[Therapsid]

Depends what level of girl you're going for.

Maybe Giovanny is going for the dimes of the world.

If he's going for the hottest girls, girls some beta guy might say are "out of his league", even with tight game he may need 50 approaches.

I mean, he is going for attractive 19, 20 year olds, as a man in his mid 30's.

I don't do as many approaches a week but I usually go for girls who are cute instead of hot.

So, yeah if you go for girls who you feel like are going to most receptive you won't have to do as many approaches, but maybe some guys don't want to settle for that group of girls.

I feel like Giovanny has made approaching his lifestyle. I like that - the fact he approaches everywhere, anytime, anyplace. No approach anxiety.

[WestIndianArchie]

(10-23-2013 04:00 PM)Player_1337 Wrote:  

Although I'm a major proponent of being uninhibited and making many approaches- it can sometimes be discouraging when you feel like you're not learning anything/not growing stronger from failed attempts or leads that go nowhere.

That's one of the toughest things about game. The feedback isn't immediate or specialized.

Did she not like the way I look?
Is she only into Arab guys?
Was it something I said?
Maybe I should have lead with a canned story about what happened to me today, instead of trying to riff off of my general surroundings?
Did I ask too many questions?
Was it my clothes?
Was it my body language?
Maybe she actually does have a boyfriend that she is really in love with?

One of the big decisions you have to make pretty much everytime you go out
- if faced with adversity, do I keep doing things the same way, or do I change what I do.

With approach X, I might have gotten girls 1,5,7
With approach Y, I might have gotten girls, 2,4,8

....You just don't know.

When you stick with 1 approach and you get results, are you getting chicks because of what you said and did, or DESPITE what you said and did?

After you bed chicks and do the debrief, these bitches will amaze and confuse you as to why they wanted to fuck you. They'll pick up on things that you didn't know you were doing, or that you find embarassing, or that make no sense.

"My ears Bitch? really?"

All of this stresses on your brain. Your brain finds patterns, but there is no pattern here to find. And any pattern you find, can you really trust it?

But at some point, as most of the vets will attest, after a while you subconsciously internalize all of your successful behavior even if you can't verbalize them or articulate exactly what is happening.

When the fear of approach subsides, when the pain of rejection doesn't sting as much, when you realize that this chick is giving you a typical reaction.... you know you've got game.

It's all fits and starts, lulls and pandemonium. The whole thing never really smooths out.

That's how it's been for me at least. My game gets rusty, I don't feel up on everything...and then I just access those prior memories, and start to trust my own ability to connect.

You just gotta keep going out there and pushing yourself. In the metro interview, Roosh said he's been doing this actively for 12+ years.

12 years from now, where will your game be?

WIA

[Giovonny]

(10-23-2013 09:21 PM)Harvey Specter Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 03:46 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

When I met Gio I was pretty surprised when he told me his approach to lay ratio, although I believe he said it's improved a lot since then, it still seemed like he was approaching a shit ton of women, just to bed a single one.

What are we talking here, 50, 100 per lay?

4 years ago, when I started day gaming on university campuses, I was 34 years old. It took me about 75 approaches to get a bang.

I was a newbie.

I only approached girls 18-21.

Recently, I got an 18yo after 30 approaches.

I am getting better by the day.

(10-23-2013 10:09 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Gio has a lot of factors working AGAINST him because of his chosen target market: college girls.

Yes.

I am 38. I go for 18 year olds.

This is why I have to approach so much.

(10-24-2013 08:38 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

The difference between a hack and a hunter my friends.

I am a hack. I admit it.

I do what I must do in order to bang barely legal p*ssy.

You are a hunter..

How many 18 year olds do you have to approach in order to get one? (In America)

(10-24-2013 09:08 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

That's one of the toughest things about game. The feedback isn't immediate or specialized.

I think the feedback is immediate.

When I get rejected by a girl, I immediately know what I did wrong. Usually, its because I was too much of a p*ssy. When I really own it and didn't give a fuck, girls respond better.

Based on the girl's response, I can usually tell what I did wrong, to a degree, most times I just say -- "she didn't like me". I don't think about it any more than that.

