a lounge act ... nope

Is seeking.com the same as seeing arrangement the sugar daddy site? It appears to be. Are you paying these girls to date you? If so what are you paying them? And if not how do you get dates with them.

I am in your age range and I simply do not see the ease of finding the women 18-25 that you are finding is that easy. Unless there is a financial component then it becomes rather easy. But that is not my thing.

Please tell us about your last 10 bangs. I would love to see some details. About you and about the path to the bang.

x2....

I'm not exactly seeing how the relationship you describe is not transnational monetarily as the primary motivation, for said girls..wheres the line between $$$ for cars, insurance etc., and pay for play like ....as you're describing...???

[doc holliday]

Barpilot, explain something to me here. In your first paragraph you talk specifically about steadfastly trying to avoid pros, hookers, any sort of transactional relationship with these SA hoes but then in the very next sentence you talk about how you're giving this 19 yr old a 300/wk allowance and then about an allowance you were giving a previous girl. Now I'm one that doesn't necessarily have a problem dropping some coin to keep a bitch on your time frame and to make sure she's always putting forth her best when she's with you (while simultaneously recognizing the pitfalls of this type of relationship) but your tutorial here is all full of contradictions, very confusing. Of course we then have the obligatory disclaimer that you are of course an alpha male, an adventurous one at that. It's a shame that now even this thread is becoming infected with the same level of trollishness as the rest of the forum.

[Hypno]

He's also giving them a car!!!

Here's a tip, if she sends a picture taken in a hotel she might be a pro.

[rudebwoy]

(11-20-2018 12:35 PM)Barpilot Wrote:  

Here is how I play the SA game. First off I make it clear in my profile that any sex industry pros will be eliminated immediately because those are the ones on the hustle 24/7. I like the girl next door type who is in college, has an attraction towards older guys, can’t believe that she is even on a website like that but there she is. I am cocky funny and use text game when corresponding and try to get them off that platform ASAP by giving them my cell number and Snapchat. Make sure your profile is funny helps a lot. I am only looking for LTR and GFE I downplay the sex part and tell them it’s more about having a female feminine presence in my life and it’s the intimacy etc.of which sex is a part of. They ask about money and I tell them I am not interested in a transactional relationship but my last SB drove my Range Rover and was on my insurance and every week I put some money on a debit card for her in addition to everything else. I usually have to meet 6-10 of them before I find the one which provides all sorts of opportunities for some strange. If you are highly selective and stay clear of dancers and hookers then you will find a treasure who isn’t all about money I promise

Current SB met her last yr 19 rock hard going to school on a full ride academic scholarship down for anythIng smokin hot and fun to hang out with period. Coming up on a year in jan. Her allowance is 250 -300 week plus car plus insurance.

Before her I had a 3 yr arrangement with a girl now getting her graduate degree at Stanford she was 22 when we met smokin hot a perfect 10 funny very affectionate too bad I can’t post non nude photos

I’ve got a really good job ...dangerous ... very alpha male adventure hound work approx 14 on and 14 off. My mom asked me why I didn’t date girls closer to my own age and I told her that I have seen women my own age naked ... no thanks

You are giving a girl $1200 per month for what?

This is not the forum for you, that is not game but lame.

I wish guys would stop with this alpha male stuff, most guys on here aren't alpha males.

[Shemp]

It's perfectly alpha to pay (Trump paid Stormy Daniels, among other women, though I always shake my head when a guy calls himself alpha) but this is not a forum about paying. ISG is the forum for short-term one-off professional P4P. This is a forum about game, where girl opens her legs in exchange for "experience" man offers (combination of seduction charm and good sex). Probably there needs to be a forum for in-between sponsor type arrangements like what Barpilot is doing, but this isn't it, as the moderators have made clear in the past. (I was a lurker for a long time because I didn't want to become a compete addict by actively posting, which is exactly what I have become LOL).

[Dulceácido]

"I'm an alpha male." Pffft! Alpha males never say shit like that.

[Shemp]

Okay, so I just googled and no evidence Trump paid Stormy Daniels for their sexual encounter, just that he paid her later to shut up. Better example is his wife, who was definitely motivated by money. Indeed, any marriage where the man has more money than the woman is a form of sponsor game, and a very bad form at that because you don't know the price on advance. At least Barpilot can end his sponsorship arrangement any time he wants and that's the end of expenses (unless the girl then cries rape and he has to hire a lawyer, but that is unlikely if he is screening well). When a marriage ends, no telling how many additionally expenses.

Regardless, what Barpilot is doing definitely violates both letter and spirit of this forums rules. This would be a good time to clarify those rules because there are other guys besides Barpilot in this forum who are also violating those rules in spirit.

