Chaos, in Colombia they joke that homeless people are the recycling service.
There is still trash everywhere, just not plastic or metal.
There is still trash everywhere, just not plastic or metal.
Quote: (08-20-2014 12:20 AM)Sonsowey Wrote:
Quote: (08-20-2014 12:04 PM)Sp5 Wrote:
Whether global warming is because of human carbon burning or not, I am all in favor of acting as if it is. It really does not make much difference with regard to policy.
1. Competition for petroleum sources causes wars, we need an alternative way of powering things;
2. Petroleum will become more costly and run out, see #1, we need alternatives;
3. If it is caused by burning carbon and the doomsayers are correct, things will be fucked.
Quote: (08-20-2014 12:04 PM)Sp5 Wrote:
Whether global warming is because of human carbon burning or not, I am all in favor of acting as if it is. It really does not make much difference with regard to policy.
1. Competition for petroleum sources causes wars, we need an alternative way of powering things;
2. Petroleum will become more costly and run out, see #1, we need alternatives;
3. If it is caused by burning carbon and the doomsayers are correct, things will be fucked.
Quote: (12-17-2013 01:46 PM)Kid Strangelove Wrote:
If global warming turns out to be a sham, then what do we have to show for it? Oh I know, a better environment that we try to take care of
Quote: (08-20-2014 03:45 PM)Aurini Wrote:
Quote: (12-17-2013 01:46 PM)Kid Strangelove Wrote:
If global warming turns out to be a sham, then what do we have to show for it? Oh I know, a better environment that we try to take care of
Not to sound all Dwight Shrute, but...
False. If Anthropic Global Warming caused by CO2 emissions turns out to be a chimera, then we will have spent billions of dollars doing precisely nothing. Meanwhile, very real environmental threats such as excess plastics in the oceans, birth control in the water supply (screwing up the mating rituals of tons of species, not just our own), the increase of rare-earth-metals and mining, possible over-use of industrial fertilizers, irresponsible GMO development, nuclear fallout, and oil spills will fall by the wayside. Our planet will be more messed up because we followed the apocalyptic visions of the IPCC.
I'm agnostic on AGW, leaning towards suspicious - the science never acknowledges the roles of the sun or cosmic radiation in cloud formation, and the process for funding the research seems innately biased. It's the academic equivalent of asking "How often do you beat your wife?" The structure is such that OF COURSE it winds up proving the privileged hypothesis correct.
Far more worrying, however, is that the proposed 'solutions' to Global Warming are obviously ineffectual to anybody who's studied basic economics. Like most socialist/SJW solutions, they actually harm what they're proposing to help, while providing a tidy income for a tiny number of elites who are in charge of the whole thing.
Ergo, I'm left with the political conclusion that - even if the IPCC is right about AGW (and even if they are, that's more attributable to blind luck than intelligence), I must take a stand against the Green movement, because the Green movement is ultimately responsible for destroying the environment.
In other words, to save the planet, we must first destroy the Green movement.