[G Trooper]

Yeah I know what you mean. A lot of the really grade A latin hunnies down here stick to their social circle, which can be impossible to penetrate. All the time I see 8's from Miami with absolute d-bags that they met through their social circle.

I went to Bully's a couple times and those were some tough girls to open and most if not all of them were dirt poor. I'm looking forward to your write up.

[puckerman]

(11-02-2013 06:17 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

The only smart policy with respect to age of consent is act as if the age of consent is 18 anywhere in the US, no matter what state you're in.

In today's world, anyone who thinks about fucking girls under 18 that are technically "legal" in their state is asking for trouble. You're one false move -- or more like one minor bad break -- away from your life being over. The authorities will try to get you any way they can, and there are a lot of ways they can do it.

The girl, which you can supposedly "legally" fuck, texts you an image of her boobs? Guess what, you're in possession of "child pornography". If you're dumb enough to take a picture yourself, you're "producing child pornography" as well as being in possession.

She drinks some beer, smokes a joint or watches some porn while at your place? Guess what, you've "contributed to the delinquency of a minor".

You've helped her with homework a couple of times? Guess what, you're "tutoring" her and are therefore a "figure of authority" which means that she cannot legally consent and anything you do is statutory rape.

Enough people find out what you do, there will be white knight hackers who think you're scum and will break into your computer and plant images there. Then the cops will seize your hard drive and it's all over.

The reason some states have ages of consent below 18 is because otherwise they'd have to prosecute shit that happens in ghettos and/or trailer parks all the time, and jails are crowded enough as it is. But if you're dealing with girls that are middle class or above, don't even think about it. Really, don't even think about it in any social class. No pussy is worth ruining your life for.

Just go after the 18-20 year olds, make sure you see a good ID or two pieces of ID in case you have any doubt, record as much as you can and get texts or emails confirming enthusiastic consent -- and then have fun and say FUCK YOU to all feminist hags who would make the age of consent 30 for a man of 35 if they could get away with it.

Thank you for a very important post. Everything here is true.

You can also get into trouble if you're in a car accident. What if the girl didn't have permission to be in your car? The parents can give you lots of trouble. And that is the problem with all girls under 18.

[mr_mike]

roll up like a boss

[Hector_St_Clare]

18-21 is my preferred age range, so this is an awesome thread for me. Thanks!

Weirdly enough, I got on Tinder a few weeks ago. In spite of my general age preferences, as a sort of experiment I've been swiping 'yes' on anyone who looks vaguely attractive, regardless of age (including women in their 30s, 40s and even 50s). I've had 13 matches, of which 8 are 18-22 years old. Take that for what it's worth.

Giovonny, I very much appreciate your advice!

[Travesty]

It's definitely about super casual activities. Go for a walk, skateboard with her, bike ride. Stop for a smoothy or ice cream. Keep everything young in mindset. Be up to speed with current music.

Dress young when you meet her. Shave, wear a baseball hat, t-shirt, and sneakers when you meet.

Getting her back to your couch drinking and smoking is the big goal.

Gio knows what he is talking about I am still waiting for his book.

Try to avoid sitting down at anytime on a first date unless it is on your couch! Be on the move take her to an arcade or cool little store.

I follow the same recipe no matter the age prebang only sit if it is directly next to her (in pussy rubbing distance) while drinking at a bar or at your place!

[General Stalin]

Young gals are easy to impress, and Travesty444 has the right idea - do light fun stuff. I fucked an 18 yo off OKC just a couple weeks ago. Met her at a downtown area near where she lives, walked around the shops and got smoothies, drove to the record store and bought a comedy movie, went back to my place and watched it while we ate some left over pasta I had in my fridge, the banged all night. I spent a grand total of about $8 all day. She stayed over and we banged again in the morning and I brought her home. 18 is a fun age.

EDIT: don't worry about "looking young" a lot of young girls LOVE older guys, and she is gonna know you're older. Sometimes these girls want to be shown a good time and be in the company of a mature "real man" etc.

