[Cattle Rustler]

I would call this the "inverse complex", it breaks down in two parts being: developed and developing countries (+japan)

Developing countries: After being colonized for a long time the "white is right" thing is passed on to the locals. They seek to become like their former colonizers by dressing, acting, and doing what they did. This happens in Africa, Asia, Latin America.

Developed countries: Being the colonizers they don't have people who subject them to their rules or culture. White skin is common so they seek to make themselves stand out, not to mention that looking pale is something that's frowned up as it's unhealthy.

[scandibro]

(10-14-2013 11:36 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

I see this inference come up a lot, and I'm surprised that everyone always hops on and just agrees without questioning whether white women are actually more desired. From my experiences growing up in America, I always thought women with slightly darker complexions were the more desired ones. Maybe with a little white blood in them but not white.

Am I the only one who thought this was the case?

Same here. I remember vividly my vacation with parents at age 12 to Greece and seeing those tanned greek teenage girls. Or later in Israel, which has some of the hottest medditeranean looking women I've ever seen. Too bad they're wildly xenophobic.

But in northern europe, the medditeranean look has always been seen as more sexy for both men and women and women tan to look more like it.

A beatiful, slim blonde with blue eyes is still probably the rarest of all hot women in the world and that probably also contributes to their desirability.

[GameTheory]

(10-14-2013 11:56 AM)CThunder86 Wrote:  

Back in my younger days them Young girls were always tanning and trying to get that darker skin tone...

probably would be due to the advent of the California beach culture of post WW2, subverting the "pale=aristocrat" paradigm

[Timoteo]

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If a poll were taken of all the men in the world questioning who has prettier girls, Nigeria or the Czech Republic, I think the Czech Republic would by a wide margin.

If you use these two extremes, naturally, you'd get the answer you're already convinced of. If you look at who the tastemakers are in media, the modeling world, etc., they're overwhelmingly white. They're the people that are shaping the ideal, so that ideal will reflect what THEY think is beautiful. If you change the makeup of those that shape the ideal, you'll get a totally different beauty ideal. In the modeling world, anyone that isn't white is still referred to as an "exotic." That's ridiculous. There's nothing exotic about a black or latina woman in America, but they're still viewed as some type of alien...hahaha!

[MidWest]

(10-14-2013 02:20 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(10-13-2013 11:06 PM)SeanBateman Wrote:  

But the question is, why are white women put on a global pedestal?

Probably because whites have been the dominate global force for the last 500 years. Only way to really test this theory is to see if isolated pockets of non-whites with little or no exposure to Western culture pedestalize whites. I don't know for sure if anyone has researched this before but I think I do remember reading about a white woman that visited the Masai in Kenya and she said that they didn't see her as a real woman, or something to that effect. I doubt that those very isolated Africans you see practicing scarification with plates in their lips have internalized any outside beauty standards. They are likely to be extremely endogamous.

What you see with IRTs I'm guessing is just due to cultural influence. Whites have done quite a job of packaging their culture and way of life for export to the rest of the world. Developing a taste for the women just came along with that I suppose.

Also interesting to note though that there are some places where black women are fetishized. I don't know a black woman that's ever been to Italy that wasn't hounded relentlessly. I've seen black women that wouldn't turn anyone's head in America getting treated like Beyonce in Italy. Italy is for black women what Peru is for tall blonde guys. I've heard similar reports from black women visiting Argentina.

Check this out: http://untiligettoyou.blogspot.com/2010/...woman.html

Yeah I can attest to this. I went a couple of years ago to Buenos Aires for a cultural tour and one of the people in our group was a black woman who was 27 at the time. Her face was very average but she was very thick with huge tits and a big ass. Man, I kid you not she had the most attention out of anybody in our group. The Argentinian dudes will stare, whistle, hound relentlessly to her everywhere she went. They would throw piropos at her and I even recall an Argentinian cop falling in love with her. In the clubs, she would be groped on by the guys and many would try to get some kind of dance by her, that shit was hilarious. Dudes would sometimes come up to her to take pictures, sometimes without her permission.

I later found out that black women in Argentina are thought to be Brazilian, and because of the media in Argentina, black Brazilians girls are seen as prostitutes or very easy compared to many women. Considering how hard the Argentinian women are, im not surprised by the behavior of the dudes down there when it comes to Black women. Sometimes many of the dudes didn't believe she was from the US.

