[Blue Streak]

I am new to the game and mostly sticking with online stuff (PoF) as my current schedule doesn't give me a lot of opportunities to cold approach. So I want to maximise my potential lays by having dates set up in advance for my free time.

Anyway, I have had some success but recently have run into a problem of consistently losing girls who I thought were keen as soon as I ask for the number. I don't even get "I'm not quite ready to give it to you yet" or anything like that. It is just straight up radio silence as soon as I ask the question.

I'm aware that this could just be typical woman behaviour of attention whoring without serious intent to meet up. Still, it has become so frequent recently that I think I am doing something seriously wrong. So I figured that I would ask some of the more experienced players on this forum for their advice.

Some more background: I am a white guy who lives in Australia (Melbourne specifically) and I mainly target Asian chicks. Am late 20's and fit.

Here is a typical conversation:

Her [24 yo, 5' Asian chick]:I dont blame him tho he is the youngest champion! [I started the conversation asking her about MMA as she says she is a UFC fan in her profile. She is referring to Jon Jones being "a cunt".]

Me: Haha. It's all good. I was just messing with you. [I had teased her about using such foul language to a stranger and she apologised] I think Aldo was younger when he won the FW belt, that was in the WEC, though.

Rare to find a girl who really likes MMA. Do you train as well?

Her: Ive always liked it..just need to be updated with who is who. My favorite fighter is ian mcall ..his amazing with what he had been put thru! I used to do 10years of tae kwon do..and a few months in muay thai

Me: A lot of people still don't understand the sport. I have found that women in particular don't like the ground and pound aspect. You clearly don't mind a bit of blood, though.

We should hang out. I really enjoy talking MMA but it is so hard to find knowledgeable fans.

Her: Perhaps you could educate me and keep me up to date in that department! Im abit of a tom-boy I love watching fights!!

Me: Sounds good to me. Which part of Melbourne do you live in?

Her: [Redacted, suburb about 15 minutes drive from me] and u

Me: Cool. I'm in [redacted]. I've got nothing on tonight because training was cancelled due to the Melbourne Cup, so let's hang out.

Her: I'll be seeing my girls tonight perhaps next time?

Me: No probs. What's your number? I will give you a call sometime and we can work out a time to hang out. Maybe watch some fights.

And that's it. The conversation all happened in one afternoon, which was two days ago.

Any advice appreciate.

[Teddykgb]

I run into this a lot as well.

Either you scared the cat by going for the number too soon or she was never really interested enough.

After you have conversation with them on the dating website try sending them your number instead. It will put the ball in their court and then you can go about your business and not worry anymore. Sometimes girls will talk with you and still have no intention of hanging out with you unless you just wow them with something. I find it better to weed those girls out early instead of fighting just to keep a little of their attention.

"We should hangout sometime. (334) 342-4893 Text me"

[MrXY]

Just an attention whore. Move on


I can tell you either havent read the OKC thread here or if you did you didnt absorb much because if you had you wouldnt be messaging like that.

[savvylurker]

Exactly as stated above. Give your number to her first online. I began doing this and no joke I got about 50% more number closes because of that. This works because of the reciprocity persuasion technique. Also if you want to meet her for drinks then tell her let's meet for a drink sometime this week.

[JoyStick]

Girls don't give a crap about sport detail. You don't get girls wet by showing off your sport knowledge. Flirt more and build attraction.

[delicioustacos]

You're asking for the number too late, not too soon. Online dating exchange should go:

YOU: They ought to take that picture of you petting that goat and launch it into space. Let it be the first thing aliens discover of our civilization.

HER: OMG, HAHA! I know, I look dumb but I wuz drunk! Do u like goats too?

YOU: They have their moments. Anyway. You want to get a drink some night? Let me know your # if you're down.

-- (REAL NAME)

In other words:

1) OPENER

2) HER RESPONSE CONTINUING YOUR THREAD

3) CUT THREAD, GET #

You will have a 30-50% radio silence rate with this, but that's normal. If you get into long online discussions with these women, you are giving them the milk for free. Make them buy the cow.

[Therapsid]

I'm going to sound like a broken record.

But online dating is about photos.

She thought your photos were *fine*. Just that - fine. Good, meaning good enough to talk to.

That's why she disappeared after some modest slip-ups.

If she thought your pics were great, she would have given her number and have messaged you some days later if you never called.

[G Q]

^correct online dating is mostly about photos
I used to have a decent photo and even good conversations couldn't get me many numbers from the females I liked. Now I'm using a great photo of me and I'm consistently getting numbers from the top girls while having the lamest conversations ever.

But assuming you have a decent photo, just keep responses light and funny. Don't get too deep because then you'd be investing too much into something you are unsure of. Remember that you can't build attraction through text or online messages. Keep it to only 3-5 responses then say something like:

"Well I'm not on here often, throw me your # and we'll chat later"

If and when you get her #, CALL or SKYPE her later on that day. If you only text her you're still not building much attraction. If you wait more than a day to contact her she'll probably forget about you. Use the above format repeatedly and you'll have numbers in no time.

p.s. If you are new to game you should really make the time to go out and converse with women whether it be through night or day game. A number from online is useless if you can't properly talk to a woman in person/over the phone/over skype.

p.s.#2 As far as the conversation written in your post, you're talking too much online. The good topics of discussion should be discussed over the phone or in person. Also you hinted to her a few times that you wanted to hang out as if you were waiting for her approval. A big NO. Get the # and set up date through there. Don't get discouraged if you get ignored or rejected. It's a numbers game.

