[PhilE]

http://www.beautyexists.net/body-image/r...onfidence/

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There’s no argument that David Beckham and Cristiano Ronaldo look amazing in their underwear advertisements, especially with the help of a professional makeup crew, the perfect lighting, an experienced photographer – and of course – Photoshop! But how would our average man stand up to these chiseled models? Thanks to this photoshoot arranged by the Sun, we got to find out!

Check out the shots below, which compare the everyday man to famous underwear models and celebrities.

- See more at: http://www.beautyexists.net/body-image/r...V3q1w.dpuf







Differences between what we do and what feminist do.

1.) We don't promote instant gratification and laziness. Most men when they see a guy who is physically fit we know we can get there with sacrifice, self discipline and hard work.

2.) We don't HATE men who work out. We are indifferent or inspired. Women HATE women who take care of their bodies and feminist try to FORCE a new standard that says "Why shouldn't someone except you for you....your lazy, self indulgent, and unhealthy...you" They try to act like women who work out are narcissist, but the fat/out of shape women are the real narcissist. They believe they are entitled to admiration and that they SHOULD NOT have to work for it.

3.) Women are disingenuous and Betas allow them to be. Not saying that any of these men couldn't get women, but for men to allow women to convince them that they are fine the way they are is criminal when you see the type of men that has actually penetrated these women or better yet the men these women DREAM would penetrate them. I can guarantee its none of the guys above (well maybe the bald guy, he's actually muscular). Men on the other hand show a women EXACTLY what she should look and act like to be attractive. We don't tell women "you are fine just the way you are...all 226lbs of you" we would tell them "you should loose weight and you'll be fine", "you should be more feminine and you'll be fine", "You should dress sexier, and you'll be fine." Women tell men the EXACT opposite of what they seek...and i believe its out of some sick twisted enjoyment they seek like watching a fish out of water flapping for air.

Its more but you guys can have at it.

[Samseau]

I identify more with the guys on the right except I don't shave my chest like a homo.

[calculus]

Does anyone really wear those tighty-whities?

Also, Beckham's body in that photo is reminiscent of my grandmother's.

[JimNortonFan]

The guys on the left are decent looking. The upper and middle look confident, the lower seems to be trying for sensitive hipster. In fact he may be Edward Snowden under deep cover. Their bodies are decent by the standards of fat America but nevertheless flawed. All 3 could pull with some Game. 3 months of gym and all 3 would be in better shape than 80% of the guys out there.

I have little idea what point they're trying to make here. Everyone knows a guy out of the top 5-10% in looks is out of the looks Game at birth. It's not like they're taking beefalos and saying they are beautiful because they slather themselves with Dove.

Again, what's the point of the original article? OP's points are all good.

[Therapsid]

Tons of guys out there are influenced by media images of ideal men.

Let's not fool around here. Gyms are filled with guys sweating and grunting away as they attempt to approach the finely chiseled and photo-shopped physiques of men they see in magazines and Hollywood productions. Are they doing it all for their health or for the sake of manly accomplishment? Nah. Most are doing it to look like a guy on the cover of Men's Fitness.

True, men don't whine about the privilege of fit and attractive men. But they are influenced by what the media tells them is the male ideal. Men are more vain and self-conscious about their looks today than ever.

[Prophylaxis]

Dude on the top left looks like the only one who lifts.

As you mentioned OP, this campaign won't work - because we are motivated by men who are in shape. These men don't threaten our self-esteem - any normal bloke will look at the male models and go 'fuck maybe I should hit up the gym a bit more and stop eating shit'. We don't spend hundreds of hours worshiping celebrities, looking into the latest diet fads, finding out who put on 50 pounds - to make our hamsters rest.

Men are no-where near as judgmental when it comes to aesthetics and certainly don't need reassurance by companies to tell us our body shape is 'normal'. Just look at all the men's health magazines - it shows shredded guys throughout them - and even guys who aren't fit eat it up. That shit inspires us!

[XYZ]

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Tons of guys out there are influenced by media images of ideal men.

Let's not fool around here. Gyms are filled with guys sweating and grunting away as they attempt to approach the finely chiseled and photo-shopped physiques of men they see in magazines and Hollywood productions. Are they doing it all for their health or for the sake of manly accomplishment? Nah. Most are doing it to look like a guy on the cover of Men's Fitness.

theyre doing for the pussy they think theyll get not to look like a magazine model per se

[Screwston]

Most guys dont even work out to get strong. They just want to look like Zzzzzzzzz. A 6 pack but cant even change a tire.

[MHaes]

(10-12-2013 11:19 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  

Tons of guys out there are influenced by media images of ideal men.