[speakeasy]

(10-14-2013 10:18 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 02:20 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(10-13-2013 11:06 PM)SeanBateman Wrote:  

But the question is, why are white women put on a global pedestal?

Probably because whites have been the dominate global force for the last 500 years. Only way to really test this theory is to see if isolated pockets of non-whites with little or no exposure to Western culture pedestalize whites. I don't know for sure if anyone has researched this before but I think I do remember reading about a white woman that visited the Masai in Kenya and she said that they didn't see her as a real woman, or something to that effect. I doubt that those very isolated Africans you see practicing scarification with plates in their lips have internalized any outside beauty standards. They are likely to be extremely endogamous.

What you see with IRTs I'm guessing is just due to cultural influence. Whites have done quite a job of packaging their culture and way of life for export to the rest of the world. Developing a taste for the women just came along with that I suppose.

Also interesting to note though that there are some places where black women are fetishized. I don't know a black woman that's ever been to Italy that wasn't hounded relentlessly. I've seen black women that wouldn't turn anyone's head in America getting treated like Beyonce in Italy. Italy is for black women what Peru is for tall blonde guys. I've heard similar reports from black women visiting Argentina.

Check this out: http://untiligettoyou.blogspot.com/2010/...woman.html

Yeah I can attest to this. I went a couple of years ago to Buenos Aires for a cultural tour and one of the people in our group was a black woman who was 27 at the time. Her face was very average but she was very thick with huge tits and a big ass. Man, I kid you not she had the most attention out of anybody in our group. The Argentinian dudes will stare, whistle, hound relentlessly to her everywhere she went. They would throw piropos at her and I even recall an Argentinian cop falling in love with her. In the clubs, she would be groped on by the guys and many would try to get some kind of dance by her, that shit was hilarious. Dudes would sometimes come up to her to take pictures, sometimes without her permission.

I later found out that black women in Argentina are thought to be Brazilian, and because of the media in Argentina, black Brazilians girls are seen as prostitutes or very easy compared to many women. Considering how hard the Argentinian women are, im not surprised by the behavior of the dudes down there when it comes to Black women. Sometimes many of the dudes didn't believe she was from the US.

Yeah man, any black woman that wants some white dick will have no shortage of it in Italy and Argentina. I think it may be true for Spain too. I know black women have always done well in France. I met this one Haitian chic would be like a 3 on a 0-10 scale and she got attention in Mexico. I've told black women before who complain about not finding a man that they should go abroad. I think the antipathy to black women is most strongly a N. American thing due to America's obsession with the busty blonde as the zenith of beauty.

[Hencredible Casanova]

(10-14-2013 10:18 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 02:20 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(10-13-2013 11:06 PM)SeanBateman Wrote:  

But the question is, why are white women put on a global pedestal?

Probably because whites have been the dominate global force for the last 500 years. Only way to really test this theory is to see if isolated pockets of non-whites with little or no exposure to Western culture pedestalize whites. I don't know for sure if anyone has researched this before but I think I do remember reading about a white woman that visited the Masai in Kenya and she said that they didn't see her as a real woman, or something to that effect. I doubt that those very isolated Africans you see practicing scarification with plates in their lips have internalized any outside beauty standards. They are likely to be extremely endogamous.

What you see with IRTs I'm guessing is just due to cultural influence. Whites have done quite a job of packaging their culture and way of life for export to the rest of the world. Developing a taste for the women just came along with that I suppose.

Also interesting to note though that there are some places where black women are fetishized. I don't know a black woman that's ever been to Italy that wasn't hounded relentlessly. I've seen black women that wouldn't turn anyone's head in America getting treated like Beyonce in Italy. Italy is for black women what Peru is for tall blonde guys. I've heard similar reports from black women visiting Argentina.

Check this out: http://untiligettoyou.blogspot.com/2010/...woman.html

I later found out that black women in Argentina are thought to be Brazilian, and because of the media in Argentina, black Brazilians girls are seen as prostitutes or very easy compared to many women. Considering how hard the Argentinian women are, im not surprised by the behavior of the dudes down there when it comes to Black women. Sometimes many of the dudes didn't believe she was from the US.

Yeah. I used to mess with a Dominican chick who spent two years living in Argentina and she told me something similar. She wasn't even black (more like a morena) but definitely would be seen as Brazilian in Argentina. She said the men just assumed she would be easy or a prostitute. In fact, many Argentine dudes go up to Brazil for vacation. You see tons of them in places like Florianopolis because they have good reason to expect the women to be easier than the ones at home.

