Quote: (11-14-2013 12:02 AM)20Nation Wrote:
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I finished it last night and left a one star review. I forgot to include a couple of things: look at where OP got the ten women- either lounge lizards/party girls from bars or online(which is a total minefield). If you date women from your social circle, you can pre screen them somewhat- I haven't studied it at length, they may likely lie less than randoms that will just tell you what they think you want to hear.
OP takes the trash home and has sex with them, gets them to log into their email and/or facebook to steal their passwords and see that they have other men in their lives! so you ask them if they have other guys on your second date and they lie and you then wonder how women can be so unethical! (hacking their passwords trumps any shady lies they tell). The epilogue and thoughts at the end about relationships with women are totally useless. If you want to read about relationships, read chateau heartiste, or if you want to read about game, read roosh
Even when I was starting out, I never had the expectations that a woman would meet me and all of the other plates she was spinning would suddenly cease to exist. I simply don't ask about other men in her life UNLESS we both agree to an exclusive relationship- this is something that the key logger absolutely refused to give the girls that he was seeing long term, more than just one or 2 dates, so he finds that they look for that elsewhere. You should not need to be reading their emails to be able to discern this. If you tell them you don't want a relationship with them, they will look elsewhere.
Again, if you want to read about relationships, read roissy, if you want to read about game, read roosh. There is nothing to be gained by reading this 'book'. It won't help your game or give any insight into relationships or why women lie. The worst is that it is full of typos and not even well written. I didn't care how it ended, just read through it to see if it would get better.
Here is the review
As this happened before just read the end.
Oh I read all of it, including the ending which i found to be the most problematic of the book, which I will explain why.
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I'm sick of people saying shit that's already in the book.
Yes it's unethical i said that in the book, I also said I don't think anybody should do it.
No these girls were not "trash". 4 of the girls I got from day game. Not to mention you think every girl that goes to a club or signs up for a dating website has to be "trash"?
Online dating can be OK if you find girls that are new to the site, otherwise they will be constantly told how hot they are and develop a shite attitude.
Similarly, girls that like to go to clubs, if they are even slightly above average looking, will have dozens of guys complimenting them and inflating their ego beyond repair.
Look at the best looking women at a club on any given night. Count how many men try to approach her in just one night. Hundreds. Now let say she regularly goes to clubs starting at age 21, by the time she is in her mid 20s, she will have had thousands or tens of thousands of guys try to fuck her. How can that not affect her ego and corrupt her personality?
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I dated some of these girls for months, and yes when a girl tells me she loves me, I expected that she wouldn't be flirting with other guys hours later.
This is why I found your conclusion to be problematic. IF a woman had said to you,
" I love you Key Logger, and want an exclusive relationship."
and you reply,
"alright, I agree and feel the same way." and then she went and was telling another guy hours later that she loved him, then you would be totally right. But that isn't what happened.
She would say, "I love you Key Logger, and want an exclusive relationship".
and you reply
"Hell no!" and hours later she is running to the arms of another man, telling him that she loves him, she isn't the one that fucked up, you are the one that is fucked up by being shocked that she would go and see other men after you just totally rejected her and said that you were not in a relationship with her. Does that make sense?
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Just because it was un-ethical doesn't mean there aren't things that can be learned from it.
Your conclusions are problematic because you flat out say "here is what I learned from these 10 relationships." You were not in any relationships.
The best response I can give you is this: pull the book off of amazon. Hopefully you are at least using a pseudonym, because hacking into someone emails isn't just unethical, it is illegal, if any of these women ever try to press charges, you have openly admitted your guilt. Why do that to yourself?
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So you're saying girls within your social circles are of a different breed than those the OP got? Are you sure girls in your social circles don't go to parties and bars and online like the OP's girls do? Has it occurred to you that those girls are also part of somebody else's social circle? And that to their social circle they present an image very different than what they do with outsiders? Good luck with your pre-screening.
No I am simply saying that women will be more likely to cheat with someone outside of their social circle because it is less likely to come back to them. If they meet someone new that has no connection to their circle, they are more likely to feel like they are free to tell whatever lie they want, more likely to cheat because they are less likely to get caught and it blowing up in their face. Does that make sense?
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I very much liked the writing style, it's very clear and easy to follow, I wonder why you think it's not "well written". And the typos are too rare to be annoying or anything.
A few of the chapters were so redundant and repetitive, I thought I had already read the chapter and had to double check, but it was just that it was nearly identical to a previous chapter. That was what I didn't like.
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Sounds like you didn't read the second part because there are plenty insights in his analyses. Or if you did then please explain which insights you consider unhelpful.
I considered them all to be unhelpful because the key logger is flat out saying "This is what I learned from these ten relationships" yet he had zero relationships. Sex does not = a relationship. It is like renting a car for a couple of days and then writing a book on how that car works over the course of months and years and what to watch out for.
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I have the impression that these are the only two authors who you consider are able to teach us anything.
Not at all. In fact, in a few of roosh's books he says straight out that he isn't trying to reinvent the wheel, just sharing what is proven to work. Bang is much cheaper than most of the books on the market about game.
Hopefully this cleared up a few things.
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I (and many others) found them quite eye opening,
I just couldn't take it(the ending) seriously because of the total lack of logic and common sense: if you hook up with a girl and have sex with her once or twice, don't ask her about other men in her life because nothing good can come of it.
If you get to the point where you are dating a woman for a couple of months and both agree to not fuck other people, then yes, that would actually be a relationship.
The key logger never actually got to that point with ANY of these women and to try to justify making any of the conclusions he is making about how women behave while in a relationships is preposterous.