[Giovonny]

(05-01-2014 05:58 PM)Hector_St_Clare Wrote:  

Giovonny, I very much appreciate your advice!

You're welcome!

It has been my pleasure to research and experiment with this age group!

(05-01-2014 06:37 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

Gio knows what he is talking about I am still waiting for his book.

Thanks, I'm working on the book now!

I have been using your indirect approach style and I love it!

"the library is this way right?"

hahaha!

*****

Here is some stuff that I have written over the years

The best place to take an 18-20 year old girl is to your couch. Offer them food, alcohol, drugs, etc.

My standard lines to ask them ask them out are:

"wanna hang out"
"wanna come over and hang out"
"wanna come over and watch tv or something"
"wanna smoke and get something to eat"
"lets grab a beer and some tacos or something"
"lets go get something to eat" (I usually suggest her favorite food)

Stuff like that.

They usually don't need much wining and dining. I rarely ever do any formal "adult dates".

Take them to eat and then take then back to your place!

If they are not comfortable coming to your house OR IF YOUR ARE NOT COMFORTABLE ASKING THEM -- take them somewhere to walk around and drink/smoke weed. I like malls, downtown shopping areas, the beach, parks, their own college campus, touristy places, etc.

Just make sure you keep it close to your house so you can "go back to your place" easily.

If they like you, and they are DTF, it doesn't take much to get them going. Don't waste alot of time and money on them. Have 2 drinks and then get back to your couch.

*****

Here are some other ideas that I use sometimes...

I say..."I'm going shopping later, wanna come be my assistant?"

or..."I'm going shopping later, come have a drink and be my stylist"

or..."I'm going shopping later, come help me pick out some outfits"

Something like that. Take her to a nice shopping area. Grab some drinks and put them into plastic soda/gatorade bottles.

This is my basic "afternoon mall date" with a younger girl. Use all the stores and people in the mall to your advantage.
There is alot of interesting stuff to look at and make conversation about.

*****

The biggest things are to get her comfortable and get her back to your place!

Make sure your house is clean and the alcohol and weed are ready!

******

Here are some other ideas..

Take them to eat. Not a fancy restaurant. Something cheap and quick. After we eat, I say, wanna come check out my new condo" (I bought it 5 years ago)

I often take them to the park near my house to drink. It's a 2 minute walk back to my place!

******

The biggest thing with this age group is to get them drunk and alone. That is seriously 90% of the battle!

If you can do that, you are gonna bang.

*****

There is tons more information in the first 2 pages of this thread.

*****

A lot of that stuff, I wrote a year or 2 ago. Honestly, nowadays, I am using more picture messages and things like that to entice them. I will soon start using "SnapChat"

[Travesty]

Yeah I have been way too lazy to use SnapChat, but every young girl has it.

Infact…

I think a great idea is to stockpile a ton of cool pictures of you going cool activities or even just local scenary that you can just randomly send to new girls even if you didn't just do it and hit them with those every few days to start conversations and keep harem girls interested.

I used to be more creative especially when I used online a lot more (5 months ago), making creative messages, then trying to text some cool stuff.

Now it is just approach > get them to meet > go for bang

My creativity in Game has gotten lazy, but it is a tremendous tool especially for some higher quality chicks that need more game.

[Travesty]

(05-02-2014 09:35 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

EDIT: don't worry about "looking young" a lot of young girls LOVE older guys, and she is gonna know you're older. Sometimes these girls want to be shown a good time and be in the company of a mature "real man" etc.

I'd argue you are limiting yourself to a much smaller subset of younger girls by trying to be "mature" without Sugar Daddy game.

If you're 40+ yeah trying to look like a 20 something will come off as ridiculous. If you are late 20s to mid 30s I'd argue try to look like and say you are mid 20s as long as you can get away with it.

The girls that are young (18-22) that truly like an older mature guy that looks and acts his age (late 30s+) in America is a pretty small subset in reality without Sugar Daddy going on. I think it is male hamster speaking up otherwise.