[MidWest]

(10-14-2013 11:36 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

I see this inference come up a lot, and I'm surprised that everyone always hops on and just agrees without questioning whether white women are actually more desired. From my experiences growing up in America, I always thought women with slightly darker complexions were the more desired ones. Maybe with a little white blood in them but not white.

Am I the only one who thought this was the case?

I always thought about this myself. It seems like Americans (white Americans specifically) are obsessed with being more tanned or have a darker complexion. But if that was the case, then why don't you see brown or tanned skin Latinos slaying white women in droves in America? Mexicans or Latinos have the desired look, so why aren't white women flocking to Mexican cats? Or in others words, if Latinos have the desired complexion, why aren't they put on a pedestal by American society the same way some of these Latin American countries put whites in a pedestal?


All of this is just a wash I think.

[Beyond Borders]

(10-15-2013 01:05 AM)MidWest Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 11:36 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

I see this inference come up a lot, and I'm surprised that everyone always hops on and just agrees without questioning whether white women are actually more desired. From my experiences growing up in America, I always thought women with slightly darker complexions were the more desired ones. Maybe with a little white blood in them but not white.

Am I the only one who thought this was the case?

I always thought about this myself. It seems like Americans (white Americans specifically) are obsessed with being more tanned or have a darker complexion. But if that was the case, then why don't you see brown or tanned skin Latinos slaying white women in droves in America? Mexicans or Latinos have the desired look, so why aren't white women flocking to Mexican cats? Or in others words, if Latinos have the desired complexion, why aren't they put on a pedestal by American society the same way some of these Latin American countries put whites in a pedestal?


All of this is just a wash I think.

I always saw a lot of non-white guys do extremely well gaming in America. The black guys especially. I came from an area where whites are an even greater majority than usual though, so the relative rarity might have skewed things.

Black guys, Mexicans (non-immigrant vibe), and Somoan guys (if not big and fat) got a lot of love. In school I remember guys mixed enough to have that mid-tone skin just killing it.

[azulsombra]

(10-15-2013 01:05 AM)MidWest Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 11:36 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

I see this inference come up a lot, and I'm surprised that everyone always hops on and just agrees without questioning whether white women are actually more desired. From my experiences growing up in America, I always thought women with slightly darker complexions were the more desired ones. Maybe with a little white blood in them but not white.

Am I the only one who thought this was the case?

I always thought about this myself. It seems like Americans (white Americans specifically) are obsessed with being more tanned or have a darker complexion. But if that was the case, then why don't you see brown or tanned skin Latinos slaying white women in droves in America? Mexicans or Latinos have the desired look, so why aren't white women flocking to Mexican cats? Or in others words, if Latinos have the desired complexion, why aren't they put on a pedestal by American society the same way some of these Latin American countries put whites in a pedestal?


All of this is just a wash I think.

I think tanned or light brown skin cats do well with white women in the USA, whether they are latino/mulatto/phillipino or whatever. The effect just isnt as pronounced if your in a large city with a lower class where that particular look is common. In a place like L.A., Miami or some Texas cities for example the look is ubiquitous so it doesn't give you any points. Places like Iowa, Kansas, Washington state, those cats WILL "kill it", IF they have game, same for AA dudes.

[Screwston]

Midwest, I would think its easier in Chicago with white girls than Houston or Dallas just because a lot of them move there from shithole midwest places with no brown skin around. They dont really know what to think because theyve never dealt with it. A lot of people move to Texas cities from neighboring shitty states like Oklahoma, Louisiana and wherever Alibaba is from with that racist White Is Right mentality drilled into their heads. Theyre used to seeing ghetto blacks and dirty mojos and just lump every black and brown person together when they get in town. It just keeps getting passed down from generation to generation. Does any of that make sense?

I dont know. America is so crazy with race and the whole immigration thing just makes it worse. White girls who grow up surrounded by non ghetto minorities are usually cool with it. Thats how it was in San Antonio when i was younger.

