[TopSpruce]

I see that so many guys are in love with the idea of white women. I have an Asian friend who could be cleaning it up in his Asian country..but he's dreamin of white pussy. The dude has banged top shelf girls(I saw the pics) but he discounts them b/c of their color.

Unfortunately, it seems white women often gave negatives in terms of personality(highest rates of feminism/less traditional/more flaky). I think going for Africa/Asia would yield so much fresh territory.

But at the same time, I also grew up thinking of white girls and never dated another race. Its not as easy to switch preferences as it seems. I used to like asians as a teen(one of my firsy crushes) but after years of white models on magazine covers and porn, I've been brainwashed.

Is it possible to change who you're attracted to and undo the cultural programming?

PS Not starting a race debate, no need for pros/cons of races. Ques. is more about preferences/changing if that makes sense.

[speakeasy]

[TopSpruce]

By the way, I'm white/mid 20s.
And by Asian I have in mind SEA(Vietnam/Phillipines/Cambodia)

It seems white guys are more in demand there/more feminine/etc. I'm on my way to a date at this very moment, so I'm also in demand here

[Sebastian]

People assume just plain wrong way when minority guys say 'I like white girls'
Does that mean he doesn't care whether she is fat and ugly as long as she is white?
Of course not, when they say 'white girls', they are talking about girls all guys including white, will say at least 'she is cute'

I don't know. maybe people just judge based on couple words you use.
It's like I say 'I want to date a pretty girl' and they ask 'so you want to date hot dumb blonde?'
Of course not, I want to date a pretty girl who's sweet, intelligent and nice.

[TheSlayer]

Sigh...another race thread looking to "address" the same question for 1000th time.

What's the over/under on when this gets locked?

[SeanBateman]

I think it's a valid question. I have wondered the same thing because I find myself only being attracted to white girls. I do not have any predetermined preference, it's just a matter of passing the boner test. A girl of another race would need to have a killer body to even register as an option for me. Such a body is quite rare among Asian girls, although Osaka and Tokyo had notable exceptions (that I unfortunately did not bang but only observed in my pre red pill days). Black girls often have amazing bodies, often far better than white girls, but they struggle in the face. I am occasionally attracted to a beautiful Indian girl but those are rarely seen. But if I really think about it honestly I would prefer a pretty white girl to even the finest examples of any other race. But I'm not quite sure why this is exactly. I am a white dude, but this mentality does not seem to be exclusive to white dudes, so the argument of dating within your own race doesn't seem valid. There is something special about a pretty white girl. If a guy of any race can pull a pretty white girl it is a demonstration of strong game. If that same guy pulls a pretty ethnic girl it is a demonstration of his preference for that ethnicity. I think there are some deeper anthropological issues going on that are difficult to have a reasonable dialogue about without tempers flaring. Fair or not, generally a pretty white girl is seen as being the most attractive breed of girl, whether seen through the eyes of a white guy, black guy, latino guy, asian guy or arab guy. It's the top of the poosy mountain, the height of male achievement.

[your_father]

I guess it's very often the case for most people that we tend to crave and want something badly especially if it is something that they can't have. It's rather difficult to generalize this because I've known some Asian guys who are very into white women just like your friend, but at the same time I've also known plenty of others who just aren't interested by the idea at all. I'm studying in Sweden at the moment, so I've been asking the other Asian male students this question. I've heard some Westerners mentioning that Asians (with Chinese being the majority here) like to stick together and don't interact with others. So it's either they don't care about it or are secretly obsessing about white women, hahaha

Speaking for myself, I am keen to experiment and try it with Western women. In terms of looks they are exotic for me because features like blond/brown hair and the combination of blue or green eyes do not exist in Asian women (unless of course they dye their hair or wear color contact lenses, which I do not like at all). I generally prefer taller women (most Asian guys do not). By taller, I don't necessarily mean taller than me, but I like it especially if a girl is 170cm or above, which is rare and hard to find among Asian girls (when I do find some, my interest peaks). It's pretty common to find cute girls of that height here in Sweden where the general population is more on the tall side. So if any of you are just thinking that just because I am Asian, I must have a blonde fetish and would go for anybody as long as she's just white and blond, then you're making a false assumption here. FYI, I'm not into thick girls with big hips and thighs that wear short pants up to their asses to show off their cellulite (somehow that is seen pretty often during the summer here. It's none of my business what they wear, but I've got to say that they sure have a lot of confidence).

I guess that with the movies/magazines featuring a lot of Western women as "attractive" could have a lot of influence too. But generally, I believe that every race has their share of attractive women. It all comes down to facial symmetry and body shape. That's just the physical aspect we're talking about.

