[DiorHomme]

Have tried to search the forum but can't find anything else about this.

It seems like the only leader in the manosphere that anyone knows about is Roosh. This isn't good or bad, I'm only wondering why are the other manosphere gurus not known and still only using PUA-style nicknames?

[WestIndianArchie]

Realistic fear of reprisal.

WIA

[Christian McQueen]

Because of the consistent amount of death threats I get on a weekly basis.

[DiorHomme]

(10-17-2013 07:42 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Realistic fear of reprisal.

WIA

Would you say there is more hatred for the manosphere community than the PUA community?

The PUA community never really seemed to address the feminist community (probably a reason for some of the hatred) and was largely seen as a gimmick.

[Suits]

(10-17-2013 07:44 PM)McQueensPlayboyRules Wrote:  

Because of the consistent amount of death threats I get on a weekly basis.

Could you expand on this? I'm curious about the details.

Are these one off casual Internet threats, the sort of outlandish stupidity that we have grown accustomed to?

Or do you have to legitimately feel concern for your safety?

[T and A Man]

It's still an immature discipline. There are still too many relying on anecdote instead of analysis, and are also unable to apply Socratic method. I suspect Roosh's background helps with this.

Also Roosh tends to have a finely tuned sense of social interaction and does appear to publish more on real results than ego boosters. His post about getting no ONS in six months prove that.

To publish that a mere mortal gets blown out, instead of a fuzzy hat turning you into a sexual superhero is not just realistic, but reassuring and proper summary of 'game' method.

There is more science than hyperbole in Roosh's work and it is why it has to be taken notice of, it has real merit

[WestIndianArchie]

(10-17-2013 08:08 PM)DiorHomme Wrote:  

(10-17-2013 07:42 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Realistic fear of reprisal.

WIA

Would you say there is more hatred for the manosphere community than the PUA community?

The PUA community never really seemed to address the feminist community (probably a reason for some of the hatred) and was largely seen as a gimmick.

I don't think the mainstream knows about the "Sphere" yet.
The online feminists have an idea of the Sphere, but what's different now
- Sphere is much angrier than guys in the community ever were
- Sphere is not just angry about not getting laid.
- Information travels much faster than it did 5-8 years ago.

So a chick gets raped, Anonymous is all over it.
A chick cries false rape, The Sphere is spreading it all over the different sites. Lotta dudes in the peanut gallery are talking about "doing something"

Mystery and Style wanted mainstream acceptance, and often they would have to go on the defensive when confronted by the Mainstream media.

Roosh is trolling the mainstream media.

The Sphere doesn't care if Barbara Walters or Dr. Phil or the View likes them.

The Sphere wants to reach the 16 year old junior who's trying to bag a cheerleader, the 19 year old campus who is considering a degree in History, the 25 year old who's going to marry some 27 year old chick close to the end of her good days, the 35 year old office worker who thinks his life is over.

Where Pick Up was about learning how to bag women in the short term - basically giving chicks what they actually want, not what they say they want,

The Sphere is about giving men what they actually need, not what they say they want. And that goes beyond women.

Just so we're clear - I'm not endorsing the Sphere.

A lot of what Sphere guys talk about, being human biodiversity aka scientific racism or adopting particular economic policies without addressing real issues, endorsing the Russian Kleptocracy, but hating the American one....That's where I see the whole thing coming off the rails.

Everyone's is logical and rational, and thoroughly inconsistent or look at things in a very atomistic way in order to get to their conclusions. And there's a lot of following. Not a lot of primary investigation, just parroting the talking points that few if any really understand.

WIA

[Samseau]

(10-19-2013 02:07 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Everyone's is logical and rational, and thoroughly inconsistent or look at things in a very atomistic way in order to get to their conclusions. And there's a lot of following. Not a lot of primary investigation, just parroting the talking points that few if any really understand.

WIA

Come on. You make it sound like there is some other place in the world today where everyone is developing their own unique thoughts and sharing it freely with one another.

In reality, the criticism you make is more correctly applied to any other school of thought before it is applied to the manosphere.

[AnonymousBosch]

(10-19-2013 02:07 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

And there's a lot of following. Not a lot of primary investigation, just parroting the talking points that few if any really understand.

You just described Feminism / Gender Studies; Crossfit; Art Criticism; Politics; Miley Cyrus; and every Religion.

Welcome to the human race.

[Kingsley Davis]

"Nemo October 18, 2013 at 21:35
The Powers That Be are delighted to have someone who can be declared the “Mayor of the Manosphere” because now they have a target to shoot at.

The sublime strength of the rise of the men’s movement on the Internet is that it is decentralized. There’s no single critical node that can be shut down or bought out or terminated.

Politicians have a cookbook of solutions for dealing with traditional hierarchical political movements. You co-opt them, or discredit the leaders, or demonize them. The left easily co-opted feminism to the point that the Vice President of the United States, a man, is the author of VAWA, the Violence Against Women Act.

You can’t do this to an amorphous blob of anonymous posters on the Internet. You can’t buy them off – there isn’t a price tag anywhere to be found. You can’t shut them down without taking out the Internet – it isn’t practical to raid a place that has no address except in cyberspace. Demonizing them just raises their profile and attracts more attention to them, which is counterproductive from a feminist viewpoint.

It’s an error to engage the enemy on a battlefield of her choice. Traditional MSM such as network TV were co-opted decades ago. Sun Tzu would not have approved of the decision to attack an enemy where she is strongest. Make them try to attack you on the Internet, where men hang out.

TV is for chicks, mostly older post-menopausal women. A Friday night news show is probably watched almost exclusively by that demographic. Who cares what they think? They don’t even understand what reality is like for the younger generation, where women under 30 have more babies born out of wedlock than in it. Their mental picture of reality is completely out of date.

Men won’t watch the show and won’t care if some old hag clucks at them. They will read sites on the Internet that appeal to logic and reason. Focus on the quality of your arguments, not the quantity of listeners. The New Testament is almost exclusively the transcription of the words and deeds of a single man. Look at the impact that the truth of those words has had on the world."

http://www.the-spearhead.com/2013/10/18/...ent-198675