In his recent book Game, Roosh distinguishes 3 types of game: clown, provider and hybrid mix. And then he proceeds to focus on clown game. Clown game is where man offers sexual experiences to enliven woman's boring life. Man definitely has to expend his time and effort in clown game and he may also have to spend considerable money on clothes, nightclub fees, apartment and transportation expenses he would not have if celibate, etc. But all the woman carries away from all this expenditure is memories. (Yes, she might also carry away drinks and food that she consumed, but that is not sufficient motivation in richer countries if the woman is not enjoying herself.)

In provider game, woman carries away from her time spent with the man either cash or valuable gifts (or she gets cash kickback from expensive restaurant meals, as with professional daters in Ukraine). Provider game could also be called sponsorship game. Marriage where man earns more than woman (or where he provides valuable residency permit in rich country for woman from poor country) is a subset of provider game.

Both clown game and provider game have their challenges. Challenge is clown game is to make woman sexually attracted to you, which is not trivially easy other than for men who are naturally handsome. Challenge in provider game is to make sure you get your money's worth. In particular, a provider who wants to feel reciprocated sexual desire has to be very careful about weeding out the gold diggers who fake their desire, because the man will ultimately see through the fakery and feel cheated. Even if man doesn't care about reciprocated desire but just wants sexual access to woman's body, provider still has to worry about getting that in exchange for cash/gifts he provides. Many married men thought they would be getting permanent sexual access to their wives but instead find themelves paying a high price for nothing, because they played provider game badly.

Terms alpha, beta, gamma, etc probably confuse more than they clarify, but certainly there are plenty of men who most guys in this forum would call alpha, who take the most direct route to getting what they want in the way of sex, which is by paying, either as short term P4P or longer term provder game, including the marriage subset of provider game. But this forum is about clown game, and those men should go elsewhere. To talk about provider game here is like talking about baseball on a forum dedicated to basketball: sorry, wrong forum.

Now I mentioned earlier that, IMO, a lot of guys on this forum are crossing the border into provider game: married guys or guys seeking marriage where man has more money than woman, guys in seeking arrangement thread offering "blue bennies" ($100 bills) to girl as taxi money afterwards, etc. Either those guys should be on a separate forum or this forum should divide the current game section into clown and provider sections.

Many guys in the Philippines thread in the travel section have no intention of marrying and never falsely promise marriage, but marriage is what the girls are looking for. Giving away free samples of milk and hoping someone will eventually buy the cow. Is that clown game or provider game? I'd call that clown game played with very gullible women, women who didn't expect to be pumped and dumped. Once these women wise up, clown game (no material benefits for woman, just memories of experience) will likely be as challenging in the Philippines as elsewhere (at least for men who are not naturally handsome). And indeed, based on complaints in the Philippines thread lately, this wising up process seems to have happened not too long ago.

[gmoneysauce]

(11-20-2018 08:31 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

This is not the forum for you, that is not game but lame.

I wish guys would stop with this alpha male stuff, most guys on here aren't alpha males.

I wholeheartedly agree with rudebwoy on this one. I have seen my inner game or 'alphaness' grow by leaps and bounds in just the past few years. I was pretty alpha in high school when I was an athlete but I turned into a fucking beta doughboy in my 20's.

Just last night, I gave this guy shit in the gym for posing/flexing in the mirror. I thought it was funny and so totally gave him shit. He is a bigger dude than me but man I fucking alpha dogg'ed him seriously. I would never have done that shit ten years ago.

I have been on Seeking Arrangement off and on since the beginning of 2011 and yeah got an insane number of notches and more stories than you can believe and now wish I had never touched that fucking thing. I rationalized so much bad behavior.

[Imstevemcqueen]

Where are the best places to meet high quality 40+ year old women ? I'm talking fit, stable and educated.

[reco2100]

Welcome to the forum. That is a very wide open question. And not so easy to answer. There are tons of 40+-year-old women out there. If you are in America there are many places to look. However quality, fit, stable and educated is a very tall order. Most are going to have baggage a lot of baggage, kids, a divorce or two, a job they may not like, lots of drinking and antidepressants. But there are still some good women. Meetup groups can be good, the outdoors kinds are better. Also, professional networking groups can yield some leads. But once again you have to do a lot of filtering.

You do not say a lot in your post. Your current situation, where you are located, what specifically do you want the women for, dating, marriage, FB's etc...

I do not really look for "quality" 40+ women in the US anymore. Occasionally I stumble across one but I am not holding my breath.

[robreke]

(11-22-2018 10:35 AM)Imstevemcqueen Wrote:  

Where are the best places to meet high quality 40+ year old women ? I'm talking fit, stable and educated.