In terms of cultural compatibility though, I would say it's difficult. Unless we're speaking about a Westernized Asian person who grew up in the West, most Asian guys who are really Asian would definitely find that the cultures and way of thinking/mentality are totally different and this is the most difficult thing if one were to choose to pursue a relationship. As most of the time, it will most likely be the guy who has to adapt.

In my own opinion, I do find that Thai girls are more gentle and sweeter (I guess I haven't managed to attract any white girls enough for her to show off her sweet side). Even the Thai girls, who are friends, are more sweeter than the girls here who are friends (in general). The downside though is that they are pretty materialistic and I could say that goes for the society as a whole in general. Well, everybody wants security in life. Our values have changed a lot and I believe it's an irreversible trend now. I don't really get the feeling that the Swedish girls here are that materialistic and that's what I like (I believe that it's probably a different story in the US). Sweden is said to be one of the most egalitarian societies on earth and I guess with a welfare state that lessens a lot of the parents' burden (no tuition fees all the way to university level, student loans for every citizen, free lunch at school up to the end of high school, subsidized healthcare (not completely free)), most women will probably don't have to worry too much whether a man is super rich or not, he just needs to be able to support himself.

[QuanumPimpin]

The western, first world image of beauty is the white woman. Therefore those that idolize the west will want a white woman.

[worldwidetraveler]

I always thought it was more of a diversity type of thing. As men, we get tired of fucking the same thing so why not hit something different.

I don't understand why it has to be grouped into some type of obsession. The context of this forum revolves around pussy. A lot of people would say that is obsessive.

[Timoteo]

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There is something special about a pretty white girl. If a guy of any race can pull a pretty white girl it is a demonstration of strong game. If that same guy pulls a pretty ethnic girl it is a demonstration of his preference for that ethnicity. I think there are some deeper anthropological issues going on that are difficult to have a reasonable dialogue about without tempers flaring. Fair or not, generally a pretty white girl is seen as being the most attractive breed of girl, whether seen through the eyes of a white guy, black guy, latino guy, asian guy or arab guy. It's the top of the poosy mountain, the height of male achievement.

Intended or not, this is typical supremacist thinking. Just because the media puts forth the notion that the white woman is the most beautiful, it's faulty to assume men of all races hold that as the unquestioned truth. It's even more arrogant to assume that as a white male, it takes the strongest game to pull the most beautiful white woman, but somehow when a man of another race pulls the most beautiful of his own race, it doesn't require strong game, but simply being the same race. To say you aren't attracted to women of other races, but yet speak with assurance that men of other races somehow view beauty in the same way as you do, simply because you're white, is also suspect. Just because some Asian and Southeast Asian men hold the white woman up as a beauty standard and hold a certain obsession for them doesn't mean that a majority of other non-white men think similarly. Capturing a beautiful woman of any race is the height of male achievement (in the context of womanizing), but opinions regarding what is attractive is an ongoing debate, regardless of what is held up by media as the standard.

[X-Pac]

(10-13-2013 02:25 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  

People assume just plain wrong way when minority guys say 'I like white girls'
Does that mean he doesn't care whether she is fat and ugly as long as she is white?
Of course not, when they say 'white girls', they are talking about girls all guys including white, will say at least 'she is cute'

I don't know. maybe people just judge based on couple words you use.
It's like I say 'I want to date a pretty girl' and they ask 'so you want to date hot dumb blonde?'
Of course not, I want to date a pretty girl who's sweet, intelligent and nice.

I have seen plenty of Black guys with obese White women. Not too many Black guys are picky when it comes to White women.

[elabayarde]

White women-"the other white meat"

[SeanBateman]

(10-13-2013 03:43 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

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There is something special about a pretty white girl. If a guy of any race can pull a pretty white girl it is a demonstration of strong game. If that same guy pulls a pretty ethnic girl it is a demonstration of his preference for that ethnicity. I think there are some deeper anthropological issues going on that are difficult to have a reasonable dialogue about without tempers flaring. Fair or not, generally a pretty white girl is seen as being the most attractive breed of girl, whether seen through the eyes of a white guy, black guy, latino guy, asian guy or arab guy. It's the top of the poosy mountain, the height of male achievement.