Gio himself although stated he dresses much better and refined now states he looks much younger than his age and tells girls he is 29, and also has the same philosophy as me with younger girls that your mind has to be free to change topics constantly and stay in a fast flow to keep these girls' attention spans in check.

I bet he'd suffer losing many bangs if he told girls he was late 30s when asked and did not act youthful and get into that young girl mind wave length and instead acted like the refined late 30 year old version of himself.

I know I would. I am 29, if I didn't dumb it down to ADD levels with these chicks, constantly fighting against her boredom that is always 10 seconds around the corner if you don't keep it up then I'd lose out on many bangs in this age bracket as well.

I would say 24 is the critical year where the flood gates open and being an older refined guy into his early 40s works just fine with a very large portion of girls (no age lying, no perceived sugar daddy game, no dumbing yourself down (ADD game)).

[wandenreich]

Hi guys. I was thinking about creating a new thread in the Newbies forum but figured my situation is probably more related with this one so...

Backstory:
Met this chick on OKC, 18 y.o., I'd say close to 6.5 or 7. Got the number after one opener and two banters.

I tried to set up a drink date with her after and she turned me down twice. On the third time I finally succeeded and I'm still not really sure how that happened, below is the history

Monday, April 28th at 7:26 pm
Me: ?
Her: Hey
Me: Drink?
Her: Sorry I haven't gotten back to you, just have been sick so also haven't felt like drinking
Me: Huh you can't drink coffee?
Her: Really so is coffee? Because you were talking about alcohol from when I remember
Me: That's last week? Feeling coffee today
Her: Oh well if is coffee sounds great
Me: Cool you in the city right now
Her: No I'm in the Bronx
Me: Come to Union Square
Her: Are you always around there?
Me: You coming?
Me: ?
Her: Not sure since it takes like two hrs why didn't you tell me earlier
Me: Take the cab and I'll reimburse you
Her: No I rather just take the bus
Me: Cool see you in 2 hours
Her: Hahah oh god okay
Me: Text me when you leave
Me: ?
Her: Almost
Me: Leaving? Or here?
Her: I'm 8 stops away

10:27PM
Me: Ok

As you can see I broke almost all the rules in text game (being needy, sent out multiple texts, didn't play the queue time etc) We did end up meeting at 11PM. We went to Starbucks, I bought both coffee, then sat in the park, talked, asked me personal questions, made out after 45 minutes. I'll point out some interesting things I learned during our date with my thoughts in parentheses:

1. She told me she was pretending to be sick because she didn't feel comfortable drinking alcohol with me. How guys only think about sex when they ask girls to get drink. (Yup)

2. Guys her age are immature, the way they look at her creep her out thus she prefers older man. (Older man game?)

3. Had a boyfriend, broke up with him (Going to assume they fucked so I don't need to treat her like an innocent girl)

4. Met up with another guy a week prior, didn't go well according to her (Maybe he didn't escalate enough)

5. Moved to the U.S. when she's 10~12, living with her mom and has a step-dad living in the city (Going to assume her relationship with her step-dad isn't good since the family doesn't even live together. Daddy issue?)

6. Has piercings other than on her ear, cursed a few time (Slut signs?)

The 'date' lasted about 90 minutes during that time we made out maybe 3 more times. Walked her to the subway station, groped and made out again in a well lit space with people watching. So I'm going to assume the attraction is there. Received text from her that night telling me she got home safe. I could tell the dynamic changed because she was more enthusiastic. Texted her the next day (Tuesday April 29) and tried to arrange another meet up later that week which she responded with "mmm hopefully" < Not really sure what happened here because it seemed like she lost all the momentum within 24 hours. Also mentioned she "dislike guys who just make plans to meet up but show little interest in also having conversations over the phone." I told her "ok so I'll call you now"

^Also not sure if she was trying to qualify me and I fell right into it :/ Talked for 39 minutes which I also found out

1. She's texting 3 guys (Not sure if that includes me or not)

2. Her cousin lives few blocks away from where I live and she would visit and stay over at her place every now and then. (Good logistic?)