[WestIndianArchie]

(10-24-2013 02:08 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

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(10-24-2013 09:08 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

That's one of the toughest things about game. The feedback isn't immediate or specialized.

I think the feedback is immediate.

When I get rejected by a girl, I immediately know what I did wrong. Usually, its because I was too much of a p*ssy. When I really own it and didn't give a fuck, girls respond better.

Based on the girl's response, I can usually tell what I did wrong.

I respect your game! Salute.

It's funny, i'll be out one night, everything is going gravy. If we don't hook up, the # is solid.

Next night, same venue, different chicks, being me, going hard in the paint as it were - not connecting at all. Not into anything that I feel is solid.

I'm not at that point where every night equals a ONS or a solid lead for a day 2.

Now I've got something to aspire to.

Every time I achieve a goal, get to the top of a mountain,
- the journey was more satisfying than the destination
- the destination is meh
- gotta come up with something else to keep the mind occupied and the ego stroked.

Might not be on Roosh's level, but I've had my fair share of Anna's.

WIA

[DVY]

^^^Gio is your game really improving, or are you getting better at choosing girls?

Reason I ask is that for me its def the later. I can just look at a girl and know if it'll go well. Smile, demeanor, walk, talk, body positioning.

Don't get me wrong- I'll still talk to anybody I really want to, but if she doesn't fit that mold I discount it as a low-probability event and just go talk it up w/her. Even if it bombs, Ill have a good story about how I got "blown out". Mind tricks perhaps.

[carouge]

To emech,I usually think the same about the girls that just got in getting primed.but I didnt understand you clearly.do you wait till they are primed up and ready to bounce or do you go in right away?I usually wait.but i can risk losing out that way too.sorry guys if im off topic

[neanderthal]

(10-24-2013 08:38 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(10-24-2013 03:03 AM)soup Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 07:52 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Im going to agree with Giovonny. After all this you approach 50 girls a week your game does suck and you're strictly playing a numbers game.

How long can you? I don't think your thread is serious at all because after a while you can tell what's up and read them and youre not retarded.

Are you saying that you don't believe he approaches 50 girls a week, or are you saying that he is wrong?

I'm saying that after you do that for a period of time you get good at it and know which girls are going to be receptive so you don't have to do 50 you need 5 to get the same job done.

This is good for beginners if they have anxiety but seasoned vets should move like the wind.

Example: Me and Lothario sitting at a table..

Two girls walk up to the bar. He wants to approach.

I watch...

I notice they just got off work and know the bartender, they're drinking shots..

Why approach now? They're not ready (in my eyes) they're getting primed and are an hour away from a "bounce" so to me..I'm not going to waste my time and ruin my chance for when they ARE ready to bounce (in my eyes) then I'll roll in.

He approached another who WAS ready and pulled her to his room..

The difference between a hack and a hunter my friends.

TIGER GAME

[Col. Tigh]

Good advice. And while this won't be popular, here's the corollary to increasing your approaches: lower your standards. As long as she passes YOUR boner test, that's what matters. After all, you won't be fucking her with anyone else's dick.

[soup]

(10-24-2013 08:38 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(10-24-2013 03:03 AM)soup Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 07:52 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Im going to agree with Giovonny. After all this you approach 50 girls a week your game does suck and you're strictly playing a numbers game.

How long can you? I don't think your thread is serious at all because after a while you can tell what's up and read them and youre not retarded.

Are you saying that you don't believe he approaches 50 girls a week, or are you saying that he is wrong?

I'm saying that after you do that for a period of time you get good at it and know which girls are going to be receptive so you don't have to do 50 you need 5 to get the same job done.

This is good for beginners if they have anxiety but seasoned vets should move like the wind.

Example: Me and Lothario sitting at a table..

Two girls walk up to the bar. He wants to approach.

I watch...

I notice they just got off work and know the bartender, they're drinking shots..

Why approach now? They're not ready (in my eyes) they're getting primed and are an hour away from a "bounce" so to me..I'm not going to waste my time and ruin my chance for when they ARE ready to bounce (in my eyes) then I'll roll in.