Intended or not, this is typical supremacist thinking. Just because the media puts forth the notion that the white woman is the most beautiful, it's faulty to assume men of all races hold that as the unquestioned truth. It's even more arrogant to assume that as a white male, it takes the strongest game to pull the most beautiful white woman, but somehow when a man of another race pulls the most beautiful of his own race, it doesn't require strong game, but simply being the same race. To say you aren't attracted to women of other races, but yet speak with assurance that men of other races somehow view beauty in the same way as you do, simply because you're white, is also suspect. Just because some Asian and Southeast Asian men hold the white woman up as a beauty standard and hold a certain obsession for them doesn't mean that a majority of other non-white men think similarly. Capturing a beautiful woman of any race is the height of male achievement (in the context of womanizing), but opinions regarding what is attractive is an ongoing debate, regardless of what is held up by media as the standard.

Is the influence of media a chicken-or-the-egg type of argument? Does media influence culture or is media a reflection of culture? I don't think I'm being arrogant so much as observational. For example, in terms of what is considered attractive both by people of the same race and of other races, why is it so popular among Koreans to have cosmetic eye surgery to create more pronounced eyelids? Why are there very few popular dark skinned black actresses and a higher number of popular light skinned black actresses? Why are the vast majority of fashion models white? Are these things a reflection of collective aesthetic preference or a media conspiracy to subdue non-white women? I don't think it's the latter. I don't think it's "supremacist thinking" to observe and try to analyze broad cultural tendencies. And I say kudos to a man who pulls a pretty girl of any race. I will not deny the strength of his game or question his preference or judgment. However, whether driven by a conspiratorially racist media or not, I think it's fair to say that around the world pretty white women are generally favored by men of all races. That doesn't mean all men, but generally. I think to deny this or write it off as simply the influence of media is incorrect. And it raises the question I am most curious about and the reason for this thread, which is why am I more attracted to the bitchy white girl than the more gently mannered and easier to get along with asian girl? And can I consciously change the attraction to make my life better? I don't have a good reason for why my attraction is so strongly directed towards white girls. But I don't think I can change it. The difference between being in Asia and being in Europe for me is like night and day. In Asia I can go for days and days without seeing a girl I am even remotely attracted to. I almost forget that I have a cock. Upon my flight landing in a European country my attraction to the girls is so strong that is has been difficult to not rape a girl before leaving the airport. Aside from the hogs in the UK. Is this due to media influence? I don't think it is. If a poll were taken of all the men in the world questioning who has prettier girls, Nigeria or the Czech Republic, I think the Czech Republic would by a wide margin. I don't think that is supremacist thinking, I think that is a fact of the current global culture and to deny it is silly. But the question is, why are white women put on a global pedestal?

[QuanumPimpin]

(10-13-2013 06:50 PM)X-Pac Wrote:  

I have seen plenty of Black guys with obese White women. Not too many Black guys are picky when it comes to White women.

No you've seen a lot of poor black men with fat white women. Brothers who are in shape, college educated, or self made date women of all races that are in shape. Therefore, the only thing fat a brother of means care for is the backside. Lets end these ridiculous stereotypes based on class which most confuse with race. There is a fundamental difference.

[Collide]

I saw a brother at my college last week eying this fat ugly white chick in front of me because she had a huge ass. He tried game on her for a few minutes and she wanted nothing to do with him.

Black guys will forgive a girl for being big all around if it means a fat ass. White guys would rather compromise with a smaller ass if it meant the girl was overall more fit.

From my experience, not everyone, stereotypes, etc.

[Pokerbaby]

I think some White men believe that attractive Asian women are much more easily attainable then the comparable white woman equivalent.

[buja]

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The western, first world image of beauty is the white woman. Therefore those that idolize the west will want a white woman.

True, true.

Latin American friends of mine think that Jennifer Aniston is the pinnacle of feminine beauty.

She is just an average-looking woman but because she's white with light hair on a gringo TV show, she's automatically a goddess to them.

They'd prefer an average or below average white chick to a nice-looking morena!

I don't understand that.

[speakeasy]

(10-13-2013 11:06 PM)SeanBateman Wrote:  

But the question is, why are white women put on a global pedestal?

Probably because whites have been the dominate global force for the last 500 years. Only way to really test this theory is to see if isolated pockets of non-whites with little or no exposure to Western culture pedestalize whites. I don't know for sure if anyone has researched this before but I think I do remember reading about a white woman that visited the Masai in Kenya and she said that they didn't see her as a real woman, or something to that effect. I doubt that those very isolated Africans you see practicing scarification with plates in their lips have internalized any outside beauty standards. They are likely to be extremely endogamous.

What you see with IRTs I'm guessing is just due to cultural influence. Whites have done quite a job of packaging their culture and way of life for export to the rest of the world. Developing a taste for the women just came along with that I suppose.