Let's not fool around here. Gyms are filled with guys sweating and grunting away as they attempt to approach the finely chiseled and photo-shopped physiques of men they see in magazines and Hollywood productions. Are they doing it all for their health or for the sake of manly accomplishment? Nah. Most are doing it to look like a guy on the cover of Men's Fitness.

What about Hellenic statues?

That is what I don't buy about the "mass-media photoshopped ideal man" argument.

2000 years ago the same image was the ideal.

[Therapsid]

(10-13-2013 12:19 AM)MHaes Wrote:  

(10-12-2013 11:19 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  

Tons of guys out there are influenced by media images of ideal men.

Let's not fool around here. Gyms are filled with guys sweating and grunting away as they attempt to approach the finely chiseled and photo-shopped physiques of men they see in magazines and Hollywood productions. Are they doing it all for their health or for the sake of manly accomplishment? Nah. Most are doing it to look like a guy on the cover of Men's Fitness.

What about Hellenic statues?

That is what I don't buy about the "mass-media photoshopped ideal man" argument.

2000 years ago the same image was the ideal.

Yeah, it's interesting. But it's a rare exception honestly.

Look at sculptures and paintings from the rest of the world in ancient and medieval times.

The Greeks and to a lesser extent the Romans are the outliers. Most cultures did not idealize muscular men. Look at medieval European, Chinese, Persian, Indian, Mayan art, etc. In fact, as far as art went, they did not even exist. It'd be an interesting study to figure out why this is.

Anyway, bringing it back to modern times, the obsession with muscular men only really got going in the 80's and really much more the 90's.

I'm not a fan. Good looking guys with little muscle tone in the 60's, 70's, and 80's used to get the same sort of attention as their counterparts today who slave in the gym. Guys are working harder today for more obese women. I'm sorry - as a man who religiously works out, I do not see this as progress. The media is brainwashing guys just like it is women.

Edit: To speculate, maybe the Greeks idealized muscular men because they also normalized homosexuality more than other civilizations. Gay men are superficial about men like we are about women.

[Kieran]

For myself at least, I value beauty, and so I just don't want to look at adverts like this. I think a lot of men would agree with this (not wanting to sacrifice beauty to spare their egos).

It's also kind of funny that none of the ideals, while facially good looking, are in particularly good shape.

I agree that the media has had some influence with regards to men being in gyms, using steroids etc to try to get big. Myself, I would have thought that the lean muscular type of body (Brad Pitt in Fight Club, Zab Judah etc) is the ideal, but a lot of men these days consider them to be too small.

On the other side of the spectrum you have the whole skinny thing, with a lot of models in the fashion world now needing to be over 6 feet tall, with a 34-36 inch chest, and a 28-29 inch waist (for Paris anyway, not so much Milan). That whole movement also seems to have a lot of influence, with all the indie kids etc trying to be as skinny and emaciated as possible.

While I do think clothes look better on skinny people, to me neither extreme is aesthetically pleasing, but can definitely begin to seem normal the more time you spend in each environment, or the more you are exposed to the images etc.

[travolta]

(10-13-2013 02:23 AM)Kieran Wrote:  

also kind of funny that none of the ideals, while facially good looking, are in particularly good shape.

So you're saying that a professional football player is not in particularly good shape? Perhaps you're reading a bit too much Muscle & Fitness magazine and taking their supplement advertisements too seriously

[Screwston]

Why is America obsessed with being huge?
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-28092.html

[Kieran]

(10-13-2013 02:40 AM)travolta Wrote:  

(10-13-2013 02:23 AM)Kieran Wrote:  

also kind of funny that none of the ideals, while facially good looking, are in particularly good shape.

So you're saying that a professional football player is not in particularly good shape? Perhaps you're reading a bit too much Muscle & Fitness magazine and taking their supplement advertisements too seriously

Yes, that's what I'm saying. Do you think they look in good shape?

[soup]

This thread topic sounds like the Dove Soap version of Male insecurity.

I happen to look more like those guys on the left and I've fucked 46 new girls this year, so fuck all this.

Son't be a pussy... don't be lazy, read up on everything here, try things out, bring new things to the table, or go home.

[CaliforniaSupreme]

Bottom left looks like Edward Snowden.

[cardguy]

People go to the gym to try and look good.

I hate it when guys talke about endorphin rushes, wanting to be healthy and the satisfaction of achieving goals.

Bullshit.

Imagine we lived in an alternate world where going to the gym gave you all those things - yet made you fat?

How many guys would go to the gym then?

Zero.

[JimNortonFan]

We don't live in that world. After a lift the muscles get bigger, there is an endorphin rush, the liver is emptied of glycogen so it is ok to eat some carbs, you feel better, and you know you've helped your bones as well as the muscles. It is good practice for meeting goals.