He approached another who WAS ready and pulled her to his room..

The difference between a hack and a hunter my friends.

This god's eye view of the game is definitely one of the most valuable assets a player can have.

Most guys are straight up blind when it comes to social interactions.

For a lot of reasons, women are much more sensitive.

The first stage of learning game is learning how to read what is going on in any given social situation.

Some good tests:

Can you tell if a girl is married without seeing her rings?
How do you know if a girl is DTF just be looking at her?
Can you get all the info you need to know about a group without having to ask any questions?

These are a few of the many sleights of hand in game.

[neanderthal]

(10-25-2013 01:56 AM)soup Wrote:  

(10-24-2013 08:38 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(10-24-2013 03:03 AM)soup Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 07:52 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Im going to agree with Giovonny. After all this you approach 50 girls a week your game does suck and you're strictly playing a numbers game.

How long can you? I don't think your thread is serious at all because after a while you can tell what's up and read them and youre not retarded.

Are you saying that you don't believe he approaches 50 girls a week, or are you saying that he is wrong?

I'm saying that after you do that for a period of time you get good at it and know which girls are going to be receptive so you don't have to do 50 you need 5 to get the same job done.

This is good for beginners if they have anxiety but seasoned vets should move like the wind.

Example: Me and Lothario sitting at a table..

Two girls walk up to the bar. He wants to approach.

I watch...

I notice they just got off work and know the bartender, they're drinking shots..

Why approach now? They're not ready (in my eyes) they're getting primed and are an hour away from a "bounce" so to me..I'm not going to waste my time and ruin my chance for when they ARE ready to bounce (in my eyes) then I'll roll in.

He approached another who WAS ready and pulled her to his room..

The difference between a hack and a hunter my friends.

This god's eye view of the game is definitely one of the most valuable assets a player can have.

Most guys are straight up blind when it comes to social interactions.

For a lot of reasons, women are much more sensitive.

The first stage of learning game is learning how to read what is going on in any given social situation.

Some good tests:

Can you tell if a girl is married without seeing her rings?
How do you know if a girl is DTF just be looking at her?
Can you get all the info you need to know about a group without having to ask any questions?

These are a few of the many sleights of hand in game.

I love to ask myself..

1-I am I the man right now?

2- Do I feel like the man?

It' easy to know when you are receiving positive vibes from the girls around you. Just have to know where to look.

My recent one night stands chose me. I didn't even do much. We I was a newbie I had to work harder than a motherf*** just for 6.

[Giovonny]

(10-24-2013 02:31 PM)DVY Wrote:  

Gio is your game really improving, or are you getting better at choosing girls?

My game is improving.

I don't really "choose" girls. I just approach girls who are sexy to me. I don't really consider if they are "my type" or if they will like me.

If I like them, I approach them. Thats all I think about.

(10-24-2013 02:31 PM)DVY Wrote:  

Mind tricks perhaps.

Game is a mind trick.

Life is mind trick.

(10-24-2013 11:15 PM)Col. Tigh Wrote:  

lower your standards.

Yes.

I used to approach only 8s and 9s. I had to approach lots and lots of them in order to get one.

I realized that I should lower my standards a little.

Now, I approach a lot of 7s. This adjustment has helped my results a lot.

But, I still hone my skills on 8s and 9s, and occasionally pull one.

[MrXY]

(10-24-2013 08:38 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(10-24-2013 03:03 AM)soup Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 07:52 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Im going to agree with Giovonny. After all this you approach 50 girls a week your game does suck and you're strictly playing a numbers game.

How long can you? I don't think your thread is serious at all because after a while you can tell what's up and read them and youre not retarded.

Are you saying that you don't believe he approaches 50 girls a week, or are you saying that he is wrong?

I'm saying that after you do that for a period of time you get good at it and know which girls are going to be receptive so you don't have to do 50 you need 5 to get the same job done.

This is good for beginners if they have anxiety but seasoned vets should move like the wind.

Example: Me and Lothario sitting at a table..

Two girls walk up to the bar. He wants to approach.

I watch...

I notice they just got off work and know the bartender, they're drinking shots..