[MidWest]

(10-17-2013 05:39 AM)houston Wrote:  

Midwest, I would think its easier in Chicago with white girls than Houston or Dallas just because a lot of them move there from shithole midwest places with no brown skin around. They dont really know what to think because theyve never dealt with it. A lot of people move to Texas cities from neighboring shitty states like Oklahoma, Louisiana and wherever Alibaba is from with that racist White Is Right mentality drilled into their heads. Theyre used to seeing ghetto blacks and dirty mojos and just lump every black and brown person together when they get in town. It just keeps getting passed down from generation to generation. Does any of that make sense?

I dont know. America is so crazy with race and the whole immigration thing just makes it worse. White girls who grow up surrounded by non ghetto minorities are usually cool with it. Thats how it was in San Antonio when i was younger.

Houston, the thing about Chicago is that its very segregated. Its one of the most segregated cities in America. Races do not coexist with each other. You have a huge area where blacks live, your areas with Hispanics and the downtown where the majority of the whites live. Even I was a victim of this as I grew in a mainly Hispanic section of the city where I never really have seen a white person until my late teens IN CHICAGO, that's how bad segregation is here, growing up I literally thought America was a Hispanic country, no joke. So in essence it will be kind of hard to get white girls in chi-town being a minority because of the racial history. I was shocked when I went to Texas (Dallas) to see Hispanics/white/and blacks in the same school together which is something you do not see in Chicago.

Having said that, I found the white girls in the suburbs of Chicago to be really down to earth. Especially in rich suburbs like Naperville where 96% of the residents are white. The girls are more open to date blacks or Hispanics because they have never crossed one in their lives and really have no clue about race relations and what not. Even going to the University of Illinois where I'm at right now you get girls from all over the Midwest and rural Illinois. Ive met white girls who were really cool and have never seen Latino dudes in their entire lives. I even met one girl who told me that shes never seen a black person before she came to the university. I will say that the majority of the white girls I have banged in college are all from Naperville, Illinois which is ironically to be considered the richest suburb in the Chicagoland area. So that says something about rich white girls in the midwest.

[Big Nilla]

Quick correction. Naperville isn't (and isn't considered) the richest suburb in Chicagoland... just the most livable when compared to other big suburbs around the country. Highland Park, Evanston, and the northern lakeside suburbs easily have Naperville beat in wealth.

[MidWest]

@Big Nilla: I stand corrected, but what I was really meaning to say was most livable. Most people in Naperville are well off though.

[Screwston]

I think the most open white girls will be ones who never grew up or really interacted with any of your race (like Midwest said) or grew up with non ghetto guys of your race. Its pretty annoying that you have to prove youre "not like the rest" as a brown or black guy in America. Im sure Minneapolis or Fargo would seem like a different world. I know its a different world for tan guys in white states.

The main thing is to approach like Giovanny. Youll never know if a barbie doll is down to try something new or craves dark dick unless you talk to her.

[Cattle Rustler]

(11-10-2013 05:39 AM)houston Wrote:  

Its pretty annoying that you have to prove youre "not like the rest" as a brown or black guy in America.

That's the best part. So many guys are typical in X culture to the point it's very easy to stand out among the rest.

Taller than 5'5", don't wear point boots and cowboy attire or saggy ass jeans?

You're leaps ahead my friend.

[Parlay44]

The cock wants what it wants.

If he doesn't find women of his own race attractive then I think that comes from some deeper mommy issues.
His mother is probably a major pain in the ass and he doesn't want to relive that into his adulthood.

[Sargon of Akkad]

(11-07-2013 12:14 AM)MidWest Wrote:  

Houston, the thing about Chicago is that its very segregated. Its one of the most segregated cities in America. Races do not coexist with each other. You have a huge area where blacks live, your areas with Hispanics and the downtown where the majority of the whites live. Even I was a victim of this as I grew in a mainly Hispanic section of the city where I never really have seen a white person until my late teens IN CHICAGO, that's how bad segregation is here, growing up I literally thought America was a Hispanic country, no joke. So in essence it will be kind of hard to get white girls in chi-town being a minority because of the racial history. I was shocked when I went to Texas (Dallas) to see Hispanics/white/and blacks in the same school together which is something you do not see in Chicago.

This was not my experience spending my childhood (until 13) in Chicago. The part where I lived had different ethnic groups intermingling all the time. In preschool, I was surrounded by Blacks, Whites, Asians, some Hispanics, some in between. Kindergarten and Elementary were the same, too. The neighbourhood I lived in was probably less than 50% white, proably 30% black, maybe 10% Asians, and the other 10 being anyhing in between. It was different when you headed down to the black neighbourhoods in the immediate vicinity, but I never experienced any real segregation in Chicago. The poorer areas were a different story, though. Ceterum censeo Osakam esse delendam.