How old are you?

[MMM]

^ I like to day game at the "MILF Market" a high end inner ring suburban liquor store. Especially during the holiday season,  the 30 to 40 year old wine-loving cohort are drawn to it like bees to honey.  I post up in my car and when I see a prospect,  I follow her in and start up a chat about this wine or the other. The talk segues to holiday parties, wine drinking occasions, wine tasting tours, etc. Or you can elderly game them about wine, "I'm a Scotch drinker, I'm looking for a good wine for XYZ occasion."  Women love to talk about wine.

[Pytonga]

(11-22-2018 10:35 AM)Imstevemcqueen Wrote:  

Where are the best places to meet high quality 40+ year old women ? I'm talking fit, stable and educated.

This is a really difficult thing - like searching for Unicorn. Most 40 yrs old are with heavy baggage - divorce, kids or some other shit.
Meetup groups or online dating (Tinder, Bumble) but remember most 40 yrs girl there are more or less crazy.

[reco2100]

(11-23-2018 04:05 AM)MMM Wrote:  

^ I like to day game at the "MILF Market" a high end inner ring suburban liquor store. Especially during the holiday season,  the 30 to 40 year old wine-loving cohort are drawn to it like bees to honey.  I post up in my car and when I see a prospect,  I follow her in and start up a chat about this wine or the other. The talk segues to holiday parties, wine drinking occasions, wine tasting tours, etc. Or you can elderly game them about wine, "I'm a Scotch drinker, I'm looking for a good wine for XYZ occasion."  Women love to talk about wine.

That is funny. Not a lot of upscale liquor stores around here. But I am going to look. Another place that is sometimes productive is wholefoods market. Start asking questions about healthy foods. If she is just getting into it. She will be anxious to talk about it.

[Hypno]

The idea to sit in your car and wait for a good one to enter is solid. It sounds inefficient, but how often do you go shopping? I wait up to 15 minutes rather than burn a shopping trip. Much more efficient to plan your entry than to waste time on a second trip.

I also try to keep notes about dates and times, because traffic varies from day to day and different times. Sunday evenings near a university is a great time to go grocery shopping.

In addition to wine stores, I like to shop at Target, Michaels' crafts - they sell photo albums and frames so its not 100% gay - and Panera sandwich shop.

[N°6]

I recently that only 1:6 men will ever marry if they’re still single by 40.

What should 40 year old bachelors do if they’re in this situation?

[BassPlayaYo]

(11-24-2018 10:34 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

I recently that only 1:6 men will ever marry if they’re still single by 40.

What should 40 year old bachelors do if they’re in this situation?

For starters you don't want to get married if the woman isn't rich which is the only thing that would add value to your life if you married her. A 40 year old bachelor has a wide range of women to choose from that are under 40 provided he's in good shape and lives a decent lifestyle.

At 40 one should be looking to realize goals that haven't been realized and sometimes that requires lots of time and energy. Learning a new skill, sport, vocation are all things that are going to give back in the long run.

[Shemp]

>>I recently that only 1:6 men will ever marry if they’re still single by 40. What should 40 year old bachelors do if they’re in this situation?

Thanksgiving day itself is past us, but you can always be thankful. Just put the hands together , look up and say "thank you higher power or whatever for preserving me from the pitfalls of the marriage racket".

As BassPlayaYo notes, marriage is only safe for the man of the woman is richer and even then it's debatable. Not a lot of men getting alimony. No need for a binding legal contract to get companionship, sex, shared expenses while traveling and the other benefits usually associated with marriage. I'm assuming a man over 40 isn't looking for children, but even there, you don't need marriage.

Here in Bumblefuck, USA, I attended a Spanish conversation group long ago for practice. 99% of the women were of no interest. But there was one very good looking and otherwise attractive 40 divorcee. That's how it is. You only need one. She only attended some of the meetings, so if I had attended only once myself, I wouldn't have met her. So try lots of these group activities, preferably something that really interests you. Ever tried fencing, as in sword fighting? There's a group for that here in Bumblefuck, believe it or not. A very small group, but there was one single woman there.

[DonnyGately]

I'm mid-40s, I'll probably get married someday. I look 10 years younger and there's like an infinite number of young girls these days who like 40yr guys anyway as long as you're in shape and have your shit together.

It helps if you live in big cities.

[reco2100]

(11-24-2018 11:41 AM)Shemp Wrote:  

>>I recently that only 1:6 men will ever marry if they’re still single by 40. What should 40 year old bachelors do if they’re in this situation?

