[Quintus Curtius]

Here's one that is just hosed up on so many levels.
The backstory: a dork answers a Craigslist ad asking for a sperm donor to a lesbian couple. Dork complies and enters into a private contract with the parties that he thinks is valid, whereby he relinquishes all parental rights and obligations. Woman is inseminated at home with catheter and syringe (lol!).
Not so fast, says the State of Kansas. According to these Cathedral bureaucrats, because the insemination was not performed by a "licensed physician", the contract is null and void. They made the lesbians disclose the father's identity, and guess what?
Bingo!
Once again, a man is order to pay support. For a kid he thought he had nothing to do with.
Where do I begin on this one?
With the stupidity of the donor, who thought he could donate sperm out of his garage like it's nothing?
With the anti-male establishment, which finds the man at fault no matter what the facts are, and nails him for support payment?
With the gay/lesbian lobby, who claim they want "equality" in theory but in practice are just parasitic mooches? Judge for yourself:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/...ld-support

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/...pport?lite

[Starke]

How could he not trust such beautiful feminine women?

[pheonix500000]

(10-25-2013 08:27 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

Here's one that is just hosed up on so many levels.
The backstory: a dork answers a Craigslist ad asking for a sperm donor to a lesbian couple. Dork complies and enters into a private contract with the parties that he thinks is valid, whereby he relinquishes all parental rights and obligations. Woman is inseminated at home with catheter and syringe (lol!).
Not so fast, says the State of Kansas. According to these Cathedral bureaucrats, because the insemination was not performed by a "licensed physician", the contract is null and void. They made the lesbians disclose the father's identity, and guess what?
Bingo!
Once again, a man is order to pay support. For a kid he thought he had nothing to do with.
Where do I begin on this one?
With the stupidity of the donor, who thought he could donate sperm out of his garage like it's nothing?
With the anti-male establishment, which finds the man at fault no matter what the facts are, and nails him for support payment?
With the gay/lesbian lobby, who claim they want "equality" in theory but in practice are just parasitic mooches? Judge for yourself:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/...ld-support

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/...pport?lite

Guys here spend a shit load of time, money and skill to avoid getting chicks preggers, what the hell was he thinking?

[Quintus Curtius]

Lesson: No matter how degenerate the fact pattern, no matter how screwed up the society, no matter how pathetic the women, the man will ALWAYS be blamed.
For EVERYTHING.
And then forced to pay. And pay. And pay.
They want this guy to fork over thousands.....

[Wadsworth]

It's unjust of course, but it's hard for me to fathom how clueless some of these guys are. How do they not see the writing on the wall?

[aphelion]

To be fair, the couple at least isn't going after the money, just the jerks in the state of Kansas.

[Veloce]

My response to thread title:





I mean, really, that's it. We've reached that point. When two fucking dykes can accept an anonymous man's sperm to raise a child that HE has to pay for. I don't give a shit if he's a dumbshit beta who should've known better. Unbelievable.

[JackDavey]

Well if the contract was deemed void, couldn't he counter-sue for custody?

[kdolo]

What kind of ass donates sperm for two dykes ..??????


two women cannot create life together - therefore leave them that way !!

that's what he gets for flaunting the laws of nature and supporting them in their nonsense.

On the flip side, at least the kid will have a real father .

[Samseau]

This is bullshit. That contract should be held as valid and honestly the ruling of needing a "licensed physician" to get a woman preggo should be brought to the Supreme Court.

[Quintus Curtius]

(10-25-2013 09:16 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

This is bullshit. That contract should be held as valid and honestly the ruling of needing a "licensed physician" to get a woman preggo should be brought to the Supreme Court.

Yeah, it's total fucking bullshit. These people that work for the division of family services in Kansas are fascists, pure and simple. Think about it: they are using the government to intervene in a private contract between 3 people, and substituting their own judgment for the intentions of the parties.

And they are just doing sumersaults and backflips over themselves to find some rationalization for holding the man "responsible." Unbelievable.

So, it's fine for gays and women to be "equal" and "just as good" as us. As long as there's no money involved. But then, of course, when they want to have things go their way, you're still responsible. It's like we just can't win, no matter what we do.

[Wadsworth]

(10-25-2013 09:33 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 09:16 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

This is bullshit. That contract should be held as valid and honestly the ruling of needing a "licensed physician" to get a woman preggo should be brought to the Supreme Court.

Yeah, it's total fucking bullshit. These people that work for the division of family services in Kansas are fascists, pure and simple. Think about it: they are using the government to intervene in a private contract between 3 people, and substituting their own judgment for the intentions of the parties.

And they are just doing sumersaults and backflips over themselves to find some rationalization for holding the man "responsible." Unbelievable.

So, it's fine for gays and women to be "equal" and "just as good" as us. As long as there's no money involved. But then, of course, when they want to have things go their way, you're still responsible. It's like we just can't win, no matter what we do.

Yep, this is definitely a problem in this culture. The utopian ideas fade away whenever the rubber meets the road.

For example, imagine a female-to-male transsexual. They demand to be treated like a male, that people use the right pronoun etc. etc. But find out, as a guy, what happens if you punch "him" in the face. Find out how quickly the utopian fantasy land fades and people start talking about violence against women again.

[thadude]

this guy who answered to the ad, at least if he got to bang the broad!