The issue with health is that it's hard to put on bulk and do cardio.

[Andy_B]

(10-13-2013 05:55 AM)cardguy Wrote:  

People go to the gym to try and look good.

I hate it when guys talke about endorphin rushes, wanting to be healthy and the satisfaction of achieving goals.

Bullshit.

Imagine we lived in an alternate world where going to the gym gave you all those things - yet made you fat?

How many guys would go to the gym then?

Zero.

You seem to think everything people do is only for one reason.

Looking good is obviously a huge part of any guy's motivation for going to the gym, but that doesn't mean they don't ALSO enjoy it.

[MikeCF]

Lots of muscle hate here.

Some of you guys sound as catty as women who complain about "unrealistic ideals."

[worldwidetraveler]

(10-13-2013 05:55 AM)cardguy Wrote:  

People go to the gym to try and look good.

I hate it when guys talke about endorphin rushes, wanting to be healthy and the satisfaction of achieving goals.

Bullshit.

Imagine we lived in an alternate world where going to the gym gave you all those things - yet made you fat?

How many guys would go to the gym then?

Zero.

That makes no sense at all.

Maybe you're a young guy. The older you get, the more it becomes a necessity if you want a good quality of life. I would be on anti depressants or an alcoholic if it wasn't for the gym so save me your bullshit.

[Samseau]

(10-13-2013 12:27 AM)Therapsid Wrote:  

(10-13-2013 12:19 AM)MHaes Wrote:  

(10-12-2013 11:19 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  

Tons of guys out there are influenced by media images of ideal men.

Let's not fool around here. Gyms are filled with guys sweating and grunting away as they attempt to approach the finely chiseled and photo-shopped physiques of men they see in magazines and Hollywood productions. Are they doing it all for their health or for the sake of manly accomplishment? Nah. Most are doing it to look like a guy on the cover of Men's Fitness.

What about Hellenic statues?

That is what I don't buy about the "mass-media photoshopped ideal man" argument.

2000 years ago the same image was the ideal.

Yeah, it's interesting. But it's a rare exception honestly.

Look at sculptures and paintings from the rest of the world in ancient and medieval times.

The Greeks and to a lesser extent the Romans are the outliers. Most cultures did not idealize muscular men. Look at medieval European, Chinese, Persian, Indian, Mayan art, etc. In fact, as far as art went, they did not even exist. It'd be an interesting study to figure out why this is.

Anyway, bringing it back to modern times, the obsession with muscular men only really got going in the 80's and really much more the 90's.

I'm not a fan. Good looking guys with little muscle tone in the 60's, 70's, and 80's used to get the same sort of attention as their counterparts today who slave in the gym. Guys are working harder today for more obese women. I'm sorry - as a man who religiously works out, I do not see this as progress. The media is brainwashing guys just like it is women.

Edit: To speculate, maybe the Greeks idealized muscular men because they also normalized homosexuality more than other civilizations. Gay men are superficial about men like we are about women.

I believe you are mistaken. Every culture, every single one, has associated good health with beauty. Being strong and muscular is an indicator of health, thus it is beautiful.

Now, I will concede that our culture is highly sexualized with the showing of skin - both for men and women - and this isn't normal. The vast majority of cultures have not been like this. Rome and Greece were, however, and both of those cultures are our direct ancestors. Rome especially, that one lasted for 1000 years. Dismissing Rome is basically dismissing the history of the world.

[MHaes]

(10-13-2013 12:55 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Lots of muscle hate here.

Some of you guys sound as catty as women who complain about "unrealistic ideals."

Seriously.

I don't understand the guys who are hating on the gym, and especially the guys who are saying that we shouldn't be working out because women are getting fatter.

What's up with that? Why would I ever drop the standards for myself just because weaker individuals are dropping the standards for themselves?

[JimNortonFan]

Work out for your health and yourself. Most guys aren't doing physical labor so they need it to be whole men.

The fact that chicks like muscles is a bonus.

I had an ex gf who had issues with masculinity and men and I used to make her touch my flexed muscles. She pretended she didn't like it and said she liked thin guys. After a few minutes of touching my chest and arms she was begging for sex. This was before I lifted and all I had was the legacy of farm and construction work as a kid and teen. That was at 125#. If she saw me at 150 having lifted she would have gone nuts. If you haven't experienced that hit the gym or jack off to the fantasy of it and when you want it for real hit the gym.

[Samseau]

I've never fucked a fatty nor dated one. I stay in shape and I expect my girls to be skinny. Funny how well that works.

If a man doesn't want to bang fatties, I suggest he also hits the gym so he attracts hotter women.