Ping her with restart text Friday night, didn't get any response. Received a message from her Sunday morning on OKC ("my phone drowned lol") and she disabled her account before I had the chance to respond.

Found her tumblr account Tuesday and sent a tease message. She asked for my number and I replied 7 hours later (Another shit test? Maybe I should've asked for her number.) Didn't receive any text so I messaged her again last night for her number. Fast forward to now she replied with "text ##########" Haven't text her yet.

------------------------------------------

Thoughts? Not sure how I should proceed from here because she's the youngest and hottest I've game thus far. I've only game 25-33 y.o. that are somewhere between 4 to 6 up to this point. And this one is a bit unconventional. I know I should probably isolate her, have alcohol ready and close. But I don't want to scare the cat since I've been doing a lot of pulling and chasing recently with the googling her tumblr account and asking her number even though she has mine...

[Travesty]

Step 1:

Breathe deep put her on the back burner for a few days until you kick the pedestal out from under her.

[wandenreich]

(05-08-2014 03:41 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

Step 1:

Breathe deep put her on the back burner for a few days until you kick the pedestal out from under her.

haha yes the abundance mentality. I did expect answer like this after going over my wall of text.

It's the combination of her giving yellow light and the unconventional game, or, the lack of one that got me thus far that threw me off.

[Giovonny]

(05-08-2014 03:36 PM)wandenreich Wrote:  

Thoughts?

Don't over-think every little detail!

These young girls are often very illogical in their behavior. There is no rhyme or reason to their actions.

You can do everything right and still lose the girl. They can be very very fickle.

Do not use common logic to try and explain their behavior.

There are too many uncontrollable and psychological factors involved.

How she feels? What her friends think? Is she horny? What is her status on social media? What was the theme of the tv show she watched last night?

You just never know with these young girls..

Try to focus on the basics -- Get her comfortable, get her out, get her isolated, get her drunk, go for it!

That is 90% of the battle!

*****

Don't try to figure her out, it's honestly a waste of time. Young girls themselves do not even know why they do what they do.

Logic and reason will not help explain it. It's all about their emotional needs and wants.

If she's horny, she might come meet you and bang you. If she just masturbated, she might not call you ever again. There is no way of knowing.

*****

Text her and calmly set up another date. Be aware that she is being cautious. You need to keep her comfortable, obviously.

I would offer to meet her in a busy, well lit, crowded place. But, make sure that it is in walking or short cab ride from your place.

Tell her whatever you have to to keep her comfortable, but, in the back of your mind, always be pushing the Basics. (alcohol and isolation)

******

I know it is a challenge when you first start dealing with these young girls. It's very exciting for us but also can be a little confusing. I was very nervous my first few times.

Take her off the pedestal, relax, keep calm, stay lighthearted, and set up that next date.

________________________________________________________________________________​_______________________________________

I want to share a story about a 20 year old girl.

She was born in 1994, I graduated high school in 1994.

She told me that she loves the 90's! She loves the music from the 90's. She mentioned how Justin Bieber wears a clothing brand called "1994".

I tell her all about the 90's and of course I tell her that she would have loved the 90's and the 90's would have loved her!

Our last date, I told her to come over for a 90's party!

We drank wine and played 90's music!

[gustavofring]

I don't know about America, but If your ever in London, hit up a place called Shoreditch. Teenage pussy paradise.

[wandenreich]

Thanks Gio! Inspiring as always. Looks like it's up tonight, still not sure how their brain works since I've been doing all the pulling and chasing this week. I really want to develop a strategy for this age group too.





Just went through your "Choke Point" and "Professor Game" posts, gotta say there's a lot of gold in this forum, wish I found out about this earlier.

[soup]

Thanks Gio, I just happened on your post at the perfect time. I'm dealing with a 20 yo who wants to go out and party tonight but didn't hint that she wants to with me.