[Que enspastic]

(11-07-2013 02:22 AM)G Q Wrote:  

If and when you get her #, CALL or SKYPE her later on that day. If you only text her you're still not building much attraction. If you wait more than a day to contact her she'll probably forget about you. Use the above format repeatedly and you'll have numbers in no time.

p.s. If you are new to game you should really make the time to go out and converse with women whether it be through night or day game. A number from online is useless if you can't properly talk to a woman in person/over the phone/over skype.

some more thoughts on this?

i used to call girls but they never answered the phone so now i stick to texts.

i'm also getting lazier as now i have 6-7 numbers from girls I would bang thanks to tinder.

what about just the standard 'what are you doing tonight' text?

also how do i fit all these chicks into my schedule. too much choice.

[G Q]

(11-07-2013 02:34 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 02:22 AM)G Q Wrote:  

If and when you get her #, CALL or SKYPE her later on that day. If you only text her you're still not building much attraction. If you wait more than a day to contact her she'll probably forget about you. Use the above format repeatedly and you'll have numbers in no time.

p.s. If you are new to game you should really make the time to go out and converse with women whether it be through night or day game. A number from online is useless if you can't properly talk to a woman in person/over the phone/over skype.

some more thoughts on this?

i used to call girls but they never answered the phone so now i stick to texts.

i'm also getting lazier as now i have 6-7 numbers from girls I would bang thanks to tinder.

what about just the standard 'what are you doing tonight' text?

also how do i fit all these chicks into my schedule. too much choice.

There are some women who don't feel comfortable to talk on the phone so texting them first should be fine. After a couple bullshit texts say something like:

"Hey do you have a couple mins to talk"

If she still wants to stick to texting, Roosh's standard text game will work fine. I wouldn't recommend the 'what are you doing tonight' text but it may work for the girls who are 6's and below. Example: (after the couple bullshit texts)

"lets grab drinks on [insert day] at this cool place [insert bar that is logistically close to the location of where you will bang]"

She'll either bite or she won't. Anything other than a "ok, sure, alright" is a NO.

As far as fitting who in your schedule, prioritize the ones who are most likely to give you the bang sooner. The rest can wait for when you have time yourself. Put the flakers on the backburner and save them for later. Don't get lazy...you have to put in some work or you'll lose them. Another example...
I usually have 2-3 dates set up on a Saturday. If my first choice pulls through then I end up having to flake on the other 2. When the next week comes around I always make sure to text or call them to keep the fire burning. Leave them alone with no contact for too long (even as short as one week) and your sheep are likely to stray.

p.s. If you met these girls from tinder app don't set dates on the weekend. I set mine on the weekends because it's the only time I have and I've found that there are many girls on dating websites that don't go out on weekends. Your tinder app prospects may be females who like to go out so set the dates during the week.

[Blue Streak]

Thanks for all the advice guys. Lots of quality information here which I will start implementing.

(11-06-2013 10:38 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

I can tell you either havent read the OKC thread here or if you did you didnt absorb much because if you had you wouldnt be messaging like that.

I am working my way through it. The thing is 120 pages long.

I struggle with the whole cocky vibe thing as this is not naturally me. I am quite confident with women in person and have a good conversion rate if I can get them on a date. Just struggle to convey that same presence via email/text.

[bojangles]

I get it as well, I don't really care, I just fucking say whats your number, if they don't reply, fuck it. I ask for the number in the second or third message. 50% come off, 50% don't, I'm really fucking bold though.

[amity]

Agree with bojangles here, there's so many attention whores online that you have to filter them out quickly or it's just a waste of time, asking for the number early eliminates times wasting with chicks that aren't that bothered

[Blue Streak]

Thanks for all the advice, guys. Have been implementing it and already got a couple of numbers, plus winnowed out the ones who weren't really interested in meeting up in person.

Going to re-work my profile this weekend to make it more attractive. A quick look at my photos tells me that I need to improve my style. I really am not dressing the right way to emphasise my physique.

[Therapsid]

(11-12-2013 08:42 PM)Blue Streak Wrote:  

Thanks for all the advice, guys. Have been implementing it and already got a couple of numbers, plus winnowed out the ones who weren't really interested in meeting up in person.

Going to re-work my profile this weekend to make it more attractive. A quick look at my photos tells me that I need to improve my style. I really am not dressing the right way to emphasise my physique.

Don't smile too much in your photos. In real life you want to smile on the approach, online is different.

Look at famous photos of icons like James Dean, young Marlon Brando, Steve McQueen, Frank Sinatra, Sean Connery etc. Were they usually smiling in those pics? No. They had cool, confident, cocky expressions.