[Phatom]

Living in America for awhile, I have to agree with the whole segregation thing. I go to a liberal arts school and I would say 90% of the student are white. All the other minorities make up about 5-10% of the student population. Black people are the smallest minority I would say I know about 10 black students in the whole campus.

[GlobalMan]

Off topic- When these old threads get revived, especially ones like this, it's like a parade of banned members.

[Merenguero]

(11-28-2015 01:38 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

Off topic- When these old threads get revived, especially ones like this, it's like a parade of banned members.

Agreed, and when the thread title mentions race, the percentage of banned members seems to drastically increase and sometimes even includes nineteen year old Indian guys from the deep south who attend community colleges, but plan on transferring to major universities next semester.

[mau man]

Great post and I too think that this is a valid topic, though a shame the OP was banned.

There are gorgeous girls of every ethnicity, but the top shelf white girls simply defeat their rivals in my mind. Have we been brainwashed? Is it biology? Naughtynomad put up an interesting post some time ago that white skin is seen as more feminine (not sure where he took that from, though I can believe it) so perhaps that's the biologicall edge that they have.

That being said, I'll take an asian/black/persian/whatever 9 with an awesome personality over a white 10 who never did have to develop their personality because of her orbiting supplicating beta boys.

[WestIndianArchie]

If you're trying to deprogram yourself, the best way is to go someplace else.

White guys stop liking White American/British/Canadian/Australian guys in DROVES when they go to Eastern Europe, South America, and Asia. It starts with the physical attraction, but the mindset and temperament and overall behavior is largely more feminine than what they've become accustomed to.

Black guys that only date white chicks often rediscover the bounty of the Motherland when they get in touch with black women from the essence. A trip to the Caribbean, South America, and Africa will make you rediscover.

Not to say that women from more traditional societies are all roses and mangoes. There's a Thai Guy in Chiang Mai right now wondering if he can take a vacation from his woman. Sergei is this close to smacking Olga around. Beto will break down how his "perfect Latin wife" is a liar and a manipulator.

The core of women will be the same wherever you go, but I'd rather be in bed with a thin and beautiful chick that can cook but is a bitch sometimes, than to be beholden to some careerist chick that thinks her job is more important than me and a family.

If you can't afford, or are too scared to leave the country - you can get an overall change in dynamic if you leave the big urban areas.

If there is a major league sports team in the area, chances are there's a lot of economic activity, and at the macro level - people adapt themselves to that sort of life.

That means you'll have to adapt to. That usually means losing out on what the big city life offers. Often times it's general ignorance of your woman and the surroundings that you have to deal with.

The older you get the, the less likely you'll tolerate that sort of thing.

WIA

[Cobra]

Agree with WIA.

I'll say this. If you like white women, then so be it. I'm a bit wary of most people throwing the "pedestalization" card when an Asian or other race guy puts out how much he likes blondes or whatever. The magnitude of pedestalization is a product of inner game, cultural limitations, geography and even bias from others in the form of the general consensus of the population regarding a group (eg Italian guys are romantic whereas an Asian guy is clownish).

What it's absolutely not is a product of preference but somehow a minority has to now pass the added barrier of proving it to his social circle in certain situations just because he said he wants white girls more than Asian ones.

[godzilla]

(11-28-2015 04:27 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

Agree with WIA.

I'll say this. If you like white women, then so be it. I'm a bit wary of most people throwing the "pedestalization" card when an Asian or other race guy puts out how much he likes blondes or whatever. The magnitude of pedestalization is a product of inner game, cultural limitations, geography and even bias from others in the form of the general consensus of the population regarding a group (eg Italian guys are romantic whereas an Asian guy is clownish).

What it's absolutely not is a product of preference but somehow a minority has to now pass the added barrier of proving it to his social circle in certain situations just because he said he wants white girls more than Asian ones.

A lot of this has to do with the environment your in. I went to school with a good amount of hot black chicks and there were just as many white guys who would've liked to fuck one of them. Usually, they were too intimidated by them to go for it.

Point being, if different races with the same cultural, socio-economic status and amount of good looking women lived together, I believe no "pedestalization" of white women would exist.