Why approach now? They're not ready (in my eyes) they're getting primed and are an hour away from a "bounce" so to me..I'm not going to waste my time and ruin my chance for when they ARE ready to bounce (in my eyes) then I'll roll in.

He approached another who WAS ready and pulled her to his room..

The difference between a hack and a hunter my friends.

Screening is a huge part of my game now. If I go out to cold approach,it's really unusual for me to have to do more than 5-6 approaches to get something substantial going. Pretty often it's on the first or second approach. Getting a SNL with the very first girl you approach is very doable-I've done it multiple times.

I realize there are personality and stylistic differences here, plus differences in the quality of girls that guys want to get, resulting in varied conversion rates. But still, the ability to screen with accuracy is a mark of a good player to me.

You should be able to walk into a venue and know with a few minutes of observation which girls are there for just a girls night out, which don't want to be approached, which are open to an approach and possibly gameable, which are there looking for dick. Your assessments will never be 100% correct but you can get very good at this. Knowing the right moment to approach and how to approach each girl is a refinement of this.

[Altair]

(10-24-2013 08:53 AM)Therapsid Wrote:  

Depends what level of girl you're going for.

Maybe Giovanny is going for the dimes of the world.

I'd love to live where he lives if it means getting in a volume of 50 approaches per week solely on 9s and 10s.

(10-24-2013 02:08 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

4 years ago, when I started day gaming on university campuses, I was 34 years old. It took me about 75 approaches to get a bang.

I was a newbie.

I only approached girls 18-21.

Recently, I got an 18yo after 30 approaches.

I am getting better by the day.

When I was a kid it was hard for me to understand that there'll always be a "numbers" aspect to the game regardless of how good you are. I had one guy with strong game say a close rate of anything beyond 10% is very good.

It wasn't until I hit the field that I realized that approach volume is a significant part of the game. It explained why so many guys with shit to sell and market misdirect you and refuse to answer when asked about batting averages

[eradicator]

(10-24-2013 08:53 AM)Therapsid Wrote:  

Depends what level of girl you're going for.

Maybe Giovanny is going for the dimes of the world.

If he's going for the hottest girls, girls some beta guy might say are "out of his league", even with tight game he may need 50 approaches.

I mean, he is going for attractive 19, 20 year olds, as a man in his mid 30's.

Late 30s. Gio, I am curious how much longer you can do university game. I know you take great care of yourself in the gym, diet, and sleep, I am guessing eventually you will do some variation of seeking arrangement game?

[XYZ]

guys that are screening hard are not doing sober street game which gio is doing (read his approaches in his approach thread). doing night game in a bar vs sober day game on the street is apples to oranges.

from my experience doing street game, you arent getting shit unless you do huge volume. if street game is only a supplement for you, sure, approach a couple times a week when the stars align. but if its your bread and butter, you will be doing large numbers, theres no way around it

i could be wrong and theres an easy way to screen that i havent thought of. the extent of screening on the street: walking pace (slower the better), girls that are sitting, girls that are looking around, eye contact

[Que enspastic]

it's all volume, doesn't matter whether street or night.

i work in an industry with 70% girls aged in 20s (commercial fashion) and probably 3/4 have a bf - EVEN THE FAT ONES!. you need to shoot from an M60 machine gun, not a sniper.

[MidniteSpecial]

Thanks for the motivation ! Nice post!

[horn]

1) Mood is key
2) Be the best dressed guy they see all day weekend week month

It's only a numbers game for some of us. shotgun approach vs Rifle-shot. I have a terrible rate with shotgun approach in NYC or LV and an awesome one with rifle-shot. JMHO.

Now, that could be because I've subconsciously pre-screened them into the 'open' v 'closed' ones just based on experience. But I'll talk to anyone.

[Aliblahba]

My last tear though an airport including talking to 3 chicks, which led to 2 numbers and 1 bang.

Girl 1 was model looking but I assumed she was with the famous guy next to her. I was in hangover mode and didn't see the signs. She was leaned in and playing with my hair, and I thought was going to kiss me. All day 9. She would have been in my top 3 for sure.