[Valhalla]

18 year olds are almost impossible on okc

They will very rarely meet you.

Best place is day game

Soup which post where you referencing exactly

[Giovonny]

I just banged a 19 year old, pretty white girl. A "7" in my book.

I would describe her as "young", "milky", and "perky"!

Cute little body with great teenage tits!

I approached her last week on a university campus:

(05-08-2014 02:11 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I see a cute white girl walking right towards me.. She is wearing a shirt that says something in French..

me: what does your shirt say?
her: oh its says "laugh or cry"
me: oh ha thats deep
her: haha it is
me: do you speak french?
her: just a little
me: im half french but i dont speak it
her: oh too bad
me: my name is gio
her: hey gio im karen
me: what do u study?
her: art
me: you do seem like an art student
her: i do
me: ya you are interesting, do u ever go to any museums around here?
her: not yet but i really want to
me: i just went to the legion of honor, its amazing
her: oh my god, i want to go there

I told her all about it. connection was made.

Got her number. We have plans to go this week

After getting her number.. I texted her a few hours later, around 8:30pm..

"hey karen, nice meeting you today, my aunt is a member of that museum and I think she can get us in free, let me know if you wanna go next week -- gio"

"nice meeting you too gio, next week sounds great!", she replied.

"ok, text you early next week, have a good weekend", I said.

I waited a few days and then texted her again on Saturday, just to stay on her "radar", she mentioned that she was going out of town to visit family so I made a comment about that..

hey karen, stay cool up in sac! (a reference to Sacramento)

She responded -- "hey! I'm trying to stay indoors! air conditioning!"

"good idea. have fun with the fam!", I replied.

*****

A few days later, I invited her to go to the best museum in San Francisco. She is an art history major.

Once I identify a girls favorite foods, favorite hobbies, favorite subjects, etc. I use those things to engage her interest and invite her out to do something related to those things.

*****

On Wednesday of the following week, I texted her..

"hey karen, wanna go to the Legion on Honor on friday afternoon?"

"sounds good but it has to be after 2pm", she replied.

"ok, i can meet u on campus around 2:15, this place is gonna blow your mind!", I said.

"im looking forward to it"

k, text u friday"

*****

Friday comes and I text her around 1pm..

"meet u around 215.."

"k where?", she said.

"near where we met"

"ok"

*****

She texted me at 215..

"im here""

"on my way", I relied.

I meet her near her dorm building around 220pm and we start walking to my car.

She asked me if I was a teacher at the school..

"No, im a graduate student", I said.

She asked me how old I was..

"29"

*****

We went to the museum and had a great time. It's a very interesting place.

Afterwards, I took her to get a burrito.

She complained that she is sick of the dorm food.

I made a mental note to entice her with more tasty food!

After the date, I dropped her off at the dorms, I thought about going for a kiss but she exited my car quickly without really giving me a chance to go for it. No big deal.

*****

I texted her the next day just to feel her out.

"how did u like the legion of honor?"

"i loved it, thanks so much!"

"ur welcome. got any plans tonight?

"i gotta write a paper and do a presentation tonight"

"ok. im going out to dinner tmw, i'll text u to see if u wanna come", I said.

"where are u going?", she asked.

"not sure yet, im thinking mediterranean.."

"ive never tried medditerean", she said.

"you will like it, trust me"

"ok, remember, i cant have peanuts"

"i remember, text u tmw"

*****

The next day, I texted her around 430pm

"getting hungry?"

"a little but i have tons of homework, i dont think i can go out tonight sorry", she replied.

I thought about it for a second..

"no worries, im gonna get the food to go, wanna just eat somewhere on campus?", I replied

"you can come here but the only thing open is subway"

"no, im gonna pick up the medditereanen food and bring it to campus, see u in 45 mins"

"k, see u in 45mins"

*****

I pick up the food and text her when I get on campus..

im down here in front of the dorms"

"be right there", she said.