...the only thing worse is having to pay for a child that's not yours, which actually happens in this world! specifically the place I live in, i still can't seem to get my head across this. i mean science has come so far as to be able to decipher if your child is actually, well, YOUR CHILD! ....... LAWS are laws!


anyhow, that's a big WTF on top of another WTF of the day, glad i still don't have to question if another child is mine, as i don't have one of those questionable circumstances.

I want to just go relocate to French Polynesia and fuck grass skirt bitches

[Glock]

(10-25-2013 08:32 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

Lesson: No matter how degenerate the fact pattern, no matter how screwed up the society, no matter how pathetic the women, the man will ALWAYS be blamed.
For EVERYTHING.
And then forced to pay. And pay. And pay.
They want this guy to fork over thousands.....

You are right about this. Notice how nobody in the system assigns any responsibility whatsoever to the women. None. They are presumed conclusively to be totally blameless.

At the very least, this poor guy should have a right to recover back his child support payments from the women as damages for their deception and fraud. But we know that won't happen.

[not_dead_yet]

(10-25-2013 09:33 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

Think about it: they are using the government to intervene in a private contract between 3 people, and substituting their own judgment for the intentions of the parties.

Since when does an agreement between private parties trump public law? I could give you a million examples, but I'll stop at one -- I enter into a sale-leaseback transaction with you so that I can open a brothel on my acre of land. Do you think your local officials would be cool with that?

That beta-herb made the same mistake that you're making now. I'd keep that in mind the next time you decide to set precedent.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

(10-26-2013 12:46 PM)not_dead_yet Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 09:33 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

Think about it: they are using the government to intervene in a private contract between 3 people, and substituting their own judgment for the intentions of the parties.

Since when does an agreement between private parties trump public law? I could give you a million examples, but I'll stop at one -- I enter into a sale-leaseback transaction with you so that I can open a brothel on my acre of land. Do you think your local officials would be cool with that?

That beta-herb made the same mistake that you're making now. I'd keep that in mind the next time you decide to set precedent.

Yes, but brothels are forbidden by law, on the basis of being harmful to (morals, people, public health). The government does it to (arguably) prevent harm. However, the government shouldn't barge into a private contract that has not caused any harm to anyone.

[MrXY]

(10-25-2013 08:29 PM)Starke Wrote:  

How could he not trust such beautiful feminine women?

The worst part of this story is that one of those two monstrosities succeeded in reproducing

[bacon]

Among lesbian couples that decide to get pregnant what percentage do you think are obese? I cant think of a thin lesbian couple with kids that I have seen in real life.

Also no one thinks of the unintended consequences of these lesbain couples having kids. What happens if they seperate/divorce? I knew a guy in college that had 4 moms. His first moms got seperated when he has nine and they each found another female partner. So growing up he spent his time between living with collectively four moms. He definately had some issues but it was obvious had he been raised differently he would have been a much different person.

[vandrare]

(10-25-2013 10:51 PM)thadude Wrote:  

I want to just go relocate to French Polynesia and fuck grass skirt bitches

Too good for a quote to ignore.

[Menace]

Didn't anyone read the articles? They DID separate!

Quote:

Bauer and Schreiner have separated since the artificial insemination, and have struggled financially because of an injury that left Schreiner unable to work.

Presumably, because of their financial struggles, they relied on state support for their child. The article does not explicitly state this (what a surprise!), but it must be what happened, otherwise why would they state come after them?

[Kingsley Davis]

(10-25-2013 09:33 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 09:16 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

This is bullshit. That contract should be held as valid and honestly the ruling of needing a "licensed physician" to get a woman preggo should be brought to the Supreme Court.

Yeah, it's total fucking bullshit. These people that work for the division of family services in Kansas are fascists, pure and simple. Think about it: they are using the government to intervene in a private contract between 3 people, and substituting their own judgment for the intentions of the parties.

And they are just doing sumersaults and backflips over themselves to find some rationalization for holding the man "responsible." Unbelievable.

So, it's fine for gays and women to be "equal" and "just as good" as us. As long as there's no money involved. But then, of course, when they want to have things go their way, you're still responsible. It's like we just can't win, no matter what we do.

Kansas.

http://whatsthematterwithkansas.com/

[Quintus Curtius]

If the two lesbians "separated" or "divorced", why doesn't one sue the other for support of the child? Why the fuck is the donor getting dragged into it?
Yeah, yeah, the law says this, the law says that. But when does the state government ever intervene to protect the rights of anyone other than women, gays, and freaks? Almost never.
It goes without saying that the loser sperm donor is an idiot. But does he deserve to get stuck with 18 years of support payments when no one contemplated this outcome?
I don't think so.
Those lesbians need to "man" up and pay.

[Parlay44]

Maybe the laws are different in their state. In NJ you don't have to pay anything unless she specifically files a motion in court asking for support.

If the mother is a ward of the state or in some kind of shelter the State will step in and force her to file for support. They actually represent her in court. Don't ask me how I know

[reaper23]

in most all jurisdictions you can't negotiate away the rights to collect or responsibility to pay child support.

the state is representing the interest of the child at this point

theoretically.

nevertheless had the guy gone through normal donation practices, he would be free and clear. in this case he didn't.

[Sp5]

The lesbians are collecting welfare for the kid - that's why the state is involved.