Girl 2 was old and ugly, but I was in blackout mode and didn't remember until she text a pic. My bad. A solid 5.

Girl 3 was a stewardess whom I caught off guard. She called a week later but I had to ask a friend what she looked like cause I was still in blackout mode. 8 all day long.

The 1st two were heading to Cali, and I suspected the hot one was a porn star. Porn starlett = herpes. The 3rd lives here. I'd have flown out to see the porn girl though.

I started approaching by numbers at 20, and after 6 months had a lot of it figured out so my numbers of approaches dropped drastically.

In an airport, for example, I start getting warmed up before getting in the pussy zone. This includes stopping on the way and talking to chicks at the gas station, drive though, ect. Then I step it up a notch to the chicks working the airline counter. Now I'm ready to hit the terminals/flights and strike with Carlos Hathcock accuracy. Note that the above mentioned aren't approaches, but playful interactions. It helps get me in the mood, because in the airport time is a huge factor. I do the same before hitting a club, and warm up on bartenders in a smaller bar while I get primed.

[Vaun]

Approaching just puts me in a good mood. It clears up any frustration or bullshit going on in my head. Its an aphrodisiac, its a depression killer, its a natural mood lifter. For this alone all men should do it, if they only knew. But I still suck at it too. I may go 50 approaches without even a next meet up, but approaching often makes me approachable and I just seem to be in more conversations with women since I started in June, regardless of who approached who. I didnt really start cold approaching often until I joined this board and read Roosh's books. It is a numbers game for me, but I cant predict a ratio. I had some quick success approaching on the streets of NYC, but I lean too much on Tinder now. I should delete Tinder and just focus on approaching. More often than not I am dissatisfied with what a girl actually looks like from what I expect from the Tinder profile. Approaching only is where its at.

[Aliblahba]

I think Gio trolled us.

(03-13-2012 02:16 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I love this concept, I agree with Ali 100%.

The times in my life when I was getting the most quality and quantity of p*ssy, I didn't have to approach. Let me repeat that....The times in my life when I was getting the most quality and quantity of p*ssy, I didn't have to approach.

For me, it was all about status and celebrity.

My name and picture was in the newspaper, they interviewed me on TV. I was recognized in the streets.

Girls would literally come up to me, smile, and hand me their number. It was like shooting fish in a barrel!

This was much easier then approaching girls and trying to convince them that I was "alpha". When you have social status and celebrity, you are "pre-selected" as an alpha. I you gotta do is not fuck it up!

Honestly, the best thing is to be on TV. I was on TV 3 or 4 times and each time I got like 10 groupies because of it. No bullshit..

This all the result of high school and college sports.

I mentioned this last year in this thread:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-6480.html

I'm seriously considering spending less time working on my "Game" and my time working on my "Fame". I'm starting to think that working on my game is mostly a waste of time.

I am already at a intermediate level where I know how to hold a conversation with a strange woman and present myself as higher value then her. At this point, I think I would get a better return on my investment if I increased my local celebrity.

How will I do this?

Well, Something along the lines of these posts..

http://www.rooshv.com/how-to-build-your-...upie-harem

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-2056-page-2.html (GringoEd's post)

And, maybe its time to read this one, just to get some ideas flowing...

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-2687.html

And, I need to start using social media to my advantage. I have the dvd copies of when I was on TV. That will be the first thing I put up on my Facebook when I open an account! That is sure to get the juices flowing for these little honeys!

As I'm getting older, I'm realizing that the only Game I want to run is "Don't Fuck It Up" Game

Fame > Game!

[soup]

Gio is right about fame, and I think everybody here should recognize that's the probably the highest game.

[Aliblahba]

I run pseudo-fame game, and cash in on it. Perception is reality and girls are shallow. Fame>money>game

[gandt]

(10-26-2013 12:19 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

I run pseudo-fame game, and cash in on it. Perception is reality and girls are shallow. Fame>money>game

Can you explain how you do this?

[gandt]

I think screening can be dangerous for some people because one can easily mistake complacency for "screening". But when done right it's totally valuable. I agree with everything said prior.