She came and met me and I was expecting to sit outside and eat somewhere, but she surprised me..

"my roommates are gone, we can eat at my kitchen table", she said.

Perfect! I was very excited.. When a college girl invites you into her empty dorm room, you have a good chance of banging!

*****

We ate, we started with dessert, then, her roommate came home with her boyfriend. Luckily, each girl has her own room.

As we were eating our ice cream, I said -- wanna go to your room?

10 seconds later we were in her room with the door closed and the radio on. She showed me some of the art work she was working on. She sat on her bed and I sat on a chair right next to the bed.

I touched my stomach and chest to her legs. We talked music.

I went for the make out. She was into it. I unsnapped her bra, she didn't resist. I rubbed her pussy, she moaned.

I unsnapped her pants, she didn't fight me.

I told her to take her pants off, she did!

I took her panties off and laid her on the bed! Bang!

19 year old pussy is a beautiful thing!

[Quintus Curtius]

@Giovonny:

Masterful.

When all is said and done, isn't this what makes life great?

[Lothario]

You mofo Gio, reading this gave me a chubby, carry on Brother ........

[Pacific]

You are an inspiration, Gio. Brings back good memories. I need to bang some chicks in the dorms again.

[Hans Dix]

Classic Gio

[jayyrod1]

(10-09-2013 10:23 PM)kerouac Wrote:  

The girls working the registers all over USA. Go to any Target and you'll see plenty of them. Hell even Del Taco had one that I saw the other day. They're dying for a guy to hit on them during their slow hours.

I just took this advice to the streets and I gotta give a thumbs up on it.

Weekdays are usually slow so I hit up my local mall and had some good hunting.
2 out of 3 girls asked (Before I even opened my mouth) "Do you need help finding anything?"

"Uhhh, well... Now that you're here, I guess not. I'm jayyrod1"
*smirk*

Both positive responses. Both we're 17. Mission aborted.
I'll make it a point to do this again and see if I don't get any 18+ hits.
It's only a matter of time... and approaches.

[Hector_St_Clare]

(05-12-2014 05:26 PM)jayyrod1 Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 10:23 PM)kerouac Wrote:  

The girls working the registers all over USA. Go to any Target and you'll see plenty of them. Hell even Del Taco had one that I saw the other day. They're dying for a guy to hit on them during their slow hours.

I just took this advice to the streets and I gotta give a thumbs up on it.

Weekdays are usually slow so I hit up my local mall and had some good hunting.
2 out of 3 girls asked (Before I even opened my mouth) "Do you need help finding anything?"

"Uhhh, well... Now that you're here, I guess not. I'm jayyrod1"
*smirk*

Both positive responses. Both we're 17. Mission aborted.
I'll make it a point to do this again and see if I don't get any 18+ hits.
It's only a matter of time... and approaches.

Nice. Good luck with that! For what it's worth, if they're 17, you can still make their acquaintance and start talking once they turn 18.

[Hector_St_Clare]

Gio,

You're an inspiration to me- hope you keep doing whatever it is you're doing!

Your text game seems like it works pretty well- in your place I would probably have made the mistake of either seeming too eager, or else not 'interested' at all, but you played it perfectly.

I have a date, in theory, with an 18 y/o this weekend (we met last summer right after her 18th birthday, at a club, and we've been chatting since then. I live in a different state- moved for my job- but I'll be up in her city a bunch this summer for research, so in theory we should be hanging out this weekend). She knows my age (I'm 33). I've been chatting a bit with another 18 y/o gal I met at an event on campus (I work at the university, it was a talk about the criminal justice system she was attending for class credit), but I still have no idea if she's interested- I'm planning to ask her on a date soon. I met a 20 y/o girl at the coffee shop a while back- started a conversation by complimenting her shoes- and got her number, but I think she's flaking so that's not going to happen. I've met a few other girls through work and activities, but they still have boyfriends- who knows if that will change though.

Look forward to doing better in the future, largely because of the lessons I've learned from folks like you!