Also interesting to note though that there are some places where black women are fetishized. I don't know a black woman that's ever been to Italy that wasn't hounded relentlessly. I've seen black women that wouldn't turn anyone's head in America getting treated like Beyonce in Italy. Italy is for black women what Peru is for tall blonde guys. I've heard similar reports from black women visiting Argentina.

Check this out: http://untiligettoyou.blogspot.com/2010/...woman.html

[scotian]

(10-14-2013 02:20 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(10-13-2013 11:06 PM)SeanBateman Wrote:  

But the question is, why are white women put on a global pedestal?

Probably because whites have been the dominate global force for the last 500 years. Only way to really test this theory is to see if isolated pockets of non-whites with little or no exposure to Western culture pedestalize whites. I don't know for sure if anyone has researched this before but I think I do remember reading about a white woman that visited the Masai in Kenya and she said that they didn't see her as a real woman, or something to that effect. I doubt that those very isolated Africans you see practicing scarification with plates in their lips have internalized any outside beauty standards. They are likely to be extremely endogamous.

What you see with IRTs I'm guessing is just due to cultural influence. Whites have done quite a job of packaging their culture and way of life for export to the rest of the world. Developing a taste for the women just came along with that I suppose.

Also interesting to note though that there are some places where black women are fetishized. I don't know a black woman that's ever been to Italy that wasn't hounded relentlessly. I've seen black women that wouldn't turn anyone's head in America getting treated like Beyonce in Italy. Italy is for black women what Peru is for tall blonde guys. I've heard similar reports from black women visiting Argentina.

Check this out: http://untiligettoyou.blogspot.com/2010/...woman.html

For some reason black girls give me the most boners, I'm not Italian.

[speakeasy]

(10-14-2013 02:36 AM)scotian Wrote:  

For some reason black girls give me the most boners, I'm not Italian.

Hah, too much time looking at Athlone's black hotness thread?

[X-Pac]

(10-14-2013 01:12 AM)buja Wrote:  

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The western, first world image of beauty is the white woman. Therefore those that idolize the west will want a white woman.

True, true.

Latin American friends of mine think that Jennifer Aniston is the pinnacle of feminine beauty.

She is just an average-looking woman but because she's white with light hair on a gringo TV show, she's automatically a goddess to them.

They'd prefer an average or below average white chick to a nice-looking morena!

I don't understand that.

I rarely see Mestizo men (George Lopez Danny Trejo types) with White women. Over 95 percent of Mestizo men I see are with other Mestizo women.

So I doubt White female worship is big among Brown Latino men. Whenever I see a Latino man with a White woman, 9 times out of 10 the Latino man falls on the Whiter end of the scale meaning they look like they can pass for a Southern European.

It's mostly the Whiter looking Latino men that are getting the Gringas. Not the 5 foot 3 Aztec looking dudes.

[w00t]

Im as white as you can get and think white women are overrated.
Noting gets me hard like thick black chicks or brow/yellow asian girls.

[Sargon of Akkad]

I'd say the preference by some men of white women has two sources:

1.) Western standards of beauty in the media. Hollywood and other aspects of Western (particularly American) pop culture have typically promoted Western ideals of beauty, which usually means that of attractive white women. Before that, you also had colonialist influences in many parts of the world to enforce these standards.

2.) Many cultures have historically associated fair skin with the upper class and thus with beauty. In East Asia, parts of (pre-Imperialist) Europe, and probably many other places, deeply tanned skin was associated with the peasantry as it was often a sign of working in the fields all day, while women of wealthy, noble backgrounds were the only who could afford to stay almost entirely in doors, and were thus the only ones you were likely to find lacking a deep tan. Aside from that, light hair is rare in most parts of the world and is thus viewed as exotic.

Just my two cents

[Beyond Borders]

I see this inference come up a lot, and I'm surprised that everyone always hops on and just agrees without questioning whether white women are actually more desired. From my experiences growing up in America, I always thought women with slightly darker complexions were the more desired ones. Maybe with a little white blood in them but not white.

Am I the only one who thought this was the case?

[Mentavious]

(10-14-2013 11:36 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

I see this inference come up a lot, and I'm surprised that everyone always hops on and just agrees without questioning whether white women are actually more desired. From my experiences growing up in America, I always thought women with slightly darker complexions were the more desired ones. Maybe with a little white blood in them but not white.

Am I the only one who thought this was the case?

Back in my younger days them Young girls were always tanning and trying to get that darker skin tone. I always thought about it that way too