Thanksgiving day itself is past us, but you can always be thankful. Just put the hands together , look up and say "thank you higher power or whatever for preserving me from the pitfalls of the marriage racket".

As BassPlayaYo notes, marriage is only safe for the man of the woman is richer and even then it's debatable. Not a lot of men getting alimony. No need for a binding legal contract to get companionship, sex, shared expenses while traveling and the other benefits usually associated with marriage. I'm assuming a man over 40 isn't looking for children, but even there, you don't need marriage.

Here in Bumblefuck, USA, I attended a Spanish conversation group long ago for practice. 99% of the women were of no interest. But there was one very good looking and otherwise attractive 40 divorcee. That's how it is. You only need one. She only attended some of the meetings, so if I had attended only once myself, I wouldn't have met her. So try lots of these group activities, preferably something that really interests you. Ever tried fencing, as in sword fighting? There's a group for that here in Bumblefuck, believe it or not. A very small group, but there was one single woman there.

Agree on the don't get married. Wait until you are after 60 then get you a 40 something, or if you want kids. There is just nothing in it for you.

I agree about these groups. I met a 40 something divorcee attractive in very very good shape and it was through an international meetup group that met every two weeks I went to several meetings and the pickings were absolutely atrocious. But one night there she was and she never had been before and was not a regular member. But her neighbor invited her to attend. I gamed her. Not much gaming involved. And then it was number, date, and many good bangs. Was not hard. The choice of men there was not so good either. Mostly older fat, boring men.

I am curious about the Spanish language group. I would be willing to try this. Where did you find it through meetup.com?

[reco2100]

(11-24-2018 12:07 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  

I'm mid-40s, I'll probably get married someday. I look 10 years younger and there's like an infinite number of young girls these days who like 40yr guys anyway as long as you're in shape and have your shit together.

It helps if you live in big cities.

Donny, I hear this a lot. But I just do not see it. I have asked multiple men on here how they find these younger women. But I usually get crickets. I have no problem with the 40+ and occasionally find a younger one. But the very young ones not so much.

What is the process? How do you spot them? What is working for you?

[Shemp]

>>I am curious about the Spanish language group. I would be willing to try this. Where did you find it through meetup.com?

Don't remember. This was long ago. But I think they have such conversion groups on meetup.com.

[reco2100]

(11-24-2018 12:20 PM)Shemp Wrote:  

>>I am curious about the Spanish language group. I would be willing to try this. Where did you find it through meetup.com?

Don't remember. This was long ago. But I think they have such conversion groups on meetup.com.

Thanks found one and I am RSVP'd for next week.

[rudebwoy]

Not being funny but why would you want a woman over age 40. Unless, you are age 70 or mid 60s at best.

Waiting outside a supermarket for a possible target, sounds like stalking to me. Just go about your everyday life and talk to people. Coffee shops, yoga classes, hair salons, certain gyms and shopping malls should be the primary hunting ground.

This has been mentioned countless times, but women like nice things. So target luxury places and you will find your target.

I know an attractive 45 year old lady (EE), she asked me if I require sex daily. Obviously she wasn't into sex daily and wanted to cuddle sometimes.

My bread and butter is 30 ish women, they are also a pain in the butt. However, you can find a lot more attractive ones that are well kept and in shape. They are husband hunting, so they cannot afford to let their bodies go.

If I was only into women over 40, I would hop on a plane to FSU/Balkans/Latin America and never come back. Russia and Ukraine has plenty of top notch looking older women and that is just online. I don't do online dating, I like to lurk.

[lunchmoney]

(11-23-2018 04:05 AM)MMM Wrote:  

^ I like to day game at the "MILF Market" a high end inner ring suburban liquor store. Especially during the holiday season,  the 30 to 40 year old wine-loving cohort are drawn to it like bees to honey.  I post up in my car and when I see a prospect,  I follow her in and start up a chat about this wine or the other. The talk segues to holiday parties, wine drinking occasions, wine tasting tours, etc. Or you can elderly game them about wine, "I'm a Scotch drinker, I'm looking for a good wine for XYZ occasion."  Women love to talk about wine.

Any "high end" grocery store or wine shop during the early afternoon/early evening usually will be crawling with this demo. Once a week I land a potential plate in grocery store game, albeit at a Whole Foods or similar, and when I know the woman is available (no kids running around, no flashy object on her ring finger). The wine shop could be even easier. Go there tonight, and if you see one, ask her for a recommendation or two for a bottle of wine you need to buy a client for a christmas gift, or for a secret santa office gift. That breaks the ice, and most women will gladly give you their selection. You can take it from there (and save the wine she offers up in your memory bank, as your first date should be at your place with a bottle of her choice chilled).